[13:29:39] hello [13:32:19] Hello cortexA9 [17:12:49] ugh, is it just me, or does https://bits.wikimedia.org/apple-touch/mediawiki.png have the uglies orange background? [17:13:30] twkozlowski: you're the favicon guy, do you know how to unbreak that too, maybe? ^ [17:14:15] do we care about apple? :) [17:14:20] Yes, you just need to submit a new icon to operations/mediawiki-config and get someone to approve it [17:14:32] Nemo_bis: Certainly we do. [17:14:32] Nemo_bis: that awful thing appeared on my Opera's speed dial [17:14:36] I think there is at least one open bug about apple-touch images being horrible [17:14:44] There is indeed. [17:14:52] twkozlowski: this was not there a few months ago [17:15:03] MatmaRex: Depending on how much it bothers you, I can fix it today or in a yer. [17:15:04] can we just delete it? who came up with that background [17:15:06] year* [17:15:41] Nemo_bis: We have https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27911 [17:15:54] or just copy mediawikiwiki's logo there, since it appears to be the same thing with inexplicable orange background [17:16:13] are there currently any problems with the upload forms on Commons? [17:16:46] there we go [17:17:09] Generation_Zero - the other problem is that these are all volunteers (like on the first channel) so there's no way to know when anyone will see this and respond [17:17:15] Generation_Zero - so, describe your problem, please? [17:17:20] You were trying to upload photos, and... [17:18:38] hi Dragonfly6-7 [17:18:46] ah, hi [17:18:54] I tried to upload them with both the upload and upload wizard, but none is helping. [17:19:09] Generation_Zero - you said you clicked the 'upload' button and just got the spinning circle, yeah? [17:19:13] i'm not aware of any problems and i don't see any bugs reported todya about that [17:19:21] and you've tried with your phone, and with your desktop machine? [17:19:31] Generation_Zero - what browser are you using? [17:20:34] Upload wizard: I clicked Start and it's the same page over and over and over. [17:22:21] MatmaRex - *is* Flash required? [17:22:38] do the uploads require Adobe Flash Player? [17:22:41] (he asked that earlier) [17:22:44] Dragonfly6-7: what for? [17:22:45] no [17:22:48] it's definitely not [17:22:53] i don't think we use it at all [17:23:39] MatmaRex - I don't know, these are Generation_Zero's questions [17:23:52] and I'm trying to coax him(her?) into providing more details about the problems [17:24:19] him [17:26:16] okay. So, describe more what happens, and what you did. [17:27:47] Generation_Zero - we can't help you if you don't describe your problem [17:29:36] (Shorter version) i try to upload photo, didn't work with both the uploads. [17:30:50] first question as with everything: are you using internet explorer? [17:31:25] of course! [17:31:34] problem solved, trash it [17:31:44] try with firefox or chromium and let us know [17:32:28] I don't have neither. [17:32:42] Generation_Zero - those are free. [17:32:53] Generation_Zero - you can download firefox onto your desktop machine. [17:33:58] no, i really can't. And now Problem UNsolved [17:34:36] ok, trash your computer and get one where you can actually use the internet then :) [17:34:38] twkozlowski: so, where are those icons so i can fix that one? [17:35:34] uploadwizard regularly breaks with IE, if you aspire to martyrdom you can be our guinea pig and report bugs on bugzilla.wikimedia.org with clear steps to reproduce; but personally I won't devote any time to that [17:35:35] ah, nevermind, got it. operations\mediawiki-config\docroot\bits\apple-touch [17:35:36] Generation_Zero - why can't you download firefox? [17:35:47] MatmaRex: Yes. I'm working on that right now. [17:36:05] MatmaRex: I have an icon already, just have to crush the size with pngcrush [17:36:07] ah, awesome [17:36:29] ugh, i'm looking at that directory and i'm all like wtf, these are ugly [17:37:26] Generation_Zero ? [17:37:42] MatmaRex: seen the Wiktionary one yet? :) [17:38:01] that's what made mw wtf the most :P [17:38:12] both wiktionary ones, actually [17:38:57] the other one they requested specifically [17:39:01] the English community [17:39:03] but meh :) [18:08:17] MatmaRex: so how does http://tools.wikimedia.pl/~odder/tpp/mediawiki-new-4.png look like to you? [18:08:44] MatmaRex: I gave the background a small grey gradient at the bottom, not sure it's visible to you [18:09:20] plus it's just 10406 bytes vs 22713 for the current icon [18:12:40] yeah, i see the gradient [18:12:49] do we want a gradient? [18:13:02] We have an even stronger one for the Wikipedia icon. [18:13:07] https://bits.wikimedia.org/apple-touch/wikipedia.png [18:13:13] yeah, and it looks shit if you ask me [18:13:17] but