[00:06:01] prtksxna: Do you know who's deploying the popups thing next week? [00:06:23] Hey greg-g o/ [00:06:34] hola! [00:06:36] Hey rdwrer o/ [00:06:57] Whudduuuuup [00:07:23] rdwrer: On a call with quiddity :) [00:07:27] Oh, 'kay [00:07:34] We can get an answer after that too [00:07:54] * rdwrer easily frustrated with loose ends... :P [00:09:13] rdwrer: I am working on the dev for Popups, what do you mean who is deploying it? [00:10:32] prtksxna: who is 1) writing the config change to enable it and 2) deploying that config change [00:11:01] And pushing things through the deploy review, presumably [00:11:52] greg-g rdwrer: I don't know :( I just raised https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=61167 [00:12:57] prtksxna: Is it on betalabs already? [00:13:33] prtksxna: yeah, so, that won't be going out next week if it hasn't been reviewed yet [00:14:09] It's on beta. That's a start. [00:14:27] rdwrer: Yes, it it. [00:14:43] greg-g: Whom should I ask to review it? [00:14:53] s/it/is [00:15:15] commented on bug [00:15:26] summary, you need: [00:15:26] Archeticecture/Performance Review: no [00:15:26] Security Review: no [00:16:09] The two most busy sets of people re: review... [00:16:13] yep [00:16:32] ori/tim/aaron/chad for arch [00:16:36] chris for security [00:16:45] chris is booked for the next month :/ [00:17:14] prtksxna: please open two other tickets, one for each review, and make the blockers of that one, cc those names I just listed [00:17:34] I think yuvi opened a bug for the security review of popups [00:17:38] ah [00:17:42] * prtksxna checks [00:17:56] * rdwrer has ambushed Jared, greg-g [00:18:04] :) [00:18:27] is chris really the only guy who can do security review? [00:18:40] Hyuuuup [00:19:01] Well, of course other people can do it to some extent... [00:19:08] MatmaRex: Tim or Timo also [00:19:16] there's way less security things to verify in JS than in PHP too [00:19:24] fewer [00:19:31] :) [00:19:36] i consider bugs uncountable :P [00:19:44] In MediaWiki, sure [00:19:44] touche [00:19:49] I can't seem to find the security bug [00:20:06] but yeah Tim is less available than chris, and I have no say over Timo's time yet ;) [00:20:10] Tim does backend security, I do mostlyy frontend, but I've done a fair amount of backend security review (as well as fixing) [00:20:58] isn't the entire extension like 300 lines of code anyway? [00:21:24] There is an extension? [00:21:43] !e Popups [00:21:48] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=61167 [00:21:51] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Popups [00:21:54] grr [00:21:57] * rdwrer is a good bot. [00:22:52] I'd check with community support soon though. Don't put too much effort into it if they think it's not good enough or if they want somethign closer to the popups extension [00:23:02] gadget* [00:23:19] Krinkle: Dan and Maryana are on it [00:23:27] or maybe don't want it all. I mean.. popups is still not enabled by default either, even though we have the ability to do that with gadgets [00:24:29] this is considerably unlike popups, more lightweight [00:24:30] though that's a special case, because popups gadgets code is a mess last I checked, for technical reasons we won't want that enabled by default, so maybe they want it but would in fact prefer this extension. That'd be a good position to be in. [00:24:36] (or at least was last time i looked) [00:27:12] I need to reorganize the code for Popups, its turning into a mess of semi-documented functions :\ [00:27:21] greg-g: I'll add those issues in a bit, thanks :) [00:30:37] MatmaRex: Yes, 450 [10:03:49] greg-g: I've added the blocking bugs! [10:33:42] bd808|BUFFER: we don't seem to have a project page for the Wikimania scholarships application on TWN, where should I place stuff? [10:37:31] aww no brion [10:37:47] well I'll just hijack his page since he's not on IRC; sounds legit [10:38:14] bawolff: this is a public channel so it's valid, no? I gave a 4 min deprecation notice in a public venue [10:38:55] lol, anyone who didn't see its their own fault :) [10:46:53] bd808|BUFFER, ^demon|away, brion, https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Translating%3AWikimediaMobile&diff=5334201&oldid=4381891 [10:47:50] wow some apps in there i don't even remember :D [10:58:41] :) [11:07:49] greg-g: fyi http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Thread:Support/Request_to_add_project:_Pump.io [11:08:59] last commit was 8 days ago and it failed the tests [11:13:59] brion: WSA is not an "app" in that sense, but I see no great benefit in having one project page for each repo supported in Wikimedia namespace [11:24:52] It mostly depends on whether you like the SemanticMediaWiki organisation or you prefer to just skim a talk page. In the latter case the talk needs to be clean. [11:27:30] ori: I'm quite unsure what Evan is up to; it would be nice to have him again in our "field", Wikimedia/MediaWiki stuff [13:03:01] Hi. I just wanted to import a page from enwiki to simplewiki and received an error... Import failed: A database error has occurred. Did you forget to run maintenance/update.php after upgrading? See: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading#Run_the_update_script Query: INSERT IGNORE INTO `globalimagelinks` (gil_wiki,gil_page,gil_page_namespace_id,gil_page_namespace,gil_page_title,gil_to) VALUES ... [13:08:59] nvm, tried it the easy way and worked now. [13:46:25] Nemo_bis: What info do you need for Winkimania Scholarships at translatewiki? [13:46:36] Winky-mania! [13:46:47] ;-) [13:46:59] Typing is hard before 7am :/ [13:47:06] Winky-Odder :D:O [13:50:25] bd808: mainly, whether you want to follow the issues reported by translators over there [13:50:42] i.e. if you keep maintaining the app or not [13:50:56] Ah. I suppose I should. I don't know who else will at this point. :) [13:51:19] But it's going to be dormant for another year… is there some way to mark that? [13:51:48] Meaning that new translations at this point would be a waste of the translator's time [13:51:58] Until the 2015 cycle [13:52:53] bd808: yes, you can submit a patch to get the translation disabled, in translatewiki repo [13:54:56] Nemo_bis: Cool. I'll try to get that done soon. And I'll update the translatewiki with a product page. I think putting it under mobile is potentially confusing. [13:55:19] It does have "App" in the name but it [13:55:41] … but it's not a mobile app [13:56:03] sure [15:18:55] valhallasw: can you also make a bugzilla bug uploader please? :) [15:20:42] Nemo_bis: patch uploader you mean? Already exists =) [15:20:53] https://tools.wmflabs.org/gerrit-patch-uploader/bugzilla/fromurl [15:21:03] fill in the bugzilla URL and it'll fetch the patch [15:22:15] valhallasw: do you have amnesy? I know the patch uploader exists :P I sometimes fancy a similar tool for bugzilla [15:22:45] Nemo_bis: I know, I thought you meant a tool to upload patches uploaded to bugzilla to gerrit :p [15:22:45] i.e. a way to drop stuff to bugzilla while staying out of its reach, that seems the root of the idea [15:22:48] I see [15:22:54] Yeah, that should be possible. [15:23:05] I mean, other than filing a bug on JIRA and asking you to migrate it :P [15:23:27] :-) [15:24:20] It should be possible, but I think it makes more sense to get centralauth working on BZ [15:27:45] booooring [15:28:06] I suppose I'll consider making throwaway bugzilla account [15:47:19] Nemo_bis: it's not clear to me what your goal is -- hiding your mail address or not receiving bugmail? [15:48:48] dunno, not so important [15:49:44] Nemo_bis: awesome :) [15:50:25] <^d> valhallasw: I've been trying to avoid bugmail for years. [15:50:28] <^d> Somehow it still finds me! [15:50:39] Nemo_bis: oh, after reading, nevermind :/ [15:50:54] Nemo_bis: (re pump on translatewiki) [15:52:35] <^d> I also avoid meetings, but I've been rather bad at that this week. [15:52:43] <^d> 8 meetings this week! What am I doing wrong? [15:54:41] ^d: learn the NEIN NEIN NEIN strategy! [17:32:38] Silly me, I created an Oracle account hoping to be able to improve docs at https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads (for vagrant) but it's a trac wiki *and* I can't edit anything [17:40:37] were you really expecting oracle to allow you to edit anything [17:48:48] After a certain amount of approval steps, yes. [17:50:05] But mostly automatic self-correction from "Let's go complain about this horrible page in an issue tracker" to "{{sofixit}}" given the wiki/ part of the URL [17:57:34] Is Wikipedia down? [17:57:58] Anup: I can reach it. Tell us more about what you are seeing [17:58:23] Anup: works for me as well, please tell us more! You worry me! :) [17:58:39] Anup: where physically are you? did you just start seeing this problem? [17:58:40] I can access every site but not