[01:47:42] <Wilfredor>	 wikimedia projects are down or is  my ISP?
[01:49:10] <Reedy>	 Probably your ISP
[01:49:12] <Reedy>	 Where are you?
[01:49:27] <Wilfredor>	 Venezuela
[01:49:41] <Wilfredor>	 I cant load any page of Wikimedia project
[01:49:49] <Wilfredor>	 no 404 or whatever error
[01:49:54] <Wilfredor>	 *not
[01:50:06] <Wilfredor>	 simply is not loading
[01:50:10] <Wilfredor>	 not commons or wp
[11:46:43] <Zhaofeng_Li>	 Since helpmebot is down for some time, can we bring wm-bot to #wikipedia-en-help?
[11:51:33] <yuvipanda>	 Zhaofeng_Li: ask petan|wk
[11:52:09] <mutante>	 Zhaofeng_Li: bot maintainers can usually be found on -labs channel 
[11:52:18] <mutante>	 (if they run in labs)
[11:52:39] <Zhaofeng_Li>	 mutante, yuvipanda: Okay, thanks!
[12:00:30] <mutante>	 Zhaofeng_Li: eh, yeah, it's already on the channel and the control channel is #wm-bot
[12:00:35] <mutante>	 for completeness here https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WM-Bot#Getting_bot_to_the_channel
[12:01:00] <Zhaofeng_Li>	 mutante, thanks. Anyway we can enable @link?
[12:01:36] <mutante>	 i'm not sure yet, does it not let you use that command?
[12:01:56] <mutante>	 if it's a permission thing in the bot itself, i'd have to ask petan|wk as well
[12:02:02] <mutante>	 unless we can find it in docs
[12:02:04] <Zhaofeng_Li>	 It doesn't respond me.
[12:02:15] <Zhaofeng_Li>	 "@link: Turns the last line of wikilinks in the channel to actual links using the default wiki specified in the default-link-wiki parameter of @configure."
[12:02:34] <Zhaofeng_Li>	 But @configure requires admin rights.
[12:02:36] <mutante>	 maybe you need to be added to trused admins or something
[12:02:51] <mutante>	 there was a @trusted command
[12:03:25] <mutante>	 eh, did you try any @configure for your channel yet?
[12:03:32] <mutante>	 sounds like it just joined but needs channel config then
[12:03:42] <Zhaofeng_Li>	 Looks so.
[12:04:13] <Zhaofeng_Li>	 It joined long ago, I think
[12:04:33] <mutante>	 odd, yea, i did not make it join, it was there
[12:05:22] <Zhaofeng_Li>	 Why didn't the person that made it join also configure it properly?
[12:06:25] <mutante>	 good question!
[12:06:45] <Zhaofeng_Li>	 *sigh*
[12:08:37] <mutante>	 Zhaofeng_Li: i'll take a look at config command, if i fail to find it soon petan will know for sure
[12:08:58] <Zhaofeng_Li>	 mutante, thanks for helping!
[15:52:30] <InfoAbourIrc>	 Here info of irc http://p.pw/DLV
[15:57:29] <hashar>	 don't click it
[18:41:47] <chrismcmahon>	 Reedy: do those errors for Math mean anything to you?  https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60486
[18:42:52] <Reedy>	 It sort of looks like someone has either removed the dependancies... Or upgraded the files
[18:43:05] <Reedy>	 I can't see a minor upgrade bringing new dependencies tohugh
[18:51:13] <chrismcmahon>	 Reedy:  should we assign that to Math instead?  I'm not even sure who to ask.
[18:52:09] <Reedy>	 I guess it might be worth checking in as to whether dependancies have indeed changed
[18:52:45] <chrismcmahon>	 done
[19:03:17] <chrismcmahon>	 Reedy:  guessing this is the culprit:  https://git.wikimedia.org/commit/mediawiki%2Fextensions%2FMath/6a0af8f3b4ea985c8dca1a1d5fa78e9d3cf1210c
[19:06:39] <Reedy>	 Ugh
[19:06:45] <Reedy>	 More things to potentially compile
[19:07:47] <chrismcmahon>	 greg-g: note a potential risk to deployment, update to Math extension needs support ^^
[19:08:15] <greg-g>	 Reedy: you on it, I presume?
