[00:37:25] <kaldari>	 RoanKattouw: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/91511/
[00:39:25] <kaldari>	 RoanKattouw: Can you +2: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/91542/
[00:41:15] <kaldari>	 RoanKattouw: Nevermind, went ahead and +2ed the config change myself
[00:45:48] <RoanKattouw>	 k
[03:56:35] <YairRand>	 Question: Is there any way, using parser functions or whatever, to automatically format a date in the standard format for whatever language?
[03:57:12] <YairRand>	 I was looking at the docs for #time, and it doesn't seem to have any "normal date layout" option
[06:09:16] <snitch>	 [[Tech]]; Frhdkazan; CYR/LAT solution in Serbian Wikipedia; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=6141186&oldid=5823836&rcid=4625890
[06:11:42] <snitch>	 [[Tech]]; Frhdkazan; /* CYR/LAT solution in Serbian Wikipedia */; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=6141201&oldid=6141186&rcid=4625891
[06:32:56] <snitch>	 [[Tech]]; Frhdkazan; /* CYR/LAT solution in Serbian Wikipedia */; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=6141307&oldid=6141201&rcid=4625897
[06:41:44] <snitch>	 [[Tech]]; Frhdkazan; /* CYR/LAT solution in Serbian Wikipedia */; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=6141366&oldid=6141307&rcid=4625903
[07:43:03] <snitch>	 [[Tech]]; Frhdkazan; /* CYR/LAT solution in Serbian Wikipedia */; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=6141755&oldid=6141366&rcid=4625951
[12:07:14] <pajz>	 Hi, when I go to http://otrs-wiki.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges in my regular browser, I still get redirected to https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges. I figure it's some sort of caching issue (I use Firefox; it works if I open it in a private window). How can I fix this?
[12:13:58] <Nemo_bis>	 foundationwiki subtly defends itself from the abandonment decreed by staff
[12:39:13] <RD>	 pajz: I do not have that issue
[12:39:44] <RD>	 oh
[12:39:52] <RD>	 I only read the first part of your message
[12:39:53] <RD>	 :)
[16:01:16] <ugh>	 there's a file on enwiki that we're not able to delete: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28technical%29#action.3Dinfo_defintions
[16:01:22] <ugh>	 Error deleting file: The file "mwstore://local-multiwrite/local-deleted/o/l/c/olcm49xeacsh8myzkuz294lv1d0n3xv.gif" is in an inconsistent state within the internal storage backends
[16:01:46] <mark>	 paravoid: ^
[16:01:48] <ugh>	 er, wrong link.
[16:01:58] <ugh>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28technical%29#Unable_to_delete_file
[16:02:04] <paravoid>	 hrm
[16:04:14] <paravoid>	 deleted from pmtpa but not from eqiad
[16:04:40] <paravoid>	 ugh: thanks for the ping, I'm investigating
[16:04:50] <ugh>	 thanks :)
[16:05:12] <ugh>	 Arsten: paravoid is looking into the issue
[16:06:05] <paravoid>	 I can easily fix this case, but I want to figure out why this has happened so it will take a while longer. 
[16:07:15] <Arsten>	 Thanks for looking into it
[16:07:18] <paravoid>	 heh, filebackend-ops has 11 errors
[16:07:24] <paravoid>	 10 of which are for this file :)
[16:08:39] <Nemo_bis>	 btw that bug has been fixed multiple times https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=244055&query_format=advanced&longdesc=inconsistent%20state%20within%20the%20internal%20storage%20backends&longdesc_type=substring&product=MediaWiki&product=MediaWiki%20extensions&product=Wikimedia
[16:09:37] <paravoid>	 yeah, it happens when we're doing transitions like the one we're doing now
[16:10:09] <Nemo_bis>	 similar open ones are https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40695 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=54981
[16:10:13] <paravoid>	 pmtpa -> eqiad, we have multiwrite enabled again to write to both sites
[16:18:47] <jeremyb>	 pajz: you just have to clear firefox's cache
[16:19:05] <jeremyb>	 pajz: settings -> advanced -> network -> "clear now"
[16:21:40] <jeremyb>	 (and if that doesn't help then tell us :) )
[16:36:46] <avar>	 I see there's been some work to integrate git-deploy into wikimedia infrastructure.
