[02:05:46] * Elsie snuggles closedmouth. [02:15:53] > Because of the risk of server lag, voters are advised to cast their vote at the latest an hour before the close of voting to ensure their vote will be counted. [02:15:59] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee_Elections_December_2013 [02:16:02] Cute. [02:22:17] server lag? [02:22:21] We have an hour of replag now? [04:57:45] Reedy: its the easiest way to make the point [12:35:26] andre__: Hi Andre [12:35:34] hi Kelson [12:35:43] andre__: I have created 3 new tasks from Kiwix for Android http://www.google-melange.com/gci/dashboard/google/gci2013#all_org_tasks [12:36:01] andre__: would you be able to valid them? [12:36:27] Kelson, sure, I'll take a look [12:36:53] andre__: thank you [12:38:04] Kelson, they look good (great descriptions, thanks!). All published. [12:38:17] andre__: perfect :) [12:39:06] Kelson, if I was you I'd add slightly more time (2 days feels short if students need to find out some stuff first and also have reallife interfering), but that's up to you :) [12:39:49] andre__: ok, I will, I used to under-evaluate necessary time. You probably are 100% right. [12:40:09] but we can always extend the time if they run out of it. no big problem [12:42:28] andre__: Do we have a way/url to see Kiwix tasks, without login in google-melange web site? [12:43:35] Kelson, direct URLs to specific tasks seem to work without being logged in, like https://google-melange.appspot.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2013/5418398938824704 [12:43:41] but for an overview... hmm. don't know [12:44:19] andre__: ok, I'm a little bit surprised about this... in term of communication/advertising this is not so great from Google. [12:44:31] and https://google-melange.appspot.com/gci/tasks/google/gci2013 is an overview, but not sure if you can pass parameters in the URL [12:45:14] Kelson, yeah, telling people to go to that last URL and then entering "kiwix" in the "Tags" field seems to be the way to go [12:46:01] andre__: yes, this url is good. thx [12:46:14] np [12:47:10] "You have 120 hours to complete this task, good luck!" Does this mean that the task gets back to the pool after that time? [12:47:36] Nemo_bis: yes [12:48:20] ok [12:49:12] Nemo_bis, if the student has not linked/uploaded any work and clicked the "Request review" button, yes [12:49:13] andre__: many of the candidate tasks bugs in the [[mw:GCI]] query are REOPENED, wouldn't it be better to filter those? https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&keywords=easy&keywords_type=allwords&list_id=251385&product=MediaWiki&product=MediaWiki%20extensions&query_format=advanced&resolution=---&status_whiteboard=gci2013&status_whiteboard_type=notregexp&order=bug_ [12:49:58] I see [12:50:05] Nemo_bis, (URL truncated). Filter for what? Remove them from the query? [12:50:29] so we can use this system to "throttle" the workload for specific mentors/areas (I'm thinking of l10n of course) [12:50:38] andre__: yes, or quickly retriage them [12:50:54] Hmm. That query is meant to offer some ideas only. The tasks would still have to be reviewed before turning them into GCI tasks and putting them into Google melange [12:51:07] Sure, sure [12:51:17] lunchtime [12:51:56] andre__: hey [12:52:02] morn paravoid [12:52:16] andre__: could I use your bugzilla admin rights & skills for something? :-) [12:52:24] I keep getting Cc'ed for deployment-prep bugs [12:52:29] which I know nothing about [12:52:44] I used to be more involved in that project, so I guess someone added me there a while ago [12:52:49] paravoid, sure you can [12:53:08] but it's just mails filling my inbox now [12:53:38] paravoid, shall I remove you from default CC maybe? :P [12:53:50] for deployment-prep? [12:53:53] yes [12:54:02] I'm on the default Cc? [12:54:04] Wikimedia Labs > deployment-prep (beta) [12:54:06] okay, that would explain it :) [12:54:06] yes you are [12:54:09] yes please [12:54:12] but now I removed you [12:54:15] paravoid, alright :) [12:54:19] fot future reference, can I do that myself or does it need an admin? [12:54:31] for* [12:54:45] paravoid, currently it needs an admin (sigh). once I've fixed https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37105 this can be done by anybody [12:54:58] awesome [12:54:59] thanks :-) [12:55:29] np [13:48:22] WOW, apertium has 1880 tasks https://www.google-melange.com/gci/org/google/gci2013/apertium [13:49:46] though quite mysterious ones [15:58:50] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Liangent/User:Pyrospirit/metadata/assesslinks.