[08:55:17] LOL, spammers replying "this is by design" on bugs, speaks of the signal value of such an answer. :) http://code.google.com/p/gerrit/issues/detail?id=2458 [09:01:02] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/10.4.1.125 [09:01:18] bot be editin' while logged out 'n' stuff. [09:01:21] :P [09:05:41] legoktm: ^^ [09:12:13] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/10.4.1.126 too [09:20:38] hmm, so legobot and lowercase sigmabot III, respectively [09:20:50] my guess is something changed in the API [09:22:46] hmph [09:22:48] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:ANI#10.4.1.126 [09:26:23] slakr: without looking at the bug but it may be related // (mod) Random API issues - authenticated user seems unauthenticated randomly - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/62288 +comment (Ori Livneh) [09:27:00] I bet SineBot's immune... *snicker* [09:27:22] admittedly, only because it scrapes the page javascript to look for itself being logged in there [09:28:19] hmm, so legobot my guess is it's either an issue with assertedit or some sort of caching issue [09:29:34] possibly an issue with sessions [09:33:47] oh someone raises a good point about that GeoIP stuff getting added [09:52:33] oh nice [09:52:55] Glaisher: do you have issue authenticating ? [09:53:13] p858snake|l: thanks for the paste of https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/62288 :] [09:53:19] hashar: [09:53:20] no [09:53:24] we have a similar issue on labs since yesterday https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=62244 [09:53:24] why? [09:53:32] Glaisher: sorry wrong person :] [09:53:41] :) [10:04:39] re [10:31:29] does liquid threads support archival? [10:40:47] gry: no clue sorry [10:40:59] it's a charming system [10:41:08] flow's layout and design are failing a bit [10:41:10] maybe Flow will [10:41:11] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Flow [10:41:13] they should learn from it [10:41:15] :D [10:41:16] ya [10:41:21] it will in a few months [10:41:26] they are definitely open to suggestion [10:41:34] i dont know what effort is needed to kick their layout and design properly [10:41:36] i lack time [10:41:40] but i will try [10:41:49] iirc the Flow product management and designer did a bunch of tests with roughly a hundred user to gather ideas [10:42:10] ya [10:42:21] they do it a lot instead of thinking about backward compat a bit more [10:42:28] users won't like change [10:42:37] yup known issue :/ [10:42:39] and with this thing change isnt even necessary, just keep the signature where it was [10:42:49] not on a separate line [10:42:52] keep title on 1 line [10:43:03] you might fill bug for each suggestion and forget about them :] [10:43:08] not on 4 with authors subtitle, and another # of comments subtitle [10:43:13] the bug will not be forgotten for sure! [10:43:14] i think i did [10:43:26] ya they did wontfix a bug to disable flow on meta [10:43:28] about to [10:43:30] that happens [10:43:40] ah yeah that caused much drama [10:43:40] also set priority at leisure [10:43:46] community effort is still needed [10:43:51] they dont fund it [10:43:53] as I understand it it was only enable on a few pages so we can test it in a production environement [10:43:58] no funding for community work on extensions [10:44:01] only via gsoc [10:44:06] this means community has to mentor [10:44:20] heck it has enough mentors for all wonderful things community'd like [10:44:31] yes i understand similarly [10:44:47] (and no, it doesn't have that many mentors) [10:45:55] I am not sure whether the wmf has any opening / contract work for flow currently [10:46:07] gry: archival in what sense? I made a tracking bug [10:46:47] I can imagine on busy articles one would want to move the oldest threads [10:46:47] but maybe Flow would simply paginate them by age [10:47:06] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24815 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29711 [10:47:35] gry: here are the two main bugs; I told Flow folks about them about a year ago [10:47:47] And this ends my contribution to this discussion, I don't touch Flow [10:48:47] :-/ [10:48:50] cant dearchive? what? [10:48:56] anyone should e able to do that [10:49:04] I dont understand the resistance toward Flow [10:49:09] talk refactoring is a gooooooood idea [10:49:17] see : paid amendment talk page [10:49:20] they keep refactoring [10:49:32] i dont resist it [10:49:35] i like it [10:49:43] i just resist some parts which are implemented stupidly [10:49:57] ie design, layout, social crap around title [10:50:14] i know it has a potential to flow other things than talk page [10:50:17] i appreciate that [10:57:17] Nemo_bis: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=runnamed&list_id=283266&namedcmd=gry%3A%3Amw%3A%3Ae [10:57:26] fwiw i filed couple new ones just now [10:57:44] i should poke around and fix some [10:57:50] at least layout / design related [10:59:11] Does that URL contain flow stuff? [11:00:33] it does [11:34:54] Hi everyone, my bot is having random problems in the logging process since yesterday (sometimes it logs, sometimes not, even in the same minute), is this a known problem? [12:21:42] jem-: logging process as in Special:log ? of what action? [12:49:21] Nemo_bis: I mean login = identification process with the API [12:50:01] Well, it hasn't happened again since 9:30 UTC [12:50:21] I'll keep an eye anyway [12:51:16] Ah. [16:49:35] * Nemo_bis loves andre__ 's links to bugzilla bugs [16:50:46] Nemo_bis, huh? What