[02:00:24] beta labs is showing up on irc.wikimedia.org... https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56758 [02:01:04] <^d> Looking [02:01:13] thanks [02:01:16] possibly d2f56de47caceafc5e250252044c430db06fedeb ? [02:02:26] yeah, I think so. Just going to revert it for now [02:03:14] <^d> Looks likely. [02:03:20] <^d> I've got a fix. [02:03:25] <^d> Easier than rv. [02:04:00] ok [02:04:25] i have to run, sorry [02:04:46] <^d> I got it, no worries. [02:04:53] i'd probably revert, fwiw [02:05:12] can always add a separate commit on top to re-enable + fix [02:05:28] <^d> Meh, fix is just as easy. [02:05:33] <^d> And should've been done originally :p [02:07:50] <^d> legoktm: Patch should be live shortly. [02:08:00] thank you :DDD [02:08:08] Jasper_Deng thanks you as well! [02:08:37] ty [02:10:37] <^d> Ok, fix is live. Things looking ok now? [02:11:26] yeah [02:12:16] <^d> Good :) [02:12:21] <^d> I'll close the bug. [02:13:18] heh, I just did [02:39:19] Hello [02:39:45] https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Caf%C3%A9/Archivo/Ayuda/Actual#Barra_de_caracteres [02:40:56] The users from the Spanish Wikipedia are experiencing several problems with many gadgets. [02:42:15] There haven't been recent interface changes, as seen here: https://es.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?namespace=8&tagfilter=&title=Especial%3ACambiosRecientes [02:42:40] maybe its the javascript deprecation? [02:43:13] http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-ambassadors/2013-October/000471.html [02:43:32] It indeed is. [02:43:54] A local user just found a solution. [02:43:58] Thanks :) [02:44:00] http://www.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fes.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FWikipedia%3ACaf%C3%A9%2FArchivo%2FAyuda%2FActual%23Barra_de_caracteres&sandbox=1 [02:44:51] " A recent change MediaWiki changed an interface with an obsolete function. Solution for MediaWiki: Gadget-DetectaDesambiguaciones.js . Thanks for the heads Metronome . " [08:16:59] [[Tech]]; MF-Warburg; /* rollback */ new section; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=6297903&oldid=6288657&rcid=4656387 [08:40:30] [[Tech]]; Nemo bis; /* rollback */ +re; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=6298048&oldid=6297903&rcid=4656397 [08:57:41] How is an "email from a mail client" more traditional than an email from a telnet session? --https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Billinghurst&curid=144231&diff=6296758&oldid=6296321 [09:16:44] wow that guy doesn't have a clue what he's doing [09:56:22] [[Tech]]; Billinghurst; /* Remove rollback button */ can do it for special ns; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=6298571&oldid=6298048&rcid=4656433 [10:32:40] TimStarling: was http://www.shopgoodwill.com/viewItem.asp?itemID=14637682 a former Wikimedia server? [10:32:45] looks like it, kinda [10:38:19] could be [10:40:10] Jasper_Deng: http://images.shopgoodwill.com/81/11-1-2013/sa5753229111-dy.jpg [10:40:24] there's some labels, they don't match ours at all [10:49:20] Hi, on cawiki the popups aren't working. Any idea around? [11:23:39] [[Tech]]; MF-Warburg; /* Remove rollback button */; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=6299206&oldid=6298571&rcid=4656488 [11:24:25] [[Tech]]; MF-Warburg; /* Remove rollback button */ more stylish indentation; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=6299214&oldid=6299206&rcid=4656489 [11:24:38] [[Tech]]; MF-Warburg; /* Remove rollback button */ facepalm; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=6299219&oldid=6299214&rcid=4656490 [11:37:42] [[Tech]]; Billinghurst; /* Remove rollback button */ that will take a javascript; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=6299291&oldid=6299219&rcid=4656492 [18:21:45] 504 Gateway time-out [18:22:19] For Commons, de.wikipedia. From Europe. 504 Gateway Time-out nginx/1.1.19 [18:22:22] we're looking at it [18:22:31] on nl.wiki as well [18:22:37] 504 Gateway Time-outnginx/1.1.19 [18:22:45] data and en.news as well [18:22:53] ack! [18:23:07] (from South Korea.) [18:23:21] Who killed the servers? [18:23:27] Request: GET http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Multimedia/About_Media_Viewer, from 10.64.0.138 via cp1015.eqiad.wmnet (squid/2.7.STABLE9) to () [18:23:28] Error: ERR_CANNOT_FORWARD, errno (11) Resource temporarily unavailable at Fri, 08 Nov 2013 18:23:12 GMT [18:24:02] <^d> We're aware of the outage, trying to figure out what's going on now. [18:24:05] Request: GET http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Watchlist, from *.*.*.