[00:40:30] <jeremyb>	 csteipp: when i first started reading your mail i was thinking oauth would be a way for consumers to vouch for users. and then it wouldn't matter how they were logged in as long as the vouch wasn't revoked?
[00:41:20] <csteipp>	 jeremyb: That would be the case too... but if the only purpose of the app is to edit a wiki, then the app itself probably doesn't actually care, right?
[00:41:28] <csteipp>	 It can either edit as the user, or not.
[00:42:08] <csteipp>	 If it wants to give special rights to users with X edits, or users who haven't been blocked in Y years, they could do that
[00:42:20] * jeremyb  don't know know exactly

[00:42:27] * jeremyb  has to run away

[00:47:27] <jeremyb>	 csteipp: oooh, another idea: people put down a deposit (bitcoin?) and if the edit goes x days without being reverted then the deposit is returned to them. (not perfect, just brainstorm)
[00:48:45] <Reedy>	 Paid editing
[00:49:51] <MatmaRex>	 jeremyb: and if it is, who gets the cash? i can see the conspiracy theories already :D
[00:50:25] <jeremyb>	 MatmaRex: i think that's not such an important detail?
[00:50:43] <MatmaRex>	 i'm not aware of any currencies or "currencies" that would allow you to "disperse" value, unless we invent a new one
[00:51:09] <jeremyb>	 MatmaRex: WMF? split between WMF and a few other orgs? (EFF? UNICEF?)
[00:51:28] <jeremyb>	 MatmaRex: the point is i don't think we need to decide now
[00:51:44] <MatmaRex>	 masonic conspiracy.
[00:51:47] <MatmaRex>	 :D
[00:52:41] <MatmaRex>	 just requiring proof of work, which chris also mentioned (so essentially time-limiting vandalisms) might work better imo
[04:11:12] <Sir_Designer>	 http://techcrunch.com/2013/12/27/apple-mac-pro-review/   <-- this review give some good info and levelheaded assessments.
[16:31:09] <edward>	 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:UploadWizard gives <api-error-unknownerror>
[16:32:55] <edward>	 works now
[16:40:08] <marktraceur>	 edward: Can you reproduce?
[16:40:20] <edward>	 nope, it started working again
[16:40:34] <marktraceur>	 'kay, good
[16:42:06] <chrismcmahon>	 marktraceur:  I checked also, no sign of it
[20:35:27] <Nemo_bis>	 ugh, who knew https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Common_words,_searching_for_which_is_not_possible
[20:40:20] <^d>	 It's a hard problem :)
[20:40:36] <^d>	 What words are important?
[20:42:06] <Reedy>	 the
[20:42:07] <Reedy>	 and
[20:42:08] <Reedy>	 a
[20:42:15] <Nemo_bis>	 "Novel" is important! I just created [[Novel]]!!
[20:43:02] <Nemo_bis>	 that how I found out this lovely list https://en.wikiquote.org/w/index.php?title=Help:Common_words,_searching_for_which_is_not_possible&diff=prev&oldid=1660032
[20:43:32] <^d>	 So, that's mysql stop lists, which aren't lucene stop lists :)
[20:43:54] <^d>	 Also, it'd be nice if we could let wikis customize the stop lists to some degree.
[20:44:08] <^d>	 (For lots of languages, Lucene doesn't have any stop words!)
[20:44:40] <Nemo_bis>	 Yes, like 250
[20:45:24] <Nemo_bis>	 That's why I filed https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=54875
[20:54:01] <greg-g>	 neat
[21:40:07] <twkozlowski>	 legoktm: we have folk with 'oversight' rights on Wikimedia?
[21:40:40] <twkozlowski>	 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59120#c9 I mean