[00:00:58] don't you have some excess "t2 in there [00:00:59] Though I <3 guillom. [00:01:16] Nemo_bis: Probably. [00:01:36] It's difficult to keep up with the stupid names. [00:01:57] Engineering Community Team [00:02:04] they just dropped another t I think [00:02:27] Elsie: does WMF lack a recursive acronym? [00:02:36] Like "E3 Experiments"? [00:02:47] I guess that isn't recursive. [00:02:51] PNIS? [00:02:52] Nope [00:02:57] hmm [00:02:59] Umm... [00:03:16] hrm [00:05:52] I don't track recursive acronyms. [00:05:55] I do track euphemisms. [00:18:37] Elsie: Do you remember the previous name of ECT? [00:18:53] Ummmm. [00:18:59] Not off-hand. [00:19:26] TL;DR, I guess. [00:19:40] Yup [00:19:55] It seems we have a strong track record of terrible naming. [00:20:02] RoanKattouw: Technical Liason and Developer Relations [00:20:12] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/ECT#Engineering_Community_Team [00:20:16] It's there. [00:20:18] Spoiler. [05:06:33] [[Tech]]; MZMcBride; /* Fixing MediaWiki:Gadget-SBHandler.js to load earlier */ +reply; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=6358523&oldid=6340630&rcid=4663364 [05:11:38] [[Tech]]; MZMcBride; /* Remove rollback button */ +reply; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=6358545&oldid=6358523&rcid=4663365 [05:13:05] [[Tech]]; MZMcBride; /* Batch/offline editing of Wikimedia contents */ +reply; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=6358552&oldid=6358545&rcid=4663366 [05:19:57] [[Tech]]; MZMcBride; /* Wrong MediaWiki message in de.wiktionary */ +reply; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=6358573&oldid=6358552&rcid=4663367 [05:20:04] Who else has questions? [05:20:42] * ori-l raises his hands. [05:20:59] [[Tech]]; MZMcBride; /* CYR/LAT solution in Serbian Wikipedia */ +reply; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=6358582&oldid=6358573&rcid=4663368 [05:21:04] ori-l: Yes? [05:21:11] Can I go to the bathroom? [05:21:44] Have you scheduled a window or are you riding the train? [05:22:30] It's a lightning deploy. [05:22:35] If you know what I mean. [05:23:12] I'd be more concerned if there were thunder. [05:24:18] How difficult would it be to make PHP exceptions exceptional? [05:24:30] On Wikimedia wikis, I mean. [05:24:48] Perhaps I only mean uncaught exceptions. [05:25:30] From an outsider perspective, it seems we log a lot of issues, but nobody has time or inclination to address them. [05:25:33] Maybe. [05:26:16] It's a complex problem with a social aspect [05:26:41] What isn't? [05:29:25] Anyone know anything about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#logged-out_way_too_often [05:29:50] lexein: are you experiencing it too? [05:30:13] Nope, not at all. Just thought I'd ask on behalf [05:30:49] I saw that thread earlier today. [05:30:58] I think I'm having that issue, but I'm not sure. [05:31:07] I started poking at that earlier [05:31:10] let me look again [05:31:44] I've had my own network troubles, but not only have I not been logged out, but my unsaved editing sessions haven't been lost when I got net-chopped yay [05:32:32] I could swear I lost my session mid-way through VisualEditoring a page. [05:32:44] But who knows. [05:34:01] Oh - I never use VE - my whole computer doesn't like it - doesn't work well in any of my 4 all-up-to-date browsers, more's the pity [05:37:47] I'm going to restart the clock, and log out/log in right now. [05:37:58] see if it happens [05:44:48] lexein: It'll take me a bit to investigate this. At minimum, I'll reply on VPT with a bug #. [05:45:40] No problem. I hope it's real, any straightforward to detect. Good hunting. [05:45:50] any->and [06:40:41] Hello! Tell me please: where I can find categories list in the dumps of Wikipedia? - in the same file, where all the articles? [13:58:01] repeating my API question since I didn't get any response a few hours ago. To edit you need a token, and you need a new token for every edit. Is it possible to both save and get a new token with the same request? [14:00:48] skalman12: No, that would defeat the purpose. [14:03:22] Krenair: why would it defeat the purpose? note that I want the edittoken that I can use for the *next* edit returned (if the edit was a success) [14:04:18] For the next one instead? Hmm... [14:05:12] Krenair: my edits: 1: get token, 2: edit, 3: get token, 4: edit - I want to combine 2 and 3 [14:05:51] Well it's certainly not possible at the moment [14:06:07] Krenair: should I file a bug? [14:06:19] it might be a good idea to implement though... consider making a bug [14:07:24] the edit token doesn't change within a session, so you can just get it once and cache it [14:08:48] MrZ-man: doesn't it change after you have edited? :o [14:09:02] no - https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Edit#Token [14:10:55] skalman12, you don't need a new token everytime. As far as I know, the token remains the same while logged in. [14:14:52] MrZ-man, Cyberpower678: okay - I don't know what made me think that you need a new one for each edit - thanks :) [18:50:12] 503s ahoy [18:50:24] all wikis down for logged in users [18:50:33] Intermittently down [18:50:37] 503s on en.wp [18:50:41] outage for me. [18:50:41] meta too [18:50:59] NL is slow. [18:51:15] i have a full cluster outage. [18:51:45] About 4 in 5 requests for me are 503s [18:52:52] Amazing timing for a cluster outage [18:52:57] Reedy: You haven't started yet, have you? [18:53:34] marktraceur: he was just doing prep so far [18:54:01] according to https://twitter.com/wikimediatech he synced docroot 15 minutes ago. [18:54:17] !sal [18:54:17] https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Server_Admin_Log [18:54:17] We do deployment updates over twitter? :/ [18:54:31] marktraceur: i think the SAL is piped there [18:54:37] jorm: yeah, that's just prep stuff [18:54:41] yes. wikimediatech just pings out the logs. [18:57:36] when do the js removals go live for old functions? [18:58:32] Betacommand: depends on which functions. some went out last week. [18:59:09] Betacommand: well-written old code using them will probably just stop doing anything instead of exploding, add ?debug=true to page URL and open your browser's console to see deprecation notices [18:59:35] MatmaRex: are there docs for what was removed and replacement functionality? [19:00:06] Fucking internet [19:00:07] Betacommand: not sure, but the deprecation notices include brief information about what to use instead [19:00:20] Betacommand: notably deprecated, but not removed are addOnloadHook and appendCSS [19:00:31] and addHandler [19:00:48] MrZ-man: addHandler is actually one of the functions that no longer work. [19:01:33] Betacommand: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/ResourceLoader/JavaScript_Deprecations#wikibits.js [19:01:34] MatmaRex: I need to update a lot of code and was wondering about the docs [19:02:12] Thanks RobH [19:02:20] welcome [19:02:25] :) [19:03:04] Betacommand: the ones you're most likely to encounter are the old event adding functions and global getElementsByClassName, both are easy to replace with jQuery [19:03:09] OMG! top priority must this be! : Bugzilla Service disruption 126 ms98.0% [19:04:06] Hm, site is feeling faster again. [19:04:12] No errors. ;) But lagggggggg [19:22:22] * marktraceur very much looking forward to deploying after this mess [19:28:32] man i hope i dont regret that topic update. [19:28:37] stay up site! [19:28:45] Heh [19:29:09] :P [19:29:49] (folks are still tracing down outage issues and the like but the site should be up now i think) [19:49:36] CSS is acting weird. [19:50:07] JavaScript also. [19:50:41] sjoerddebruin: Weird how? [19:51:09] Not loading. Or just a part. But I think it’s fixed now. [19:54:50] not fixed: skin is gone [19:55:00] only plain text and images shown [19:55:32] Probably a RL cache issue [19:55:52] loading slowly [19:55:59] for some time already [19:56:36] and not completely loading [19:56:49] Romaine: I'm seeing CSS and JS loading, but maybe they're cached for me [19:57:42] Yeah, Reedy started syncing recentlny [19:57:46] some pages do show finje now [19:57:50] but load slowwwww [19:57:57] or incomplete [19:58:04] So it's probably the sync that's taken our get-up-and-go [19:58:08] It should get fixed soon [19:58:54] js not loading [19:58:57] css is loading [19:59:47] Not much we can do about it mid-sync [20:00:54] css + js not loading [20:01:00] goes up and down [20:34:03] keeps very slow [20:34:20] Ugh, terrible [20:34:47] greg-g: Issues ongoing (re: these two still complaining) or is it fixed and just recovering? [20:35:09] Romaine: what are you experiencing? [20:35:37] veryyyyyyy slow loading [20:35:49] js and css not loading [20:35:54] Like on a mobile with a very bad connection. [20:35:57] no skin shown [20:36:51] Ops are waware [20:37:45] @Romaine: Then you're lucky. I get nothing at all. [20:37:46] yeah, bits. is having issues [20:37:55] fun morning [20:38:11] Morning?? ;-) [20:38:35] Morning? [20:39:52] well, it started this morning, it's only 12:40 where I am now :) [20:40:17] TZAG (timezone appropriate grumble) [20:40:33] Oh, I didn't check wp this often today, so I didn't notice earlier. [20:42:57] coming in late, enwiki is very slow, pages look odd, no Twinkle, etc [20:43:23] Doug_Weller: ops are aware [20:43:28] Doug_Weller: Known issue :) [20:43:31] problem with servers that provide js / css etc [20:43:32] Doug_Weller: Thanks for the report though! [20:43:40] keeps on going [20:43:42] ok, thanks [20:43:43] someone update /topic then :) [20:44:06] Damn, RoanKattouw beat me there [20:44:28] he always does [20:44:45] oh dear, 5xx errors 300 k/min [20:44:49] these bits issues thats why i see no css? [20:44:55] Base: yes [20:45:05] perhaps mentioning the issues people experience? "bits issues" doesn't say much to most non-tech people [20:45:14] Base: bits = the servers that serve all JS and CSS for the wikis [20:45:24] (and some other stuff too) [20:52:28] MatmaRex: i'm not as noob :) [20:53:21] For me it takes ages to see _anything_ at all... [22:46:45] greg-g: hey. just wonering what time is MassMessage going out? [22:58:47] Ehhh [23:55:52] [[Tech]]; Tbayer (WMF); /* CYR/LAT solution in Serbian Wikipedia */; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=6367668&oldid=6358582&rcid=4664359