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript seems too aggressively cached server-side [15:59:09] shift-reload didn't work for me [15:59:16] don't know why [16:03:09] liangent: that's why you should not use them like that. [16:03:12] liangent: aren't you supposed to specify the cache expiry yourself? most import script calls have one I think [16:03:20] add max-age or something like that on those urls [16:04:24] Nemo_bis_: that's what importScript() uses [16:08:17] ehm. it is ? [16:08:54] well in that case, it's probably the default, and that used to be 5 minutes I think... [16:09:43] and if you make two changes in succession, you often required an explicit purge if i remember correctly [16:10:57] thedj[work]: action=purge? [16:12:49] that one yes. [16:13:38] it might be that we changed the cache duration of default raw requests somewhere this year.. i'm not sure to be honest. [16:44:13] hashar: thanks a ton for your comments [16:46:20] mwalker|away: ping? [16:46:40] and 3rd parsoid bug :D [16:46:57] today is the SoS, I think the PDF sprint happens outside of any team, so I don't think anyone has it on their agenda to give an update [16:47:36] mwalker|away: I can give one based on yesterday's conversation but it'd be even better if you joined to give it [16:51:05] greg-g: I have tried to write down as many thoughts as I could since I don't attend the meeting, while being concise since you are short on time :/ [16:55:47] hashar: it was perfect [17:14:07] paravoid: pong [17:16:40] mwalker: hey [17:16:42] 18:46 < paravoid> today is the SoS, I think the PDF sprint happens outside of any team, so I don't think anyone has it on their agenda to give an update [17:16:46] 18:47 < paravoid> mwalker|away: I can give one based on yesterday's conversation but it'd be even better if you joined to give it [17:16:59] what is the SoS? [17:17:22] scrum of scrums, presumably [17:17:47] oh yes, sorry [17:17:51] what ori said [17:17:56] S² [17:18:35] SoS sounds better [17:18:42] applicable to our situation some times [17:19:10] heh; do you want me to just send a report to ottomata? or do I need to attend that meeting? [18:21:01] mwalker: the meeting is really short (30', starting in 5'), so I think if you can make it you'd represent the project better [18:21:08] mwalker: but if you can't, I can give the update for you [18:21:16] yep; I can make it; where is it at? [18:21:26] physically? no idea :) [18:21:38] I'll need the virtual option [18:21:39] it's on the eng. calendar [18:21:44] ok; looking there [18:22:22] btw, is anyone from fundraising attending this time? do you know? [18:23:23] K4-713 is around [18:23:32] I don't know if she's attending the Scrum of Scrums [18:25:22] * K4-713 grumbles loudly about more overhead right at Go Time. [18:33:29] K4-713: Is it time for another ceiling K4? :P [18:34:05] ...Yes. [18:34:12] Almost certainly. [18:35:26] * marktraceur sets to work [18:38:03] :) [18:38:20] Cloning, or photoshopping? [18:38:22] I mean, either way. [19:35:39] Reedy: thank you :DDD [19:36:21] Oh [19:36:24] You're here but hiding ;) [19:37:08] I was stalking SAL on my phone :P [19:44:58] Reedy: something is wrong... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/MessengerBot [19:45:42] ugh_: ? [19:45:51] Oh [19:45:54] I bet I know [19:45:56] * Reedy kicks Elfix [19:46:00] Sorry [19:46:04] * Reedy kicks Elsie [19:46:42] it got lost in the rebase: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/91344/6..7/wmf-config/CommonSettings.php [19:46:52] No, I removed it [19:47:02] er, why? [19:47:19] Elsie said it was the default in the extension now [19:47:27] Which might be the case for wmf4 but not wmf3 [19:47:32] :/ [19:47:42] Easily enough fixed [19:47:44] well, there was no harm in hard-coding it in the config... [19:47:45] :P [19:48:01] Duplicating defaults creates maintenance load [19:48:50] phew [19:48:57] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Legoktm#User:MessengerBot [19:49:18] ugh_: Just rename the user accoun t:D [19:49:55] lolwut [19:50:02] +sysop doesn't give rename user [19:50:31] Reedy: make yourself a crat then! [19:50:33] also [19:50:38] this account exists on all WMF wikis by now [19:50:48] Really? [19:51:03] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=newusers&user=&page=MessengerBot&year=&month=-1&tagfilter=&hide_patrol_log=1&hide_review_log=1&hide_thanks_log=1 [19:51:05] well, it gets autocreated the first time a message is sent or an echo notification is triggered [19:51:33] echo notification is going to happen near instantly on most wikis [19:52:48] Also, it's not all WMF wikis [19:52:52] All non closed Wikipedias only [19:54:14] well [19:54:15] okay [19:54:22] https://toolserver.org/~quentinv57/tools/sulinfo.php?username=MessengerBot [19:54:28] That suggests < 10 [19:54:33] But no enwiki [19:55:55] interesting [19:56:00] i thought it would have been faster [20:02:21] ugh_: maybe magically created accounts don't fire the Echo hooks? [20:02:34] or it's just replag. [20:03:06] MatmaRex: not that. whenever an echo notification is created (for whatever reason), if the MM account doesnt exist, it will automatically create [20:03:22] ah. huh. [20:03:24] see https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-MassMessage/blob/master/MassMessage.hooks.php#L163 [20:03:37] MassMessage::getMessengerUser() will autocreate the user if it doesn't exist yet [20:03:59] ah, but it's just for mentions [20:04:08] i guess people don't mention each other all that often [20:04:38] oh right. [20:04:40] yeah, guess not. [20:11:40] where my style sheets at? [20:12:30] * PinkAmpersand goes to check the error counts, but finds the tinyurl link in the topic is broken [20:13:01] Hmm [20:13:07] That might be mw1152 [20:13:09] to ganglia! [20:14:23] PinkAmpersand: Where in the world are oyu? [20:14:30] near Boston [20:15:11] style sheets disappear for a minute or two from time to time, but this is more serious than I've ever seen it before [20:15:22] same here [20:15:56] I also have a problem in Sweden - on and off [20:16:11] Yes, also here. [20:16:58] PinkAmpersand: Were you not around last monday? [20:17:23] Reedy: why? was it worse then? if it was, then no, I guess I wasn't around. :P [20:20:05] same problems in France with css [20:20:56] shouldn't that be SSC? ;) [20:29:39] Reedy: will the name of the User:MediaWiki message delivery be the same on every project? [20:30:13] should be [20:30:16] ok [20:30:20] It might be overrideable [20:30:23] I'm not sure [20:30:58] I just want to prevent last circumstances and already create a user page to make sure local users are informed before it gets active [20:31:10] Romaine: its the same on every project [20:31:22] ok [22:18:23] excuse me [22:18:42] I was wondering if there is an offical process to become a tech ambassador [22:19:10] I suppose you just need to sign on revalent list [22:19:21] and start doing the stuff) [22:22:29] just curious where do you sign up. I don't think I'm quite ready. [22:22:41] and would you get operator status at this chanel or something. [22:23:00] I am going to start with something smaller, even though they are big Brickipedia Tech Support [22:23:35] tech ambassador doesn't really have anything to do with the channel [22:24:11] and i'd say you'd sign up https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-ambassadors and make sure you're on https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l [22:25:02] oh so you sign up your email, get earlier little tech updates, and then work on the tech forum, and come to the chat o help, report, and answe rbugs and all [22:26:03] i'm honestly not 100% sure how it works [22:27:45] I assume your point of view as right but im not aware about how existing ones really do it.