[19:08:27] <Reedy>	 I'm just looking at it
[19:09:30] <chrismcmahon>	 greg-g: I just reported it yesterday, today I'm making noise about it.  People get annoyed when Math doesn't work. 
[19:10:21] <Reedy>	 Hmm
[19:10:31] <Reedy>	 It seems to build straight off on tin
[19:10:37] <Reedy>	 Let me commit and update
[19:16:39] <Reedy>	 greg-g: chrismcmahon: http://en.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/User:Reedy/Math
[19:16:44] <Reedy>	 Fixed it seems for beta
[19:17:32] <greg-g>	 cool
[19:18:19] <Reedy>	 Now just need to deploy texvccheck to all the apaches
[19:18:23] <chrismcmahon>	 thanks Reedy, does prod need whatever that was? 
[19:18:27] <Reedy>	 Yup
[19:18:28] <Reedy>	 That can wait till a bit later
[19:18:34] <chrismcmahon>	 yay beta labs then
[20:54:33] <skalman12>	 hi! are gadgets supposed to load before MediaWiki:Common.js?
[20:58:45] <skalman12>	 is that something you should specify as a dependency? how would you do that?
[20:59:17] <Reedy>	 Depending on Common.js doesn't sound like a good thing to be doing
[21:01:36] <skalman12>	 what's your suggestion? where should I put the required function?
[21:02:13] <skalman12>	 the function should be present for all users
[21:09:48] <skalman12>	 since it's not *absolutely* crucial an alternative would be to put it in its own by-default-enabled gadget, and listing that gadget as a dependency.. but it feels stupid to put something that shouldn't be disabled in a gadget
[21:14:36] <skalman12>	 another alternative would be to do something like:
[21:14:41] <skalman12>	  window.onCommonLoaded = window.onCommonLoaded || []; onCommonLoaded.push(function () { .... });
[21:14:49] <skalman12>	 and then in Common.js run whatever is in that array.. but this feel awefully hacky
[21:27:29] <skalman12>	 Reedy: basically you're saying that I shouldn't expect Common.js to be loaded and should hack my way around it?
[21:28:53] <Reedy>	 You'd really need to ask someone who actually does javascript
[21:30:16] <Reedy>	 Though, the dependancy would look to be 'site'
[21:32:16] <skalman12>	 Reedy: Is there a dependency called 'site'?
[21:32:51] <Reedy>	 'site' => array( 'class' => 'ResourceLoaderSiteModule' ),
[21:35:11] <skalman12>	 ok, I'll try
[21:37:32] <skalman12>	 this does not seem to work
[21:40:46] <twkozlowski>	 I'm having trouble getting {{#formatnum:}} to work; I might be doing something wrong.
[21:40:46] <skalman12>	 I can't tell what the difference is, but at the moment it *does* work (using 'site' as a dependency)
[21:41:23] <twkozlowski>	 I have a plain, unformatted number as {{#expr:({{PAGESINCATEGORY:Quality images|R}} - 100) round -2}}
[21:41:33] <twkozlowski>	 this outputs 61300
[21:42:47] <twkozlowski>	 I want it to be formatted like 61 300, but {{#formatnum:{{#expr:({{PAGESINCATEGORY:Quality images|R}} - 100) round -2}}|2|,|t}} outputs just the code
[21:43:27] <twkozlowski>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:FormatNum suggests this should work, or maybe I'm blind
[21:43:32] <twkozlowski>	 Nemo_bis: ^^
[21:44:30] <twkozlowski>	 ideas, anyone?
[21:44:57] <Nemo_bis>	 why would you look at an extension page :o
[21:45:25] <twkozlowski>	 to read documentation...
[21:46:00] <Nemo_bis>	 that thing has nothing to do with our formatnum
[21:46:10] <Nemo_bis>	 unless you're talking of some exotic wiki
[21:48:27] <twkozlowski>	 oh. true dat.
