[02:15:23] anyone good with tables ? [02:15:39] in a tables with 4 columns and several rows [02:16:10] I would like to have one row covering with 1. column = 1 cell (covering 3-cells height), 2. column = 2 cells (covering 3-cells height), 3. column = 1 cell (covering 3-cells height), and 4. column = 3 cell (covering 3-cells height). But how do i make that ? [02:16:28] did you try rowspan and colspan? [02:17:06] only rowspan [02:19:08] this is a winnerslist in sports with shared places at one of several editions [02:21:18] 1. column is a for the edition of the sport and the the other columns are gold silver and bronze.. and it was a shared gold and none silver awarded and then again three participants on bronze [02:22:08] the other editions are okay.... [02:23:40] but i 'm not sure how to get both rowspan=2 and Rowspan=3 in the same row [02:25:52] after thinking a bit of what you said.... i'll try a bit more... [05:24:52] I found out in this edit... https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Olympic_medalists_in_speed_skating&diff=583048260&oldid=582192550 [08:39:17] Romaine: you might find https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:MZMcBride#MediaWiki_message_delivery interesting :P [08:40:20] and https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kommentarer_om_administreringen_av_Wikipedia#MediaWiki_message_delivery [08:40:24] in 1 minute I give a presentation, have to look at it later [08:42:37] ok, its not that important [08:43:11] I created a user page on all Dutch projects [08:43:27] maybe I can do that later for other projects as well [08:43:47] sv wikipedia was the wiki with troubles with the translate extension too [08:46:08] legoktm: we could set the userpage for translation on mw wiki and tell people to copy it [08:46:18] or have a bot copy the translations everywhere [08:46:49] that sounds like a good idea [08:47:05] doing it on meta makes sense though, since part of it is wmf-specific [08:47:07] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:MediaWiki_message_delivery [08:47:21] I'm not a translation admin there though [08:48:16] legoktm: poke Elsie, i'm sure he can blackmail someone on meta [08:48:48] * legoktm pokes rschen7754 [08:49:03] oh Elsie is a translation admin too. [08:51:25] new idea. [08:51:34] Use MassMessage to create user-talk pages for itself. [08:59:38] just use synchbot [09:00:05] is there really no way to make massmessage post on a user page? [09:00:22] nope :D [09:04:32] oh well, I've also notified translators; I'm sure Translation Notifications Bot is happy to help their friend [09:04:44] So Wikimedia is yelling at me about a squid error [09:04:50] Except my edits are still going through [09:05:11] that happens when the page's HTML is too slow to produce, usually [09:05:44] look for the HTML source and search the "serve by" and the "NewPP" lines, they have lovely stats [09:05:52] * served by [09:05:59] Thanks [09:06:54] Nemo_bis: thanks [09:06:58] cute, Special:NotifyTranslators gives 504 Gateway Time-out [09:07:04] lies, all lies [09:08:51] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=55397#c2 [09:11:55] ugh, I don't like the last lines of https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=notifytranslators [09:12:22] why are there so many skips? [09:12:58] * Nemo_bis cries https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Znocca&curid=2823388&action=history [09:13:16] :| [09:13:34] I set it medium priority, so the bot skips those who only asked to be notified about high priority [09:14:19] ah [09:19:42] I've added a notice https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3ATranslation_Notification_Bot&diff=6490055&oldid=5454602 [09:20:33] hmmmmmmmmmm https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciaal:Bijdragen/MediaWiki_message_delivery [09:29:06] http://tools.wmflabs.org/guc/?user=Translation%20Notification%20Bot confuses me: last crosswiki message was on 31.8 [10:25:55] And the one time you fucking look forward to a Squid Error, and you have 2 chances to get one, you don't fucking get one. [10:34:15] * SigmaWP is just slightly annoyed... sorry [11:12:17] ngiht [13:40:25] i just briefly got a 504 @ https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_deletions?action=info [13:42:59] wait, WOAH, what is up with the error count graph? [17:21:34] legoktm: That thread seems stupid. [17:21:37] Hi, there is some mark patrolled bug at nl-wiki, first versions of some of the new articles can't be marked as patrolled, is this a known bug (is there a known solution) [17:21:51] https://nl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Speciaal:NieuwePaginas&hidepatrolled=1 see the bottom 5 pages [17:22:24] https://nl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Speciaal%3ALogboeken&type=patrol&user=&page=Adel+%28Van+Damme%29&year=&month=-1&tagfilter=&hide_patrol_log=1&hide_thanks_log=1 everything but the 1st edit can be marked [17:22:32] https://nl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Adel_(Van_Damme)&action=history [18:01:38] error count chart is still being weird... [18:28:51] PinkAmpersand: so, the error graph has a hard Y-axis maximum of 500m (which would be equivalent to an exception or fatal every two seconds) [18:29:19] so doesn't that mean we're getting, like, a lot of errors right now...? [18:29:29] yes, it does [18:29:45] do we know why? [18:29:45] i reported it friday [18:29:49] let me dig up the bug [18:31:18] they're all https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57467 [18:31:39] so they're all /favicon.ico requests [18:32:17] so it's not world-ending for this error to be in production, but yes, it's a little embarrassing that it rolled into the weekend without anyone being especially alarmed [18:32:17] ah. i see. thanks [18:32:43] bump it up to major, maybe? [18:32:58] s/major/high [18:33:32] done [18:34:39] anyways, thanks for calling that out -- if you notice the error graph looking like that it's always good to call it out on irc [18:35:06] no problem [18:35:26] while i've got