did I do wrong this time? :P [16:51:46] andre__: nothing, you always seem to be able to take a bugzilla trick out of your hat, be it a magic hack or a related discussion someone has already had before us [16:52:01] hmm. I take that as a compliment, I think :P [16:52:26] well. I'm convinced that most problems we face have also been experienced by others already. [16:52:38] so why rediscuss all problem arguments again. :) [17:36:14] It definitely was a compliment [18:22:21] Reedy: on terbium/fenari, what's the absolute path to https://noc.wikimedia.org/~reedy/ and can all users have such a public dir? [18:23:02] Nemo_bis: Fenariy [18:23:06] $HOME/public_html [18:23:08] Nemo_bis: that's still fenari and the [18:23:09] * Fenari, ofc [18:23:17] that [18:23:37] ok, the obvious thing then :) [18:23:50] mutante: would you push the button on https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/113972/ ? [18:24:26] mutante: gotta run, poke aude or thiemo if you have questions [18:24:34] mutante: I know that's still fenari, but it will be migrated to terbium right? [18:25:06] DanielK_WMDE: no sorry, wrong person, i'll forward it though [18:25:42] Nemo_bis: yes, RT 6862 [18:25:49] i can never keep track of who is doing what now :P [18:26:00] can we go back to just 3 people running everything? [18:26:13] if in doubt the person listed as being on duty will triage things [18:26:29] so you don't have to remember:) [18:26:30] mutante: First of all terbium needs moar space :P I almost filled its HDD today... [18:27:08] solution: remove hoo's access [18:27:15] DanielK_WMDE: if in doubt, the one listed in -operations channel topic [18:27:25] hoo: great, ticket? [18:27:37] Nemo_bis: Already removed my files :P [18:27:46] hoo@terbium:~$ df -h . [18:27:46] Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on [18:27:46] /dev/mapper/terbium-root 37G 34G 1.1G 97% / [18:27:54] don't think we have an rt for that yet [18:33:42] hoo: do you know anything that can be deleted? [18:34:17] mutante: /tmp has a lot of jpg in it, but despite of that, no [18:34:40] delete all big files in my home already [18:34:50] * deleted [18:36:14] hoo: even 97% still means over 1 GB left though. do you think this needs immediate action? [18:36:35] looks for obvious logrotate issue really quick though [18:37:11] mutante: Not really... it just makes it impossible to use it for eg. large file uploads... I can do those from another host through [18:37:42] just wanted to note that I brought that thing very close to being completely filed only by rsyncing a few hundred mb onto it [18:37:54] hoo: can use bastion for that? [18:38:04] file uploads [18:38:15] mutante: No, needs to be a host with a mediawiki installation [18:38:19] i see [18:38:34] I load these files on a bastion and rsync them to either terbium or tin [18:38:36] hoo: i hate to say it, but for right now... fenari? [18:38:46] i remember it used to be mediawiki install [18:38:57] it has, but that was stale at some point [18:39:21] tin can also do that, so I'll just use tin for now... it should have enough disk [18:43:25] !technews [18:43:39] wm-bot: asleep again? [18:51:17] Hm, wait, does fenari's MediaWiki install include extensions? [18:55:16] MatmaRex: I'm afraid Tech News is rather empty at this point [18:55:37] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tech/News/2014/11 specifically [18:56:43] odder: well, one patch of mine that could be put there was just reverted [18:57:22] sorry to hear that [18:57:49] (I filter out the bots in this channel, so I don't know which one you mean) [18:59:26] doesnt see any bots saying stuff here , hehe [19:01:35] I don't think this channel has any bots that auto message (like #mediawiki or #wikimedia-dev) [19:01:44] I filter icinga-wm and wikibugs [19:02:10] and apparently they are no longer in this channel, yupi [19:02:39] there was endless discussion about where the bots are and where they are not [19:02:44] Why is not activated https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgFilterLogTypes for sh wikipedia? [19:02:53] * Nemo_bis discovered edit.php [19:02:56] not getting into that, but yea:) not here [19:05:46] TL;DR: they were moved to -operations so that Gloria could grow her court of tech assistance here; but the court never joined and everyone went to -operations to chat with the btos [19:28:29] Kolega2357, what was it you wanted again? [19:35:01] Why is not activated https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgFilterLogTypes for sh wikipedia? [19:39:09] I can't wait for Germinal to begin! [19:57:37] is it possible to number figures in an article and/or in a 'book' (eg figure 1.1, 1.2 for chapter 1; figures 2.1, 2.2, 2.3 for chapter 2)? [20:33:28] where are magnustools and glamtools :o http://tools.wmflabs.org/ [20:39:18] bd808|LUNCH: can I haz l10n rebuild? see bottom of https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-betafeatures [20:40:06] mh [20:40:10] he's away [20:40:19] I could start it, but I'm not sure it's functional right now [20:40:22] nothing's on fire [20:40:36] and so I don't want to set things on fire ;) [20:40:44] he changed something about it IIRC; better let him finish the job he started rather than mess with his plans :) [20:41:09] it was also broken on beta by another bug this week, hmpf [20:59:57] Or maybe it's the same bug and needs the same fix (i.e. manual run with some live hacks) https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=62262 [21:01:32] Nemo_bis: Grr.. I thought I'd fix that problem