[16:37:23] <avar>	 I and a few other devs at Booking.com maintain it, looks like you can't get away from using my code (also used to me a MediaWiki contributor) :)
[16:37:35] <avar>	 Anyway I/we would be happy to help with any issues/questions with it.
[16:38:15] <RoanKattouw>	 haha
[16:38:19] <RoanKattouw>	 Yeah git-deploy is great
[16:38:30] <RoanKattouw>	 They're working on something called Sartoris and I'm not fully sure what that is
[16:39:41] <RoanKattouw>	 avar: I think Sartoris might be a reimplementation of git-deploy? I'm not sure and the wiki page isn't very specific https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Sartoris/Design
[16:40:20] <pajz>	 jeremyb, thank you, that worked.
[16:40:35] <RoanKattouw>	 https://github.com/wikimedia/sartoris is the code
[16:41:12] <RoanKattouw>	 avar: I don't know what's going on with git-deploy and other than how to use it, everything around it (what's going on, whose code is being used, etc.) is very poorly documented. You should talk to Ryan_Lane
[16:42:30] <greg-g>	 RoanKattouw: avar we'll be doing a sprint on git-deploy/sartoris, with a kick off today.
[16:43:06] <greg-g>	 basically, we want to fix the last remaining issues for our use case and then use it for all deploys (only like 3 or 4 repos are deployed using it now)
[16:43:15] <greg-g>	 (and not the biggie, mediawiki-core)
[16:43:29] <RoanKattouw>	 greg-g: Can you clarify what the difference is between git-deploy and sartoris and which code base is actually being used by what?
[16:43:37] <RoanKattouw>	 Because I can't find any information remotely like that anywhere
[16:43:42] <greg-g>	 sartoris is front end, I believe
[16:43:54] <RoanKattouw>	 All the docs are about how to use it, and everything assumes you magically know what Sartoris is
[16:43:55] <greg-g>	 git-deploy is backend, and can have other non-git plugins (eg: rsync)
[16:44:14] <greg-g>	 I think sartoris is what calls the Salt/etc bits
[16:44:27] <greg-g>	 RoanKattouw: but yes, documentation (from Ryan) is part of the sprint ;)
[16:48:37] <Base>	 all code bases are difinitely mine :P
[16:51:30] <avar>	 I see https://github.com/wikimedia/sartoris/blob/master/sartoris/git-deploy
[16:52:28] <avar>	 So it isn't using https://github.com/git-deploy/git-deploy then, but something with the same name (https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Git-deploy) ?
[16:56:15] <greg-g>	 avar: potentially, I thought it was at least a fork?
[16:56:32] <avar>	 greg-g: no idea :{)
[16:56:34] <avar>	 :)
[16:56:41] <greg-g>	 :)
[16:56:50] <Reedy>	 Isn't it supposed to be like a python clone?
[16:56:57] <greg-g>	 well, there's no Ryan online yet, I'll point him here when he is
[16:58:42] <avar>	 Ah, part of the continuing human endeavour to rewrite working software in languages with slightly different syntax :)
[17:00:01] <greg-g>	 at least it isn't both diff syntax but also proprietary ;)
[17:11:27] <Leox>	 http://Fjeer.ME - Send Free SMS Worldide!
[17:11:27] <Leox>	 http://Fjeer.ME - Send Free SMS Worldide!
[17:16:00] <Reedy>	 greg-g: FYI, I've just made a REL1_22 branch and changed master to being 1.23
[17:16:11] <greg-g>	 Reedy: sweeeeeeet
[17:16:30] <greg-g>	 I would ping hexmode, but he's not online (here)
[17:17:01] <Reedy>	 I thought it seemed sensible to do it before we start using 1.23wmf1 at wmf and confusing the hell out of everyone too
[17:17:08] <greg-g>	 word
[17:17:14] <greg-g>	 thanks for doing that
[17:19:38] <Reedy>	 changing at 22 seems weird (well, 23 sort of)
[17:33:20] <antonio_>	 ciao
[17:35:24] <Reedy>	 (change visibility) 17:33, 24 October 2013 (diff | hist) . . (+240,127)‎ . . N MediaWiki 1.23/wmf1/Changelog ‎ (Update changelog for wmf/1.23wmf1) (current)
[17:35:25] <Reedy>	 wtf
[17:36:10] <Reedy>	 lol
[17:36:14] <Reedy>	 I didn't update my script
[17:36:20] <Reedy>	 so that's from 1.22wmf12 to 1.23wfm1
[17:38:06] <ugh>	 Reedy: wait what if I had a patch that I wanted in 1.22?