you, any idea why i got a 504 on https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_deletions?action=info a few hours ago? [18:39:24] nothing obvious jumps out at me, but i did just wake up so i'm a bit groggy [18:43:38] probably just a fluke. i'll file a bug or something if it happens again [18:46:01] bbl [19:12:04] I used special:nuke and got an error... [19:12:09] which I never got before [19:12:11] A database query error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. [19:12:13] Function: GlobalUsage::copyLocalImagelinks [19:12:14] Error: 1205 Lock wait timeout exceeded; try restarting transaction (10.64.32.29) [19:14:20] Trijnstel: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38028 ... [19:19:51] Steinsplitter: I don't think that's the same error.... [19:21:12] hmm :/ maby becous of the other errors, like a Treinongeluk [19:21:23] ? [19:21:30] so.... what should I do? [19:22:30] adding the error-thing to the bug [19:24:51] how many days "long" is the job queue right now? [19:26:14] jackmcbarn: we have some graphs somewhere. let me see if i can find them [19:29:58] Steinsplitter: done -> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38028#c6 [19:30:00] https://gdash.wikimedia.org/dashboards/jobq/ [19:30:50] * MatmaRex bows humbly towards Reedy [19:31:08] is it just me, or do we have like three or four different places that show different graphs? [19:31:08] That's not really much use [19:31:24] There's at least graphite (gash) and nagios [19:31:28] Doesn't icinga complain too? [19:31:40] nagioas has graphs? [19:31:40] is the amount that the queue goes down equal to recycled + run + duplicate run + abandoned? [19:31:44] i was thinking about ganglia [19:32:01] (my goal is to estimate how long it will be until a job added to the queue just now gets ran) [19:32:18] Uh [19:32:22] I meant ganglia, not nagios [19:32:25] icinga replaced nagios [19:32:49] Reedy: also, is graphite supposed to be public? because i can't access it, and i'm not sure if that's normal [19:33:06] Nope [19:33:19] nope, as in private, or nope, as in not normal? [19:34:23] private [19:34:30] hmph. okay. [19:34:42] jackmcbarn: Reedy: we had some job queue length graphs too D: [19:34:57] or you could try looking at, uh… [19:34:57] which wiki? [19:35:27] enwp [19:36:21] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=siteinfo&siprop=statistics [19:36:28] this says "jobs="294227"" [19:36:31] isn't days a incorrect way to look at the job queue, since parallel jobs, different priority jobs etc [19:36:34] not sure if it's believeable, though. [19:37:08] (that is linked at the bottom of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Statistics ) [19:37:16] mwscreedy@tin:~$ mwscript showJobs.php enwiki [19:37:17] 294199 [19:37:33] ok, so that is believable then. [19:39:05] is a few hours a reasonable estimate, or am i way off (high or low)? [19:43:11] It's not exactly estimateable [19:43:18] You need to take into account the jobs on all the other wikis [19:43:52] JOBQUEUE CRITICAL - the following wikis have more than 199,999 jobs: , enwiki (294080), Total (382741) [19:44:21] Currently being queued at over 5000/minute and run at just over 4000 jobs a minute [20:17:19] Reedy: We changed a high use template on the newp [20:17:21] *enwp [20:17:48] lol [20:17:49] gj [20:18:38] 2 days ago, used on 886,371 pages [20:19:20] "The parser is totally fast enough" - No one ever [20:19:32] And I noticed that a lot of pages are still out of date, so that might explain the big jobqueue [20:20:09] Reedy: Wait till Wikidata starts doing tracking and purging, that will kill performance! :P [20:20:25] what is OAuth ? [20:20:44] and what is oauthadmin for and who gives it? [20:20:45] Cladis: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/OAuth ;) [20:21:05] Cladis: Try https://tools.wmflabs.org/gerrit-patch-uploader/ to see it in action [20:21:49] thanks for a link is the page or some sections in it stable? i mean on mww? if yes then it should be marked for translation [20:21:52] hoo [20:22:59] Cladis: Sorry, I don't really know, but I guess that's more or less stable [20:23:13] yet alone because we have the bad habit of not updating documentation often [20:23:53] oh wow no more need to fight with console and weird programs to fix bugs? coool [21:56:05] legoktm: isn't there a limit that the MM can't create user pages? [21:56:34] legoktm: and how can the current Edwartsbot users continu using sending messages? [21:56:57] > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Global_message_delivery/Access_list [22:04:53] Romaine: edwardsbot will only be disabled on december 31, if memory serves [22:05:15] yes, but I still need to send the GLAM newsletter [22:05:28] Romaine: right now you can use both, so that other tools which used edwardsbot can continue to use it while they're being adjusted [22:05:41] (i think. i am not using either.) [22:05:46] Elsie: help? ^ [22:05:47] I currently can't use MassMessage [22:06:46] Romaine: i think edwardsbot currently continues to work in exactly the same way it worked [22:07:35] I do not have to send a newsletter now, but in future, I wanr to be prepaired [22:08:21] Romaine: legoktm and Elsie are the people to ask (when they're around), or you can comment on the extension's talk page [22:08:35] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_talk:MassMessage [22:08:48] * Romaine was waiting for legoktm yes [23:03:23] hi [23:03:50] Romaine: yes, MM can only post in user talk, project spaces. On meta it can also post in mainspace. This can be configured per-wiki [23:04:47] you wrote before that the MM can create user pages, that is why I asked [23:04:51] Romaine: and there's a proposal on meta right now to create a separate group for massmessage, because right now its restricted to sysops. I recommend you use edwardsbot for the next few days since there's a bug in MM which is breaking cross-wiki delivery [23:04:58] no, it can create user-talk pages [23:05:19] ow user talk, oke [23:05:55] so I don't have to apply for adminship on meta thern