[00:00:39] somewhat random question about Wikimedia; if you were to manufacture servers and donate them, would the retail value be consider tax deductible? [00:00:47] Not saying Wikimedia would accept it, just curious [00:05:00] FreezingCold: That's probably more of a tax law question than anything else [00:05:31] Wikimedia is a 501(c)3 charitable organization, so it depends on what rules the IRS has about what you can and can't deduct re donations to 501(c)3's [00:06:12] I believe companies regularly write off in-kind donations against tax [00:06:24] But I have never worked in the for-profit sector so I don't know [00:07:21] FreezingCold: yes [00:07:29] I'm not a tax attorney, but "the lower amount from your cost basis and fair market value" is the standard for in kind deductions. [00:09:04] So you shouldn't deduct more than FMV but you also shouldn't deduct more than you have invested in the good/service being donated. [00:09:47] also, we probably wouldn't take them unless we spec'd them out ourselves :) [00:09:57] see also: TANSTAAFL [00:10:18] bd808: disagree, see: Thai food on 6. [00:10:33] happens way too often for it to be a fluke [00:10:36] :) [00:15:31] greg-g: Ah, bot to get said food one has to be in WMFHQ which has a significant cost associated inherent to it's geographic location [00:15:39] *but [00:18:06] bd808: ad infinitum until either "and all that was just stored potential energy, which was really just a savings account, before the big bang" or "and God created all this, which was a time cost for him." [00:19:23] 'zactly. Or until I claim cognitive relativism as the ultimate dumb trump card [00:20:12] * greg-g nods [01:21:47] [19:09:14] also, we probably wouldn't take them unless we spec'd them out ourselves :) [01:21:55] Yeah, I know. I was just interested in general [01:22:01] [19:08:31] So you shouldn't deduct more than FMV but you also shouldn't deduct more than you have invested in the good/service being donated. [01:22:32] Let's say Acer donated a bunch of equipment; how would that work out? Clearly they pay a lot less for it than FMV [01:24:18] They would be entitled to deduct their cost to produce the good including materials and labor costs [01:25:43] I ran a company in the way back times that designed websites. When we'd "donate" a site to a good cause we could deduct the labor costs that went into making it. [01:25:46] it happens more the other way around, we give out old hardware to other small non-profits and such [01:28:02] Usually if a corporation is "donating" new hardware they do it under a grant program instead of as an in-kind donation. There are other much more complicated tax rules for that model that are more advantageous if the corporation is doing the giving at a large enough scale. [01:28:40] * bd808 is rambling about things he knows vaguely [01:53:14] Hello [01:53:21] https://es.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Common.js&curid=779953&diff=71349477&oldid=70748340 [01:53:29] Is this change correct? [02:12:51] Hi LlamaAl. [02:13:03] Hi Gloria [02:13:34] Looks fine to me. [02:13:44] Does it work? [02:13:53] It doesn't [02:14:34] Works for em. [02:14:35] me [02:14:40] https://es.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=Barack+Obama&title=Especial%3ABuscar&fulltext=1 [02:14:43] Look at the bottom? [02:14:52] I see "Wikidata search results" and further results. [02:15:34] Oh, I now see it [02:15:47] Thought the tool worked in other way [02:15:52] Thanks :) [02:25:11] No problem. [02:25:13] :-) [08:02:49] Good morning, WM-tech. Question for you all. bits.wikimedia.org seems to be rejecting ICMPv6 packets, specifically Packet Too Large for PMTUD. I'm on an IPv6 tunnel with MTU of 1280, and connections to bits.wikimedia.org often hang for 20+ seconds after handshake. [08:03:07] Who should I poke regarding investigating whether bits is rejecting such packets? [08:05:41] kenneaal: you should ask LeslieCarr later when it's US awake times or. better.. send an email to the address i channel topic or go through the "on duty" person [08:06:11] There's an email address in the topic? [08:06:54] kenneaal: sorry , topic in #wikimedia-operations | Requests: ops-requests@rt.wikimedia.org | on RT duty: apergos [08:07:11] Aah! Thank you, I'll have a gander in there then. :) [08:07:16] sure, yw [13:50:44] kenneaal: that is strange [14:43:32] http://www.eba.europa.eu/-/eba-warns-consumers-on-virtual-currencies [14:56:07] hi Nemo_bis, bored? [14:56:39] Nemo_bis: https://google-melange.appspot.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2013/5896996137205760 (not sure if you've seen it) [15:01:11] can't check those before late evening probably, am I reviewer for all? I think I commented on some [15:01:51] you are, yeah [15:01:53] thanks [16:19:24] [[Tech]]; Dave Braunschweig; /* en.wikiversity mbox CSS Issue */; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=6722838&oldid=6712996&rcid=4741310 [19:24:08] MatmaRex: on https://google-melange.appspot.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2013/5896996137205760 , 2 patches can be abandoned (but it's still good for gci purposes, he did the investigation), on the other I hope Raymond will reappear in few minutes here :) [19:33:45] ugh, but the last patch confuses me too :( those bugs were a bit unlucky [22:41:06] bd808: Thanks, just saw your message now. So usually corporations just give cash back later and sell their hardware at "full" price? Doesn't that break some trading laws? [22:44:36] * bd808 shrugs [22:44:45] IANAL :) [22:48:38] I doubt it works that way, they'd lose VAT [22:51:42] donating/destroying stuff is a typical VAT trick, quite a regulation nightmare