[01:33:52] MaxSem: still having problems with https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Town_House,_Montrose.JPG - it's not showing in any of the categories I've added it to. [01:34:54] NotASpy, a simple null edit fixed this [01:35:59] ta. :-) [07:15:21] I have submitted a patch. But there are some issues? So should I submit again? Read through the link before replying. https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/94598/ [07:15:26] Thanks in advance! [07:58:43] so maybe the job queue spike is due to Nik's search indexing? :) https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Search/New&oldid=92220 [08:16:12] nope, looks to be at the same time as parsoid stuff again [13:43:24] mutante: Are you still the best person to ask about https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org.uk/show_bug.cgi?id=159 ? (WMUK's bug tracker) [14:03:42] THO here? [17:02:24] jarry1250: i' involved in bugzilla.wikimedia.org but not bugzilla.wikimedia.org.uk [17:02:58] mutante: I meant the subject matter of the bug, sorry, that wasn't very clear [17:03:56] jarry1250: oooh, yea, well, yes, you don't have to do that work twice, i puppetized planet-venus for wmf [17:04:16] jarry1250: did you want to be added to WMF planet or setup your entire own planet? [17:04:51] and do you use puppet at WMKU? [17:04:55] UK [17:05:23] mutante: No clue on that one, I'm afraid. [17:05:53] jarry1250: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Planet [17:05:57] Re: WMUK operating it's own planet, if it's not too much trouble, I think that's the idea, yes [17:06:34] (Trouble to set up, trouble to manage, require vast amounts of CPU/memory) [17:06:48] jarry1250: http://git.wikimedia.org/blob/operations%2Fpuppet.git/2415336a09dc7345da6a21895d8a54ef81ce89e3/manifests%2Fmisc%2Fplanet.pp [17:07:27] jarry1250: i can help with either, adding you to our planet is easy, setting up your own should be as well, ..if you use puppet or have somebody willing to start doing tht [17:08:22] mutante: Any thoughts on resource requirements? [17:08:51] jarry1250: not really besides "low", we put it on a misc. webhost sharing with a few other smaller services [17:09:09] Cool. [17:09:54] so if all you want for now is have feeds added: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Planet#How_do_i_add.2Fremove_feed_URLs.3F [17:10:10] you could just make a patch ,see above [17:11:36] or make a bug for it on bz, also ok [17:13:06] jarry1250: feel free to paste my comments on your bugzilla ticket and create a new one on our bugzilla and link them [17:13:43] mutante: Cool, thank you for your help :) [17:14:06] yw, nice to see if something is actually reused [17:16:27] WMUK has their own Bugzilla and want to set up their own Planet? [17:16:36] o_0 [17:17:25] twkozlowski: yes, talk to them about the pros and cons of decentralization>:> [17:18:21] what a waste of time that is [17:18:25] twkozlowski: if they start with their own puppetmaster, the whole reusing thing becomes a little bit easier, heh [17:18:39] I see they also have their own OTRS, omg [17:18:47] ehehe [17:19:24] twkozlowski: I'm not sure what the WMF's view is of geography rather than language based planets in the WMF Planetarium [17:19:36] well, whatever, they'll realize in a year it's not scalable for them. [17:19:51] I don [17:19:59] don't think there's a WMF view on that [17:20:09] mutante == WMF in that case, I think [17:21:07] twkozlowski: What isn't scalable? btw the WMUK bugzilla has a few features that would never be enabled on the WMF installation, e.g. for time management, that's why it has to be separate, ditto the wiki, not sure about OTRS [17:21:12] the WMF planet is just separated by language, yes [17:21:24] it doesnt care about national borders [17:21:41] I doubt anybody would care if you asked a geography subdomain [17:21:41] jarry1250: the fact that they set up everything on their own [17:21:43] For historical reasons or as a matter of policy, that is the question. [17:21:54] there are already tickets waiting to be resolved since July [17:22:31] twkozlowski: "tickets waiting to be resolved since July" is an atrocious metric [17:22:53] perhaps, but it's still a fact. [17:23:15] If you said, "x developer hours had to be spent duplicating things the WMF already did, I could get behind you" [17:23:26] one would've thought they could deal with their own bugs in a more prompt manner, seeing that there is no bureaucracy inbetween [17:23:28] (" in the wrong place there, you know what I mean) [17:23:39] twkozlowski: Some of those bugs are for vast project [17:23:41] s [17:23:52] I wouldn't expect them to be resolved in six months [17:25:40] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org.uk/show_bug.cgi?id=35 can be resolved in 30 seconds, ask Andre :) [17:26:00] but meh, I'm not that interested [17:26:07] perhaps it'll work better for them [17:26:20] to each their own, etc. [17:26:42] Correct. Just add an email address here: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org.uk/editparams.cgi?section=mta#globalwatchers_desc [17:27:13] (after registering that email address as an account in Bugzilla, and obviously not letting that account access security related issues etc.) [17:27:27] The fact is, if you want a different config arrangement (e.g. for your wiki, OTRS stream, Bugzilla), that's either impossible without a new installation or