[00:17:48] Krinkle: all done with lightning deployment [00:18:05] thx [01:30:20] A database query error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. [01:30:20] Function: IndexPager::buildQueryInfo (contributions page filtered for namespace or RevisionDeleted edits) [01:33:33] on https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?limit=50&tagfilter=&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Citation+bot&namespace=3&tagfilter=&year=2014&month=-1 [01:37:13] MrZ-man: WFM. Do you still have the issue? [01:37:58] no, not now [07:03:42] Can someone (preferably from ops) tell Deryck what traceroute command output to attach to https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60283#c7 please? [07:14:38] Nemo_bis: no one has asked for traceroutes yet, Reedy suggested speedtest which is what hes done [07:15:00] as afar as traceroutes, anything from a connection that appears to be suffering should be fine [07:21:39] I know nobody asked, hence I'd like someone to. ^^ Unless ops already know where the culprit is, of course. [09:19:47] I just stumbled accross this slideset: http://www.lugod.org/presentations/Wikimedia_Infrastructure_Utrecht_LUG_2011.pdf [09:20:05] is there a more actual one and maybe a really old one for comparisson? [09:25:30] [[wikitech:Presentations]] should probably tell you [09:32:56] thx [09:34:09] Eloquence: Is it possible to get your slides from fosdem? [09:42:28] lbenedix: might be on commons [09:43:00] hmm no :( https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AListFiles&user=Eloquence&ilshowall=1 [10:00:02] They're no Github. Sorta. [10:00:47] https://gist.github.com/eloquence/8750334 just links & pointers [10:00:49] lbenedix|afk: ^ [10:01:00] thx [10:01:37] twkozlowski, "just" :) [10:02:06] the slides had some screenshots but that's about it [10:02:29] I don't tend to pack lots of textual content into slides. if I just want people to look at text on a screen, why come in person? ;-) [10:03:37] good point [10:04:15] thx for collecting this links! [10:05:36] np :) hopefully video should be up soon as well [10:06:15] I doubt it's anything you've not heard/read before, it was more targeted at folks fairly new to our world [10:07:18] I've seen most of the pages, but having the links in one place is nice [10:07:46] our documentation is all over the place, so I figured pulling the stuff that's actually hard to find (like the labs manual) would be handy [10:07:58] wikitech:Nova Resource:Tool Labs/Help or whatever :) [10:09:33] one short question before I'm really afk: is Tampa still the single point of failure (primary datacenter), or is there a complete replication running in Virginia? [10:09:58] tampa hasn't been primary for a while [10:10:05] But it is a failure, yes. [10:10:20] ashburn virginia is primary for most about everything, with some small bits (bugzilla) and some larger ones (labs) still needing to be migrated to EQIAD [10:10:35] We felt that a few weeks ago :-( [10:10:36] plus we're picking a new secondary, since tampa doesn't have enough headroom to be a full failover [10:11:16] sorry, EQIAD=Equinix IAD (airport code for Washington/Dulles) =Ashburn [10:11:19] :) [10:11:23] https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/RFP/2013_Datacenter ? [10:11:35] that is the one [11:19:18] what is the size of the ops-team, employed by wmf and volunteers? [11:22:39] and how much money is spent on running the servers? Is it the "Operations"-Line in the Foundations annual plan? [11:30:35] lbenedix: better ask when people in San Francisco are actually awake :) [11:30:58] * lbenedix is sleeping when people in SF are awake [11:31:06] ;) [11:31:16] the try to stay awake after 7pm ;) [11:31:47] i suppose the "operations" item includes hardware and staff, but i really don't know how that stuf is itemized. [11:38:52] I think it includes staff... older plans have "internet hosting" as a separate point [11:39:18] wich ~2mio US$ [11:39:23] with [11:57:37] lbenedix: there's a thread on wikimedia-l with some estimates, including one by Erik M. [15:01:21] Is it possible to merge two bugzilla accounts? [15:04:54] lfaraone: I'm pretty sure it isn't, at least not without a great deal of playing under the bonnet. But Andre is the one who could tell you for sure. [15:05:00] lfaraone: yes it is, if you file a ticket in Bugzilla and comment from both accounts on it [15:05:03] (and which one to kkep) [15:05:06] Ah, see? That's why I said Andre was the right one to ask. He actually /knows/ this. :-) [15:05:35] heh. It's one of the few questions I don't google. :P [15:07:53] andre__: i would like to merge three please. same process? [15:08:03] yes [15:08:52] andre__: thanks! https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60901 [15:09:04] might take a few days, but we'll do that at some point :) [15:54:30] got faidon? [15:54:36] yes [15:54:44] got static IP? [16:14:29] legoktm: ty [16:16:39] hah, "got faidon"? /me