[17:38:39] <Reedy>	 Backport it?
[17:39:45] <^d>	 I guess REL1_22 should be from the same place roughly as the last 1.22wmf branch.
[17:40:17] <MatmaRex>	 ^d: ugh, please don't change it now
[17:40:34] <^d>	 Who said anything about changing or doing anything?
[17:40:38] <^d>	 I was just thinking out loud.
[17:40:41] <MatmaRex>	 i'm already having trouble figuring out what got it and what didn't
[17:40:42] <MatmaRex>	 okay
[17:40:47] <ugh>	 MatmaRex: I can't tell if you were trying to ping me.
[17:40:55] <Reedy>	 I'm confused
[17:40:57] <MatmaRex>	 ugh: ugh, no.
[17:41:01] <Reedy>	 Why is this apparently difficult?
[17:41:03] <ugh>	 xD
[17:41:16] <^d>	 Reedy: Branches are hard yo :p
[17:41:27] <ugh>	 Reedy: review https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/90291/ plz
[17:42:03] <greg-g>	 let's use svn!
[17:42:27] <MatmaRex>	 ugh: does that solution actually do anything against spam, btw?
[17:42:42] <MatmaRex>	 ugh: because i was told that the extension doesn't help at all
[17:43:24] <ugh>	 MatmaRex: some people say it helps, others say it doesnt.
[17:43:45] <ugh>	 it will stop any non-mw specific spambot that just fills in every field it sees
[17:43:58] <ugh>	 but nothing mw specific which ignores it
[17:44:00] <^d>	 greg-g: When you use svn branches aren't even an option :p
[17:44:13] <ugh>	 there was a post on wikitech iirc about a wiki owner who said it makes a difference
[17:44:31] <greg-g>	 ^d: exactly! problem solved!
[17:44:46] <ugh>	 no, it was mediawiki-l
[17:44:51] * ugh  waits for his crappy internet to load

[17:45:16] <ugh>	 MatmaRex: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/mediawiki-l/2013-May/041243.html
[17:45:50] <^d>	 MatmaRex: Also, it's easy to figure out what's in master but not REL1_22 (or vice versa)
[17:45:56] <^d>	 `git rev-list origin/REL1_22..origin/master` for the former.
[17:45:56] <MatmaRex>	 ugh: okay
[17:46:22] <^d>	 You can drop the origin/* if all your local branches are up to date :)
[17:46:25] <MatmaRex>	 ^d: no, it's easy to check – i already remember when which patch was merged
[17:46:46] <MatmaRex>	 ^d: so if you moved REL1_22 past where it's now (just about master), i'd get all confused and sd
[17:46:49] <MatmaRex>	 and sad*
[17:47:13] <^d>	 More sadness! Your tears give me power!
[17:47:18] <MatmaRex>	 ugh: what will happen if you install the extension on a wiki with this merged?
[17:47:23] <Nemo_bis>	 MatmaRex, ugh, if you're talking of SimpleAntiSpam, it stops only particularly stupid spambots, but it's surprising how many of those infest the WWW
[17:47:23] <^d>	 I live to make MatmaRex cry! ;-)
[17:47:43] <ugh>	 valhallasw: does the gerrit-patch-uploader let me amend an existing patchset if i include a Change-Id: line?
[17:48:04] <MatmaRex>	 ugh: yes
[17:48:20] <MatmaRex>	 Nemo_bis: yes, we are.
[17:49:16] <ugh>	 MatmaRex: nothing that should affect a real user, iirc the extension would throw an error first
[17:50:05] <MatmaRex>	 ugh: i mean, would merging the extension into core require the mediawiki users to uninstall the extension when upgrading?
[17:50:13] <ugh>	 no
[17:50:29] <MatmaRex>	 ugh: (it's also installed on WMF wikis)
[17:50:33] <ugh>	 they will work together fine
[17:51:01] <ugh>	 there will just be two invisible input fields
[18:08:30] <Nemo_bis>	 weird, why doesn't https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:PasswordReset have the field for email
[18:09:41] <jeremyb>	 Nemo_bis: because it's ldap maybe?
