[02:34:31] holy crap this is quiet [02:34:36] is wikimedia dead?! [02:35:13] hi domas [02:35:27] domas: Reedy did it >.> [02:35:32] no, it's just that no one cares about the lowlies populating #-tech ~ [02:35:42] haha [02:35:43] hi! [02:35:45] I love you all [02:36:32] domas: nah, they are all in #mediawiki-pdfhack, #mediawiki-visualeditor and all the other pointless channels [02:37:30] p858snake|l: Pointless? [02:37:42] Or with the MediaWiki Core features team ;) [02:38:12] because spilting discussions into multiple streams and even harder to follow [02:38:16] I declared this channel useless when… [02:38:17] hm [02:38:19] what was the cause [02:38:38] I guess someone brought some bot or something [02:39:22] ! [02:39:22] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56740 Typing "!" into a channel shouldn't cause the bot to print the list of all bangcodes it knows [02:39:28] :< [02:39:40] MatmaRex: ruining all the fun :( [02:40:34] the '!' things is the stupidest. [02:40:37] thing* [02:41:23] $wgServer [02:41:27] !$wgServer [02:41:27] The base URL of the server, including protocol (or protocol relative leading //) and without the trailing slash (eg, "http://www.example.org" or "//mediawiki.org"). See also https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgServer [02:41:31] hah [02:41:34] so useful [02:41:39] !around [02:41:39] Are you around? [02:41:44] wut [02:41:48] !around del [02:41:48] Successfully removed around [02:42:05] !5.4 [02:42:05] or i guess i could alias it to !ask. [02:42:05] Traits? In MediaWiki? Yeah right, we wish. In the mean time, make your own wish: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/PHP_5.4 [02:42:06] !@ [02:42:06] @ is the "error suppression operator" and should never be used in code, ever. This is an example of a lazy coder: $from = @$options['from']; [02:42:52] it would be so awesome to make MediaWiki HHVM-only [02:43:04] drama caused by that could fuel this universe [02:43:17] heh [02:44:58] I need a subject for this weeks signpost's tech report. [02:45:49] What fun stuff has been going on? [02:45:49] hehe, I remember http://dom.as/2006/01/07/php4-not-supported-use-php5/ [02:46:35] and all the drama with Jeffrey Merkey [02:46:35] haha [02:51:51] legoktm: i'm sure Gloria can suggest something [02:53:42] legoktm: Wasn't it the holidays? [03:00:02] Yes, so not much has really happened. [06:21:26] domas: how about apache license? [06:21:30] for mwprof [06:21:35] ori: <3 [06:21:40] ori: apache is nowadays license of my choice tbh [06:21:50] * ori takes screenshot, sends to lawyers [06:22:08] ori: (and I think it is by default FB opensource license now, so I can freely contribute) [06:22:19] yay. i don't know why i OCD'd over the license but i did [06:22:45] haha [06:22:52] now i feel properly serious business [06:23:02] this reminds me I have to rewrite the backend for page counters [06:23:21] oh yeah, i never got around to looking at that [06:23:37] did that share any code with udp profiler? this is pagestatscollector(?) or something, right? [06:23:53] I think I cp'ed the file at some point in time [06:25:12] i enjoyed this btw: http://www.se-radio.net/2013/12/episode-199-michael-stonebraker/ [06:33:41] oh heh, i didn't know about this 'fate worse than death' remark and the subsequent repartee [06:33:52] // Nice, Domas has returned for new year optimizing. [06:34:08] Gloria: I returned for some "omg site is down" fixing [06:34:29] !blame [06:34:29] Whatever happened, it's Domas' fault. For everything else, there's `git blame`. [06:34:38] (o: [06:34:41] :) [06:34:55] shouldn't that be Domas's? [06:35:00] like Jesus's? [06:35:29] That's a tabs v. spaces question, I think. [06:35:39] "he Chicago Manual of Style recommends this more modern style, while stating that adding just an apostrophe (e.g. Jesus') is also correct." [06:35:43] T. [06:35:56] so the Jesus reference was apt, it being a religious debate. [06:36:43] "... while noting that we've spent enough time discussing and debating this already, just do want you want." [06:37:05] "more modern style" reads like "gah, the masses keep doing it, and we can't stop it" [06:37:25] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentence_spacing_in_digital_media [06:48:46] domas: I think #wikimedia-tech died because you split off to #wikimedia-operations and everything else went to #mediawiki or #wikimedia-dev. [06:55:04] \o/ [06:56:01] I skimmed -operations scrollback. You and Ryan L. make a cute couple. [06:56:06] haha [06:56:59] his reaction wasn't something I expected when I dropped whatever I was doing, ended up diving to all the different systems/software/etc around than I knew before, realizing what is wrong (it was hitting a bug in mysql I found), remediating, etc [06:57:20] Send them an invoice. ;-) [06:57:47] You both are too smart to be bickering like that. It was amusing to read, though. [06:57:51] haha [06:57:58] I somehow ended up being furious [06:58:02] doesn't happen often to me [06:58:20] current environment is a bit too nice [06:58:21] :) [06:58:45] Well, when you have billions of dollars... [06:59:30] I don't suppose you'll be around for https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Architecture_Summit_2014 ? [06:59:42] nobody invites me anywhere [06:59:58] Heh, all you had to do was sign up. It was on wikitech-l. [07:00:13] who reads wikitech-l! [07:00:20] Nerds. [07:08:54] Gloria: Are you coming to town, or is the participants list also inclusive of remote folk? [07:09:30] I'm not sure that's an or situation, exactly. [07:09:39] But I'm coming to SF, yes. [07:09:42] Oooh, fun. [07:09:43] either [07:09:45] January 22 to January 26, I think. [07:09:53] fixed [07:09:54] Alternatively AHHHHHHHH [07:10:54] I'm so lost right now. [07:11:28] Gloria: Never mind, we'll go with my first reaction [07:12:17] Ori was distracting me. I get it. [07:12:25] It's going to fun, yes. [07:12:27] I think. [07:12:36] I'll get to see some people I don't usually get to see. [07:12:38] That should be nice. [07:12:51] Quim said he wanted to discuss my tactics (or thereabouts). I told him to make a list. [07:13:07] I may end up finding various people to yell at in-person. [07:13:19] did you tell him to mark it 'easy'? [07:13:26] Or try to un-root exactly what it is they do. [07:13:29] Exactly. [07:13:39] ori: I did not. [07:13:56] Because it isn't. [07:14:23] I wonder if Terry Chay will be around. I hope we'll be heavy on folks like him. [07:15:51] terry will be around, I think [07:16:32] Can't wait. [11:17:07] guillom: ugh, all "Make MediaWiki translatable" tasks are assigned? I don't see any open :O [11:17:38] oh indeed, 37/40 closed [11:19:13] hmmm: January 5, 2014, 9:00 AM Pacific Time/ 17:00 UTC: No more tasks can be claimed after this time [11:19:23] only 6h left [12:44:38] Nemo_bis: yeah, they're rushing before the end. [12:45:24] guillom: worth creating 2-3 more at least? [15:28:43] Nemo_bis: not sure there'll be anyone to approve them in time [15:29:50] guillom: yep it's a bit late now [15:30:00] Alex picked another task by now