points to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Got_Milk%3F [17:54:48] can someone explain this short drop in requests/s at 6:30? https://gdash.wikimedia.org/dashboards/reqsum/ [18:03:21] lbenedix1: nothing obvious here; https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Server_admin_log [18:04:33] any idea? its a drop > 50% [18:29:09] lbenedix1: a glitch in the loggers? :) [18:30:37] yeah, probably a glitch somewhere 'unimportant' [18:31:02] lbenedix1: any other graphs show a similar drop? you'd think a drop in requests like that would also show up in eg: bandwidth usage [18:31:08] if real [18:44:50] anyone out there to help with putty? [18:45:16] I keep getting "server refused our key" when trying to connect to my toolserver account [18:46:06] Superyetkin: This channel is not about the toolserver, but about Wikimedia production. You might have more luck in #wikimedia-toolserver [18:46:27] ok, thanks [18:48:35] I need second opinions on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Chess#Pgnviewer_demo based on how (in?)efficient the scripting is, and whether it would be feasible to implement something like this on EnWiki [18:48:41] Can anyone help, please? [18:51:13] tos: Try pinging some users active who are active with JS on enwiki... maybe TheDJ likes to help out [18:51:39] hoo: I will, thanks. Do you know others? [18:53:18] tos: maybe User:Edokter or User:Happy-melon not sure whether they are active/ interested, but asking them should be fine [18:53:53] Thanks a lot. I'll ask all three. If you have other suggestions, I'll be happy to take them [18:55:08] tos: Probably smarter to have that in an extension than in site JS, for various reasons... but I don't really have time to help out [18:55:45] hoo: How much more time would making it an extension be? [18:58:24] tos: That highly depends on a couple of factors one of them being how much experience you have with creating MediaWiki extensions. If you want to do that, I can maybe help out a little with code review... [19:57:54] greg-g: no, nothing obvious in https://ganglia.wikimedia.org/latest/?r=custom&cs=02%2F05%2F2014+06%3A00+&ce=02%2F05%2F2014+07%3A00+&s=by+name&c=&tab=m&vn=&hide-hf=false [20:05:37] Quick question: Is it possible that this edit (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gray_matter_heterotopia&curid=4527356&diff=594092327&oldid=572431742) is related to this Visual Editor bug report (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59653)? [20:08:54] Excirial: That's almost certainly related yees [20:09:57] RoanKattouw - Since that bug was marked as Highest Major importance, should bug 60375 be upped to this priority as well? (Seems someone spotted this before me and reported it) [20:10:53] Excirial: Yes it should, I'll do that [20:11:00] In fact, it may or may not be the same bug [20:11:19] It's mentioned on bug 60897 as possibly being related [20:34:03] andre__: bugzilla.wiki/p/edia.org? [20:34:31] you're plastering a big green banner to tell us a redirect will not work? :-) [20:34:53] bleh. [20:35:09] damn copy&paste failure from last time's failure. :P [20:35:24] and that one was copied from where? :-P [20:35:57] 1974 was the last Bugzilla maintenance downtime. I still have that wiki hear on a printout. ;) [20:36:08] twkozlowski, fixed, thanks for noticing [20:36:29] sure [20:36:52] also a space between the hour and UTC might be nice [20:37:02] twkozlowski: from https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Malyacko/Bugzilla42Upgrade , for the records. Though that page is pretty untidy [21:02:18] is there a more actual version of this: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia-servers-2010-12-28.svg [21:04:52] there's one from 2012 or so somewhere I think [21:04:58] not sure we have a really current one [21:06:41] do you have a link for the 2012 version? [21:07:24] not offhand [21:08:43] lbenedix1: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Server_Architecture_%28simplified%29.svg best I could find now [21:56:22] RFC review meeting in 5 min in #wikimedia-meetbot - propose RFCs to review on https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Architecture_meetings/RFC_review_2014-02-05 [22:03:31] manybubbles1: hey, wanna join #wikimedia-meetbot and talk about TitleValue work done since the summit? [22:03:53] sumanah: about to meet my family for dinner. [22:04:10] ah got it [22:04:13] sorry [23:55:47] kaldari, jdlrobson (I'm can't find another channel that you're both in!) This thread might be for you, as I assume it related to the r111109 (watchlist star) deploy today: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28miscellaneous%29#Animated_icons [23:57:09] quiddity: Huh. Hasn't it been animated for the past few years? [23:57:49] kaldari, I thought so too, but I assume if they only just noticed it, then perhaps their browser/OS setup had somehow prevented that, until your fix? idk... [23:59:28] weird