it's way better anyway :D [18:13:24] oh, the sunflower used is a different one. [18:13:29] Did you see how it looks on an Apple product? [18:13:55] nope [18:14:04] i know how it looks like on my speed dial :) [18:14:10] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MediaWiki_logo_without_tagline.png is too small MatmaRex [18:14:27] Are you going to fix those apple-touch icons? :D [18:14:33] so I used https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MediaWiki_logo_1.svg.png [18:14:54] how so? [18:14:56] I have https://bits.wikimedia.org/apple-touch/wikipedia.png on meta and wikidata. :( [18:15:14] it's used in the current touch icon [18:15:14] You do. [18:15:29] sjoerddebruin: we're fixing this one: https://bits.wikimedia.org/apple-touch/mediawiki.png [18:15:43] *vomits* [18:15:51] MatmaRex: how come? the file is 135x135px while the icon is 144x144 [18:16:06] twkozlowski: it just has a transparent "frame" added [18:16:24] also, the apple-touch icons we have seem to use various sizes [18:16:44] Yet. [18:16:52] It's being fixed. [18:17:48] The Commons-icon is blurry. :( [18:18:13] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27911#c20 [18:18:26] sjoerddebruin: what iDevice are you on? [18:18:35] iPad 2 [18:18:55] so it's the one with the Retina display? [18:19:03] No. [18:19:19] MatmaRex: OK, let me change the sunflower then... [18:19:26] Look, in the simulator: https://www.dropbox.com/s/topvdhwr81q2xwy/Screenshot%202013-12-21%2019.19.21.png [18:19:27] anything other to change? :) [18:19:41] (This is 64-bit iPhone 5S btw) [18:19:45] s/other/else [18:20:10] sjoerddebruin: in that Bugzilla bug there's a screenshot from an iPhone [18:20:17] looks OK to me there [18:20:45] but I'm thinking iPhone 5S has the Retina display [18:20:50] or hasn't it. [18:21:18] This are the sizes: https://developer.apple.com/library/ios/documentation/AppleApplications/Reference/SafariWebContent/ConfiguringWebApplications/ConfiguringWebApplications.html [18:21:29] You need 152x152 for retina iPad. [18:22:08] o_0 [18:22:16] it wasn't there when I last looked in June/July [18:22:38] This is on the newest iPad: https://www.dropbox.com/s/6sz8krdt066lphw/iOS-simulatorschermafbeelding%2021%20dec.%202013%2019.22.03.png [18:22:38] should we care? [18:22:50] they might want a bigger size for their next device [18:22:54] that's just crazy. [18:25:25] The Wikipedia-one looks okay... [18:26:00] that one is 144x144 too [18:28:26] But this is just annoying: https://www.dropbox.com/s/59qpf2iysu0ce3i/iOS-simulatorschermafbeelding%2021%20dec.%202013%2019.28.10.png [18:33:04] I can see why this annoys you, yes :) [18:36:32] sjoerddebruin, MatmaRex so how's http://tools.wikimedia.pl/~odder/tpp/mediawiki-new-2.png ? [18:36:44] should use the same sunflower, and it's even smaller than the first one [18:42:05] MatmaRex: so if that looks OK to you, I'll commit it to Gerrit [18:43:04] twkozlowski: sexy [18:43:22] * twkozlowski makes a happy dance \o/ [18:49:13] Looks good for me [18:51:54] * Nemo_bis wonders what's going on [19:07:34] Why I can't delete my Wikipedia account nor update the username? [19:08:05] You are blocked there, remember? [19:08:42] You can't delete accounts on MediaWiki, that would be a bad idea [19:08:56] on most wikis renames must be done by a bureaucrat [19:16:09] Krenair: why it would be a bad idea? you can give to option to anonymize the content owner [19:16:14] *the option [19:20:44] BadDesign: because deleting the user would break database integrity unless/until all other references to that user are removed [19:20:47] and that's practically impossible [19:21:09] you don't remove any reference, you just rename the username [19:21:20] renaming is possible [19:21:46] (and enabled on all Wikimedia wikis) [19:22:41] hmm, last time I checked I couldn't rename my account's username [19:23:01] I have to ask a bureaucrat? [19:23:07] "on most wikis renames must be done by a bureaucrat" [19:23:17] you never read what people tell you, do you :) [19:23:39] Why I can't do it myself? I don't want anything logged [19:24:10] If I ask a bureaucrat some log is publicly added that shows the rename [19:24:17] or my request is public... [19:24:29] If you renamed yourself, the log would be public too [19:24:34] just become a bureaucrat [19:24:47] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Index_of_pages_where_renaming_can_be_requested [19:24:57] you can start an RFA and then RFB no problem [19:25:01] everyone can do that. [19:26:59] BadDesign, unlogged rename? [19:27:03] haha, that'll never happen [19:27:21] Krenair: at least not publicly shown [19:27:29] I know that in the backened there are logs [19:27:39] Unless you want you real name to be hidden [19:27:43] *your [19:31:05] yes, I want to hide my past name [19:31:25] if I want to rename I have a reason, you know... [19:31:34] if delete is not an option [19:32:17] is past name = real name of yours? [19:32:33] yes [20:47:55] anyone with a spare minute & willing to help me assess the notability of three Gerrit patches? [20:48:04] for Tech News #51? [20:54:29] twkozlowski: which ones? [20:55:39] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/99038/ https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/102098/ https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/102879/ Ryan_Lane [20:55:53] also the outage from http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2013-December/073711.html [20:56:44] I can definitely talk about the wikitech outage [20:56:56] It's a relatively minor outage [20:57:08] Yes, but do you think regular Wikimedians would care? :) [20:57:10] no [20:57:15] only labs users [20:57:17] there's no info how long it was [20:57:37] the content on wikitech is ops documentation, which is also available at wikitech-static.wikimedia.org [20:58:08] wikitech is also used to manage wikimedia labs resources, but isn't necessary for labs to continue working [20:58:15] you just can't manage resources without it [20:58:23] I know. [20:58:32] also, puppet will stop running on labs if wikitech's apache is unavailable [20:58:41] but it doesn't really impact much overall [20:59:11] so how long was the outage? [20:59:14] no clue [20:59:15] :) [20:59:23] would need to ask mutante about that [20:59:51] I wish some of these gerrit changes had more details [21:00:02] OK, how about the three patches, what do you think? MatmaRex perhaps? [21:00:09] werdna for the first one [21:00:12] dear me, my connection really is awful now [21:00:21] but... I can likely give some idea of what it does [21:00:28] flow is the new discussion system [21:00:42] it doesn't use wiki pages, so they wouldn't natively show in a user's contributions [21:00:56] it looks like this change makes a user's flow activity show up in their contributions [21:01:15] so, if they comment in a flow discussion, or start a new one on an article [21:01:52] ok, so all kinds of activities will be visible [21:02:20] 102098 adds support for json formatted localization messages [21:02:28] the current format is php arrays [21:02:48] it's backwards compatible, so extension authors can either use json or php [21:02:50] which is something no one cares about [21:02:56] wikimedians? nope [21:03:03] even translatewiki.net contributors [21:03:07] indeed [21:03:13] it's an implementation detail [21:03:20] people who do MediaWiki development would care [21:03:24] it's interesting from a technical point of view tho :) [21:03:37] (i, for instance am really excited about it, since I've been asking for this for ages) [21:04:10] I honestly don't know the implications of 102879 [21:04:32] oh, there's a bug listed with it [21:04:40] you can redirect through Special:Redirect/page/bla [21:05:09] yeah, no clue why this would be important [21:05:13] and the bug doesn't really say why [21:05:40] you can redirect through user and revision ID now [21:05:41] it's a convenience thing, but for who I don't know [21:05:54] so it's just a follow-up to that [21:06:02] I don't think Wikipedians would care that much... [21:06:08] yeah, unlikely [21:06:15] so I'm going to add the Flow bit [21:06:19] maybe bot authors would like this for some reason? [21:06:35] twkozlowski: are you including the labs pmtpa -> eqiad move? [21:06:49] when did it happen? [21:06:50] not sure if you're subscribed to labs-l [21:06:58] it's occuring in the next month or two [21:07:09] oh, we'll report it then if needed [21:07:43] * Ryan_Lane nods [21:07:51] it shouldn't affect anyone, likely [21:16:57] Ryan_Lane: oh, it does work already on MW.org [21:17:00] awesome [21:17:08] what does? the flow stuff? [21:17:09] yeah [21:17:12] flow is deployed there [21:18:01] I know, I just wasn't sure the patch was synchronized yet [21:20:01] ah [21:27:34] https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tech/News/2013/51&diff=6808627&oldid=6798287 Ryan_Lane [22:21:01] Is it possible for someone like me to get a test app authorised for OAuth on testwiki? [22:21:23] jarry1250: you can always do edits as yourself [22:21:46] jarry1250: so if you just register the app, you can use it (but nobody else can) [22:22:29] valhallasw: Okey. How, so do I have self-register? [22:22:34] yes [22:22:45] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:OAuthConsumerRegistration [22:22:48] Wow, I need coffee. [22:22:56] *So how do I self-register? [22:24:56] valhallasw: ^ [22:25:05] fill in the form I linked :-) [22:25:55] valhallasw: Ah, laggu [22:25:59] *laggy