[00:12:48] <Pine>	 Is anyone here very familiar with MassMessage?
[00:16:39] <ashley>	 Pine: legoktm is ;-)
[00:16:47] <legoktm>	 Pine: hi
[00:17:31] <Pine>	 legoktm: hi. I am interested in using MassMessage to send the Signpost to all recently active editors on English Wikipedia. Is there a way to get MassMessage to do this?
[00:17:49] <Pine>	 The goal is to engage more editors with the broader community.
[00:17:51] <legoktm>	 eh
[00:17:57] <legoktm>	 you'd need to compile the list yourself
[00:18:25] <Pine>	 OK, if I did that would MassMessage be able to do the job?
[00:18:33] <legoktm>	 though, while well-intentioned, I think people would consider that to be spamming
[00:18:42] <legoktm>	 yeah, it could do it, but I'm not sure its a good idea
[00:20:59] <Pine>	 I'm going to discuss this with Ed. We'd definitely want to have an opt out.
[00:21:16] <Pine>	 I think the complaining will be minimal though.
[00:21:40] <Pine>	 People can hardly be too upset if we use user talk pages for their intended purpose as long as we offer them an opt out.
[00:23:45] <MrZ-man>	 I think you'd be suprised what people get upset over
[00:28:19] <Pine>	 MrZ-man: I think some people enjoy having something to yell about. I'm not too worried about them.
[00:28:30] <Pine>	 They can opt out easily enough.
[00:29:19] <MrZ-man>	 "But I didn't get 6 months to opt-out before it started, rabble, rabble rabble!"
[00:33:55] <Pine>	 MrZ-man: that happens even when we put things through RfCs.
[00:34:50] <Pine>	 People complain that they didn't know about the RfC and it's invalid for some reason so it should be overturned.
[00:37:49] <jorm>	 People complain about everything.  It's very discouraging, trying to make any kind of forward progress.
[01:37:49] <Pine>	 jorm: Yes, complaining can be discouraging. Fortunately by doing RfCs ahead of time it puts the complaints in context. This is one reason I like RfCs. It sometimes shows that the supporters have much larger numbers.
[01:39:02] <jorm>	 Or, you have a minority of people who actually pay attention to RFCs making bad decisions for the majority.
[01:39:26] <jorm>	 "overwhelming consensus" in even the largest RFCs only touches less than 1% of the editor base.
[01:47:28] <Pine>	 yes that is an issue also, but it is the best option that we have I think
[01:47:46] <Pine>	 Most of the time I think RfCs end as they should
[08:53:18] <lukestanley>	 hey all, I sorted wikipedia articles by article's pagerank (generic, not Google's), and exported a list here: https://archive.org/details/en_wikipedia_article_titles_by_pagerank_dated_20131202.txt
[08:54:01] <lukestanley>	 I want to use it to make xml dumps of arbitrary size with highly ranked info making the cut first
[08:54:41] <lukestanley>	 I have some USB sticks I wanna give my friends and family copies of enwiki on as a holiday present
[08:55:55] <lukestanley>	 I already have some huge XML files my script has spat out but I'm not sure what the category info is for, I want to format it in a way thats compatible with as many dump readers as possible
[08:57:35] <lukestanley>	 I tried just putting it in, in pagerank order, not from 0 up to 10638571
[09:00:21] <lukestanley>	 do I need to reorder the ID's from 0?
[09:00:37] <lukestanley>	 do I need to recalculated the SHA-1 after doing so?
[09:32:10] <lukestanley>	 incase my wifi cuts out and has ideas please do email luke.stanley on the gmail domain, thanks!
[09:53:12] <p858snake|l>	 Nemo_bis: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58159
[09:58:48] <Nemo_bis>	 p858snake|l: sure, it's a reminder :)
[09:59:19] <Nemo_bis>	 we don't have a component for MediaWiki release though :/
[11:54:02] <NotASpy>	 morning all - getting 403 Permission Denied errors on tools.wmflabs.org today, doesn't matter which developers tools I'm using. 
[12:01:57] <twkozlowski>	 apergos, akosiaris might this be related? ^^
[12:02:35] <apergos>	 pretty much
[12:03:21] <apergos>	 I'm trying to reach coren now (sent an sms via my phone, which claimed to be sent but perhaps got swallowed, trying the sms->email info now to see if that nets any result)
[12:03:55] <apergos>	 er email to sms rather
[12:10:27] <Steinsplitter>	 twkozlowski: \O/
[12:13:04] <twkozlowski>	 ?
[12:15:57] <Steinsplitter>	 ...
[12:17:24] <twkozlowski>	 ?
[12:19:25] <Steinsplitter>	 forget it
[12:19:55] <twkozlowski>	 o_0
[13:39:07] <Betacommand>	 anyone with corens cellular number around?
[13:42:09] <apergos>	 I'll respond here too so it's on the record, already left voicemail a while ago
[17:23:14] <Romaine>	 why is this banner gone? https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralNoticeBanners/edit/WMNL_banner_review_annual_plan_WMNL_banner_review_annual_plan
[18:37:25] <LeslieCarr>	 did anyone find Coren ?
[18:37:57] <Coren>	 LeslieCarr: I've been found.  :-)
[18:38:23] * bd808  is glad a grue didn't eat Coren 

[18:38:48] <LeslieCarr>	 okay cool
[18:39:04] <LeslieCarr>	 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nigRT2KmCE