[21:49:14] <twkozlowski>	 so basically there's no way to do locale-independent number formatting?
[21:51:36] <twkozlowski>	 Nemo_bis: then that's interesting
[21:51:37] <Reedy>	 group or phase?
[21:51:39] <twkozlowski>	 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Quality_images/de
[21:51:57] <twkozlowski>	 group, Reedy
[21:52:07] <Reedy>	 starting at 0?
[21:52:08] <Reedy>	 :P
[21:52:14] <Newyorkadam>	 hi
[21:52:22] <twkozlowski>	 it works here https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Quality_images but not on /de, Nemo_bis
[21:52:33] <Newyorkadam>	 can anyone here help me with AWB? I know there's an AWB channel but it isn't adtive
[21:52:36] <Newyorkadam>	 *active
[21:55:30] <Newyorkadam>	 hello?
[21:56:22] <ori>	 what's AWB?
[21:57:52] <Reedy>	 twkozlowski: group0?
[21:58:07] * Nemo_bis  eyebrows at Reedy 

[21:58:09] <Newyorkadam>	 ori: Auto Wiki Browser
[21:58:14] <Nemo_bis>	 twkozlowski: yes, there's no way
[21:58:14] <greg-g>	 :)
[21:59:36] <Newyorkadam>	 does anyone here have experience with mono?
[22:01:10] <Nemo_bis>	 Newyorkadam: are you trying to verify the legend that AWB works in linux?
[22:01:17] <Newyorkadam>	 Nemo_bis: on mac
[22:01:21] <Newyorkadam>	 I know it works somehow but I can't get it
[22:01:21] <Nemo_bis>	 ugh
[22:01:25] <Newyorkadam>	 I'm getting close though..
[22:01:29] <Nemo_bis>	 :)
[22:01:37] <Newyorkadam>	 can you help :) ?
[22:01:48] <Nemo_bis>	 Good luck. It's been many years since last time I tried, so I've no idea
[22:02:03] <Reedy>	 https://toolserver.org/~awb/mono/
[22:02:11] <Reedy>	 Clearly shows that numerous things are going to be broken
[22:02:45] <Newyorkadam>	 some things will still work
[22:02:51] <Newyorkadam>	 I want the typoscan and that works
[22:03:06] <twkozlowski>	 Reedy: group0
[22:03:46] <twkozlowski>	 Nemo_bis: so any suggestion about fixing that QI page? :)
[22:04:07] <Reedy>	 twkozlowski: Is that a yes?
[22:04:21] <twkozlowski>	 Reedy: Yes. :-)
[22:05:39] <Newyorkadam>	 can anyone help?
[22:07:03] <MaxSem>	 "WebBrowser control is only supported on Linux/Windows. No support for OSX."
[22:07:09] <Newyorkadam>	 WebBrowser?
[22:07:14] <MaxSem>	 looks like no bueno
[22:07:45] <Reedy>	 The main item on the AWB main form?
[22:07:57] <Reedy>	 Where diffs and html are displayed
[22:08:36] <Newyorkadam>	 I know people have gotten it to work on a Mac
[22:08:51] <Reedy>	 under mono?
[22:08:57] <Reedy>	 It sorta works under WINE too
[22:14:29] <stwalkerster>	 csteipp, any progress on bug 59852?
[22:15:15] <Newyorkadam>	 Reedy: I get an error under wine and mono
[22:15:47] <Reedy>	 use wine and the proper .net framework?
[22:15:51] <Newyorkadam>	 found the answer to my problems :) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:AutoWikiBrowser/Mono_and_Wine
[22:15:54] <Reedy>	 wine and mono is just giving you even more variables
[22:15:57] <Reedy>	 ...
[22:17:01] <csteipp>	 stwalkerster: I haven't, sorry
[22:17:39] <stwalkerster>	 np, I was just wondering if the patch went under the radar since I attached it to the bug report rather than put it on gerrit
[22:18:52] <csteipp>	 stwalkerster: I just haven't reviewed it yet. I'll try and get to it this week.
[22:19:14] <stwalkerster>	 that's cool, it's not high priority anyway :)