you've got to convince the WMF to maintain that for you. [17:27:30] andre__: Thanks [17:39:24] andre__: thanks, i meant to bring the multi bugzilla to your attention and point to jarry1250 that the config differences might be interesting for both sides [17:41:01] jarry1250: fwiw, i just added Bugzilla localconfig to puppet last week, we are still working on the switch to use the new module and have no manual setup, which also means, any change to it can be requested and seen in gerrit by anyone [17:41:31] as opposed to the old situation when it all needed attention of one of very few ops [17:43:52] it's not switched as of today, but it will change soon and getting a config change in will be way more transparent .. for your consideration [20:29:41] anyone able to handle https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=52705 around? *yawning* [20:30:09] Cladis: yes [20:30:44] within like the next hour expect an update, k? [20:31:58] Cladis: has it been decided for real who is supposed to be the initial admin and they can handle the rest? [20:32:08] hashar: there? [20:37:24] Cladis: further comments on ticket [20:38:18] ori-l: yes [20:38:51] hashar: so, alex rebuilt PHP to include tim's patch for the exif extension [20:39:17] but i've never done a PHP upgrade on the cluster before, and i'm not sure how to go about it [20:39:28] definitely DONT upgrade PHP [20:39:31] specifically, i'm not sure how to test the package on labs -- it's not in apt yet, so do we just dpkg install? [20:39:46] we were talking earlier today with akosiaris to get PHP upgraded this week [20:39:50] basically the process is roughly: [20:40:08] - get the php patches in some repository holding the PHP source code + debian directory ( I have no idea where it is) [20:40:11] - build the package [20:40:22] - deploy it on testwiki + beta cluster + jenkins [20:40:24] wait for bugs [20:40:38] hashar: so it's already on testwiki [20:40:41] - upload to apt, force puppet run [20:40:43] the packages are here: http://brewster.wikimedia.org/php5/ [20:40:50] yeah that MIGHT be them [20:40:58] I have no clue where testwiki points to nowadays [20:41:13] best bet is to ask akosiaris who handled it last week or today [20:41:18] 10:45 akosiaris: ori-l: the PHP packages for RT #6453 are ready and installed on test.wikipedia.org. I suppose it's beta and then production. You can find them here http://brewster.wikimedia.org/php5/ [20:41:24] Alex patches might be in indeed [20:41:30] that's what alex said [20:41:35] ahh nice [20:41:58] so yeah supposedly alexandros has put them on beta and jenkins slaves. Haven't followed up after I talked about it with him though [20:42:17] i don't think he put them on beta or jenkins [20:42:58] not sure [20:43:17] on gallium (jenkins master + slave) I get php -v => PHP 5.3.10-1ubuntu3.9+wmf1 [20:43:27] but 5.3.10-1ubuntu3.9+wmf1 as a candidate [20:43:49] mutante: yes, see link attached by last comment [20:45:05] hashar: i'll ping alex and paravoid for help [20:45:13] and do it with them or just let them do it and watch so i can learn something [20:45:31] they got some meetings tonight [20:45:35] so probably tomorrow mornign [20:45:48] we can always get php upgraded on the jenkins slaves [20:45:50] yeah, it's not pants-on-fire urgent [20:46:32] Cladis: gotcha, great, will process shortly and give it to Ilya, though i recommend to him to add at least one other backup person to share access with that he trusts [20:46:43] ori-l: so yeah the new package got deployed on the two slaves [20:46:56] (jenkins slaves) [20:46:59] another one in the vote is myself :) [20:47:24] ah you give it only to him [20:47:29] ok np [20:48:03] Cladis: i couldn't see your nickname on that wiki page, what is your user, it seemed to show just Ilya with support [20:48:28] well, i just need one of you, you can sort it out afterwards [20:48:36] essential now is to get a mailing list at all, not who would be it's admin as admins can be set afterwards [20:48:41] and self-service with the initial pass, then change it [20:48:45] ah perhaps im without a cloack again [20:48:52] BaseSat at commons [20:48:54] yep, cool, that's what i wanted [20:49:05] not clear support but its 70%+ [20:50:32] Cladis: got it now, that works [20:57:08] mutante: ilia's and mine emails are availible in bug [20:57:46] its intracer@gmail.com and base-w@yandex.ru [20:57:56] as we both replied there [21:00:57] Cladis: thanks, just making sure [21:01:48] Cladis: do you want Ukrainian to be activated as supported language for the UI? [21:12:55] !log creating wikilovesearth mailing list for bug 52705 [21:12:58] Cladis: [21:13:11] Logged the message, Master [21:56:15] manybubbles are you aware of anything not right with search on beta labs? In particular, when I type "main" in the search box I get "Main Page" suggested but when I type "bara" or "barack", I do not get the Barack Obama page suggested. [21:56:51] chrismcmahon: not that I'm aware of, but I can do a full reindex on it and see if that gets it working again [21:57:23] manybubbles: if it's not a hassle, I'd appreciate it. I have some tests failing, but not sure if it's a search bug or just not indexed correctly [23:40:03] greg-g: yt? [23:41:29] StevenW: barely [23:41:32] sick with migraine [23:41:35] ah [23:41:36] okay [23:41:38] no worries then [23:41:43] haven't caught up on stuff yet [23:41:48] nothing critical [23:41:52] k