[18:10:07] <jeremyb>	 that wiki is used to make some changes to ldap but the canonical store is ldap
[18:10:11] <MatmaRex>	 Nemo_bis: that's only possible if $wgPasswordResetRoutes['email'] is false
[18:10:18] <jeremyb>	 maybe it's configurable
[18:10:29] <MatmaRex>	 !wg PasswordResetRoutes
[18:10:29] <wm-bot>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgPasswordResetRoutes
[18:10:49] <MatmaRex>	 which is by default. huh.
[18:10:51] <jeremyb>	 (actually, idk for sure about ldap being canonical...)
[18:11:36] <Nemo_bis>	 a stupid default indeed
[18:14:26] <Nemo_bis>	 I'm gonna ry
[18:14:30] <Nemo_bis>	 *cry
[18:14:48] <jeremyb>	 commence
[18:17:11] <YuviPanda>	 NOW
[18:17:57] <Nemo_bis>	 I'm afraid eyes are dry already
[18:18:25] <Nemo_bis>	 so, what to do if I reset password, login, proceed to set a new password and get logged out because "
[18:18:28] <Nemo_bis>	 Incorrect password entered. Please try again. "
[18:19:01] <Nemo_bis>	 (with a captcha)
[18:22:03] <Nemo_bis>	 nope, third failure
[18:23:11] <Nemo_bis>	 sigh, why have I been so lazy, stupidly assuming "a password reset can't be too hard
[18:28:57] <jeremyb>	 Nemo_bis: you can't just supply the username?
[18:29:07] <jeremyb>	 oh
[18:29:17] <jeremyb>	 huh
[18:33:59] <jeremyb>	 andrewbogott: hey
[18:34:10] <jeremyb>	 so Nemo_bis's having some issues with wikitech passwd reset
[18:34:17] <jeremyb>	 24 18:18:25 < Nemo_bis> so, what to do if I reset password, login, proceed to set a new password and get logged out because "
[18:34:20] <jeremyb>	 24 18:18:28 < Nemo_bis> Incorrect password entered. Please try again. "
[18:34:23] <jeremyb>	 24 18:19:01 < Nemo_bis> (with a captcha)
[18:34:24] <Nemo_bis>	 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56114
[18:34:30] <Nemo_bis>	 I've already filed it
[18:34:52] <Nemo_bis>	 it's not like I care that much about my wikitech account (is it needed for something? :) ) but it has that silly new skin
[18:35:24] <andrewbogott>	 Nemo_bis: Do you have 2fa enabled on wikitech by chance?  That causes weird incorrect error messages as I recall
[18:35:45] <Nemo_bis>	 no
[18:36:32] <andrewbogott>	 OK… this actually sounds familiar.
[18:36:49] <andrewbogott>	 I think it happened to me, and it was some kind of race where… after a few minutes if I restarted my browser then the new password started working.
[18:36:57] <andrewbogott>	 I know that's stupid, but… worth a try
[18:37:15] <jeremyb>	 hahahaha
[18:39:04] <ugh>	 has someone filed a bug about diff sizes being wrong: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Legoktm ?
[18:39:11] <ugh>	 i dont see anything wrong on page histories
[18:40:33] <MatmaRex>	 ugh: there's a saved search called "Bugs filed today"
[18:40:44] <ugh>	 I'm looking through it right now ;-)
[18:40:51] <ugh>	 and you told me that yesterday too :P
[18:41:37] <MatmaRex>	 oh, did i? i though i told it someone else
[18:41:54] <MatmaRex>	 on a side note
[18:42:07] <MatmaRex>	 ugh: did you want the "Merge SimpleAntiSpam extension into core" in 1.22 release?
[18:42:34] <ugh>	 I was probably using a different nick yesterday.