* via cp1052 cp1052 ([10.64.32.104]:3128), Varnish XID 1476950978 [18:24:05] Forwarded for: 110.70.31.12, 10.128.0.109, 10.128.0.109, 10.128.0.110 [18:24:05] Error: 503, Service Unavailable at Fri, 08 Nov 2013 18:21:18 GMT [18:24:18] upps. [18:24:50] Thanks for make me to bed [18:25:04] Sigh, I just wanted to delete something... [18:25:23] natuur12: You pressed the wrong button! [18:25:30] And deleted the entire wiki [18:26:47] Are you guys like, ehm, the monkeys of YouTube? :) [18:28:06] Hello, I received the error "Request: GET http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=dilettante&go=Look+up, from 10.64.32.107 via cp1054 cp1054 ([10.64.32.106]:3128), Varnish XID 3531832208 Forwarded for: 71.104.223.68, 10.64.32.107 Error: 503, Service Unavailable at Fri, 08 Nov 2013 18:23:41 GMT" Is this being already being resolved? [18:28:36] mermaid: thanks, on it [18:28:44] thank you! [18:29:04] mermaid: issues started about 11 minutes ago [18:29:49] Is this the appropriate method of reporting technical problems or is there a preferred site that I should bookmark? [18:29:50] status gives "Data could not be loaded at this time. Please try again in a minute." [18:30:58] mermaid: this is just fine, thanks for jumping in here [18:31:10] Folks in Operations are on it. :) [18:31:11] oh, hey StevenW, you exist. [18:31:15] Yep [18:31:37] There is no life beside wiki [18:31:43] What to do, what to do [18:34:06] mermaid: should be recovering now [18:34:26] thanks! you guys are great! [18:34:56] Yeee wiki is back [18:35:14] oh wait, still getting the same error [18:35:45] Working but laggy [18:36:17] natuur12: i am now experienced the same lag, but working [18:36:37] http isn't working thought https is [18:37:20] Mobile's working fine, too. [18:40:30] I see Twinkle isn't loading...is this normal? [18:40:43] Possibly [18:40:47] cheese: Wikipedia is having issues, give it a bit. [18:40:50] There's other problems so I wouldn't worry about it [18:40:53] for now [18:40:56] win 25 [18:40:59] whoops [18:41:10] kthx [19:18:21] gwicke: do you have a couple of minutes? [19:59:39] mwalker: sure [20:01:33] [[Tech]]; Ruslik0; /* Remove rollback button */; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=6303542&oldid=6299291&rcid=4657026 [20:04:30] gwicke: I think your plan for PDF rendering is to use the visualeditor API call to get parsoid dom; massage that (probably 'client side' on the renderer in JS); and then run a headless scripted webkit (w/ bookjs) to render, and then save to PDF? [20:05:09] [[Tech]]; PiRSquared17; /* Remove rollback button */; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=6303566&oldid=6303542&rcid=4657032 [20:05:12] or we could just tell people to print to pdf from their browser ;) [20:05:48] problem with that is that bookjs has some annoying dependencies that rely on experimental webkit features -- but; if we dropped the bookjs dependency yes that would work [20:07:23] <^d> brion: Doesn't every operating system have a "to PDF" option when you click File -> Print ? :p [20:07:43] mwalker: better to call the parsoid api directly [20:07:46] ^d: it's in some browsers too (firefox) [20:07:48] no need for the ve stuff around it [20:08:08] and yes for the last part [20:08:37] sadly the blink port is not ready yet afaik, so to my knowledge the css region stuff for good book.js results is not yet there [20:08:42] <^d> jeremyb: Firefox wouldn't have to add such a feature if other operating systems Just Did It :p [20:08:44] I'm unfamiliar with the parsoid api -- have any documentaiton? [20:09:05] mwalker: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Parsoid#The_Parsoid_web_API [20:09:12] gwicke: yep; that's the case -- I was trying to rig a full version of webkit up to python and contorl it that way :) [20:09:19] ^d: Windows might prefer to print to some custom MS format [20:09:24] but i know you can jump through hoops :) [20:09:29] in prod that is http://10.2.2.29 [20:09:39] <^d> brion: Yeah, you spend time finding some silly driver to install. [20:09:50] <^d> So Windows thinks you've got a printer [20:09:50] ^d: :) [20:09:53] <^d> That then goes to PDF. [20:09:54] it's called Firefox :) [20:09:59] mwalker: will have a public IP any day now too [20:10:08] <^d> brion: It's called making a trip to the Apple store ;-) [20:10:16] ugh; apple products [20:10:30] <^d> ugh, apple haters. [20:10:33] :D [20:10:36] hehe [20:10:52] i have mixed feelings about apple [20:10:56] mwalker: the alternative would be to only do simple print stylesheet tweaking and then add book.js later [20:10:59] give me a appletop with a nubbin mouse and I might consider it [20:10:59] certainly not everyone should have one [20:11:11] the quality would be worse re