wikipedia. [17:58:44] since last 5mins. [17:58:54] Anup: what error do you get when you try? [17:59:13] grr I hate VirtualBox on fedora, why did I even try [17:59:16] on chrome, this website is not available. [17:59:40] Anup: where are you located, physically? which country? [17:59:41] firefox, can not reach wikipedia. [17:59:50] New Delhi, India [18:00:02] (should be hitting esams then) [18:00:11] Neither any wikimedia project site... [18:00:12] what operating system are you using? [18:00:18] Windows 8.1 [18:00:27] It is only since 5 min. [18:00:31] someone: what's the traceroute command on windows? :) [18:00:32] it was okay earlier. [18:00:46] tracert [18:00:56] http://www.mediacollege.com/internet/troubleshooter/traceroute.html [18:01:19] Anup: can you run that command "tracert wikipedia.org" [18:01:32] Yeah! [18:01:35] just a min, [18:01:55] general failure [18:02:17] trace complete. [18:03:10] general failure? as in more than just wikipedia now? [18:03:34] It is just wikipedia.. [18:03:55] working for google/facebook [18:04:40] its only not working for me? right? [18:07:18] Anup: according to http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/en.wikipedia.org it is just you :) [18:07:27] Anup: can you pastebine the entire log of your tracert? [18:07:28] Anup: but maybe there are other people in New Delhi also having trouble [18:07:32] it could be your carrier/ISP [18:07:38] !pastebin [18:07:41] huh [18:07:54] http://p.defau.lt/new.html [18:08:33] I've encountered the same problem earlier sometime... [18:08:50] also, feel free to just PM it to me if you dont' want to expose your IP [18:09:36] I have a meeting in a little bit, so the sooner the full tracert log the better :) [18:11:47] Anup: are you pasting the tracert log somewhere? [18:13:57] annnnd gone [18:14:33] Tip for others following along: we've had ISP/carrier specific issues that are best diagnosed with tracert info, so without that, we're kind of unable to do anything on our end. [18:15:41] (though most times, those issues are resolved by the user emailing/calling their ISP with pointed info about their routing rules) [18:16:51] paravoid: it seems you have your second user complaining ^^^ [18:17:31] the failing Vodafone router/whatever for the Gujarat region was also around New Delhi IIRC [18:17:34] different complain though [18:17:39] http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/ is giving me 403 [18:18:39] BlastHardcheese: that's odd, http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/ works [18:18:45] (different list) [18:19:23] it worked yesterday, and I noticed the URIs changed, which I assumed was probably from upgrading mailman or something [18:19:59] no, archives rebuild [18:20:25] a troll/idiot posted their home address to the list and then apparently complain [18:21:08] Nemo_bis: so the other interesting thing is, India has some crazy govertmental surveillance system [18:21:10] we still have to figure out a non-catastrophic way to remove that line from the archives so I guess they've temporarily restricted access to the directory? [18:21:26] I have no way of knowing if they're actually intercepting communications and failing [18:21:32] it could explain isolated incidents [18:21:36] paravoid: true that, it's hard to figure such issues out with no local help :( [18:22:01] we need some telepathy system to efficiently extract traceroutes from complainers [18:22:47] Nemo_bis: that. [18:24:18] wm-bot: if you manage to do that ^^^ I'll finally get some esteem of you [20:13:08] anyone know Extension:Translate here? [20:13:22] I just marked this page for translation: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising/Translation/Ways_to_Give_new [20:13:43] but when I click to translate it tells me "The indicated group does not exist. Select a different message group." [20:14:00] any ideas how to fix? [20:16:26] I'm here [20:17:15] the-wub: what made you think that a $ is acceptable? [20:17:59] Because if something did we need to fix docs [20:18:02] oh, is it not? [20:18:11] not even the U was till few days ago [20:18:14] sorry, will remove those [20:18:27] only lowercase letters and hyphens are really safe in all versions [20:18:58] ok, if you insist :) let me know if it works (and do file a bug about the group disappearing in the space void when you're done) [20:23:09] thanks a lot Nemo_bis, it's working now :) [20:32:49] good to know