[18:43:14] <greg-g>	 too much ugh
[18:43:16] <greg-g>	 ;)
[18:43:20] <ugh>	 yes
[18:43:22] <jeremyb>	 uga uga
[18:43:29] <ugh>	 see https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:MediaWiki_1.22 for a small discussion
[18:43:38] <marktraceur>	 Ugha chucka, ugha ugha
[18:44:02] <Nemo_bis>	 chaga
[18:44:06] <Nemo_bis>	 andrewbogott: didn't work
[18:44:53] <andrewbogott>	 Nemo_bis: ok… I think you should bug Ryan_Lane when he appears, he'll be much quicker and solving this
[18:45:05] <ugh>	 I filed https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56115 for the diff thingy
[18:46:55] <MatmaRex>	 ugh: i asked hexmode on #-dev about it
[18:47:13] <ugh>	 I don't see anything near that area of the code though in the recent commits
[18:48:41] <MatmaRex>	 ugh: probably someone flipped some compression setting or something
[18:48:58] <ugh>	 heh
[19:41:48] <chrismcmalunch>	 ^demon|lunch: still not seeing search suggestions on test2wiki
[19:44:21] <chrismcmahon>	 ^demon|lunch: or mw.o
[19:44:59] <greg-g>	 hrm...
[19:45:20] <greg-g>	 gah
[19:46:06] <greg-g>	 and nik is at a conference :/
[19:46:23] <greg-g>	 I wonder if the 1.23wmf1 changed things under ^demon|lunch 
[19:54:11] <chrismcmahon>	 greg-g: maybe so.  I'm getting an error searching mw.o now
[19:56:19] <Reedy>	 There's a tonne of varioud related warnings in the logs
[19:57:45] <aude>	 what kind of errors?
[19:57:52] * aude  curious to see a stack trace

[19:58:05] <Reedy>	 There aren't any stack traces
[19:58:10] <aude>	 i found a bug in Status https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/91654/
[19:58:12] <aude>	 ok
[19:58:22] <aude>	 causing phpunit tests in wikibase to fail
[19:58:38] <aude>	 anything else that uses Status might have an issue
[19:58:41] <Reedy>	 I fixed a spew of warnings in https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/91659/
[19:58:44] <aude>	 might be unrelated
[19:59:01] <aude>	 oh, ok
[19:59:06] <Reedy>	 Then numerous other stuff
[19:59:06] <Reedy>	       2 Warning:  Search backend error during prefix search for 'تجري الاح'.  Error message is:  IndexMissingException[[simplewikiquote_content] missing] [Called from {
[19:59:07] <Reedy>	 closure} in /usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.22wmf22/extensions/CirrusSearch/includes/CirrusSearchSearcher.php at line 349] in /usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.
[19:59:07] <Reedy>	 22wmf22/includes/debug/Debug.php on line 296
[19:59:07] <Reedy>	       2 Warning:  Search backend error during prefix search for 'Se ke neng ke ka se dira fa ke ne ke le Mopalamente WA'.  Error message is:  SearchPhaseExecutionExcept
[19:59:07] <Reedy>	 ion[Failed to execute phase [dfs], all shards failed; shardFailures
[19:59:23] <aude>	 $srchres ?
[19:59:24] <aude>	 really
[20:00:30] <aude>	 it looks like mediawiki is passing along the exception
[20:00:34] <aude>	 the index is missing?
[20:00:41] <aude>	 which chad is rebuilding
[20:01:39] <Reedy>	 He's rebuilding a tonne of them
[20:02:41] <Reedy>	 My screen looks something like http://p.defau.lt/?43NKuCMg8CHswLXksi_VEg
[20:06:17] <aude>	 Reedy: crazy!
[20:16:58] <^d>	 aude, Reedy: Ok, I'm back from lunch. Which indexes are broken?
[20:17:05] <^d>	 mw.org, test2?
[20:17:12] <^d>	 I rebuilt those before the deploy.
[20:18:59] <Reedy>	 [20:41:47] <chrismcmalunch> ^demon|lunch: still not seeing search suggestions on test2wiki
[20:32:55] <^d>	 Reedy: test/test2/testwikidata/loginwiki fixed.
[20:32:58] <^d>	 mw.org coming shortly.
[21:03:17] <Steinsplitter>	 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WMF_Resolutions/Trademarks what is wrong o_O Internal error
[21:03:58] <Steinsplitter>	 ups. wrong window.
[21:34:00] <legoktm>	 anyone around who can give isalix@gmail.com editbugs on bugzilla? he's a pywikibot dev
[21:37:44] <^d>	 legoktm: {{done}}
[21:37:50] <legoktm>	 thanks
[21:48:16] <Nemo_bis>	 legoktm: he has too many accounts on bugzilla ;)
[21:48:31] <legoktm>	 heh