footnotes, large tables etc [20:11:15] but it would work [20:11:39] we can then make it nicer once the blink port is ready [20:11:42] nods; that's probably a good place to start [20:12:04] if i had a good non-apple laptop with all the things i like about my apple laptop, and the ability to run mac os x with gfx acceleration in a VM, that'd be just great [20:12:16] mwalker: if we end up using the phantom web server, then I have a good node wrapper around it that spoon-feeds it requests etc [20:12:26] and starts up enough phantomjs backends to use all cores [20:12:27] unfortunately apple's the only one i can run all the others on without hackintosh fun [20:12:41] mwalker: it is in the math extension, mathoid subdir [20:13:21] gwicke: awesome; I'll take a look at it [20:13:29] that sounds fairly reasonable [20:13:48] the built-in webserver cannot do concurrency and is case sensitive re http headers [20:13:58] also persistent connections hang easily [20:14:08] in short, it won't work without spoon-feeding it [20:14:48] hurm; might be better then to write a python script to act as the server then [20:14:52] PDF generation might be heavy enough that starting up a new process from scratch might be fine though [20:15:09] mwalker: the node wrapper does that already [20:15:37] also restarts the backend on error [20:16:14] I used to like Twisted, but now I'm spoilt by JS perf ;) [20:25:41] gwicke: I think you just have a node.js hammer and like to use it :p [20:26:02] whereas; I have a python hammer and like to use that [20:26:22] hehe, yeah- maybe [20:26:39] although the performance difference is hard to ignore these days [20:27:27] http://benchmarksgame.alioth.debian.org/u64/benchmark.php?test=all&lang=v8&lang2=python3&data=u64 [20:28:23] median 12 times faster [20:45:59] [[Tech]]; MF-Warburg; /* Remove rollback button */; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=6303888&oldid=6303566&rcid=4657090 [21:01:47] Krinkle|detached: is "Use of getPreventDefault() is deprecated. Use defaultPrevented instead" one of the things I'm supposed to report? [21:02:25] ah, this reminds me something [21:02:43] ori-l: how do I clear localstorage? [21:02:54] localStorage.clear(); [21:04:42] ori-l: and how did I know if I was successful? [21:04:46] *do I [21:06:01] for (var key in localStorage) console.log(key); [21:07:10] undefined [21:27:44] Nemo_bis: because you cleared it [21:32:01] oki [22:10:26] strange with API, I can't log-in "Our servers are currently experiencing a technical problem." but I can edit. [22:46:59] andre__: Thehelpfulone: default cc on site reqs pls, kthx :) [23:44:21] greg-g: Did MassMessage ever get updated on testwiki? I don't think it did [23:45:07] I can't help reading that MassMassage every single time [23:45:35] can we get the info on SF massages benefits published on Meta? :) [23:46:12] oh, maybe it did [23:46:13] hm [23:46:35] MassMassage [23:46:44] heh [23:47:20] well, I'm confused. [23:47:59] http://test.wikipedia.org/w/extensions/MassMessage/README.md is not up to date, but the message at https://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log/massmessage is. Maybe that's because of l10nupdate? [23:48:55] The prior is likely cachec [23:48:59] *cached [23:49:02] oh, Reedy's here [23:49:03] And yes, of course it was updated [23:49:07] :) [23:49:14] okay :) [23:49:15] thanks [23:49:24] It'll get updated the same as every other extnesion (unless you're Semantic, Wikibase related or CentralNotice) [23:49:33] oh. [23:49:53] thats what i thought would happen. so then why did it need a separate note on the deployment page? [23:49:53] So every thursday whatever is in master by the time I branch will be in the wmf branch [23:50:46] legoktm: for my notes, mostly [23:50:51] ok [23:51:11] so now what needs to be "Reviewed"? [23:51:25] Is it breaking anything? [23:51:34] not that i'm aware of [23:51:35] doing what we expect it to do? [23:51:41] (with the new code out there) [23:51:44] doing nothing? yes :P [23:51:58] there haven't been any major changes in the past week [23:52:20] past 2 weeks even. [23:52:45] oh, I thought there was, hence the point of the "pending review" ... :/ [23:53:12] sorry, I thought you made some changes from Erik's feedback, my apologies [23:53:20] Yeah, those got merged 2+ weeks ago [23:53:48] 3 weeks, heh. time flies. [23:53:56] alrighty then! [23:56:31] I read your deployments email and didn't see it which is why I was wondering [23:56:55] either Elsie or I should send an email to wikitech-ambassadors letting wikis know we're giving sysops the ability to spam everyone... [23:57:50] oh.. right... one sec [23:58:22] I can do it real quick [23:59:26] that works too!