[00:21:45] <Elsie>	 Nemo_bis: Hrm. Why a permanent block log?
[05:10:44] <closedmouth>	 i keep getting lag on loading pages, it seems to be having trouble connecting to geoiplookup.wikimedia.org
[05:10:59] <closedmouth>	 anyone else?
[05:29:23] <closedmouth>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28technical%29#geoiplookup.wikimedia.org
[06:00:46] <Nemo_bis>	 Elsie: ask on [[mw:Talk:Principles]]? :P
[11:49:22] <multichill>	 LeslieCarr: Did you get that strategic personal hat with your recent promotion? ;-)
[11:52:04] * YuviPanda  gives multichill a hat

[11:54:12] <Elsie>	 closedmouth: Nike asks a reasonable question.
[11:54:15] * multichill  takes off his hat for YuviPanda

[11:54:49] <YuviPanda>	 multichill: should we take down the WLM app at some point?
[11:55:16] <multichill>	 We could just leave it running?
[11:58:10] <multichill>	 YuviPanda: ?
[11:58:17] <YuviPanda>	 multichill: we could, yeah
[11:58:25] <YuviPanda>	 multichill: it'll still upload with those templates, if that's ok
[11:58:51] <multichill>	 Isn't there some logic in there so it doesn't show the WLM template?
[11:59:18] <multichill>	 Campaigns are all active too, but without adding a WLM template
[12:01:41] <Elsie>	 I just replied to Ken's e-mail.
[12:01:51] <Elsie>	 We should update that Meta-Wiki page.
[12:02:05] <Elsie>	 I looked at it the other day. It's not totally out-of-date, just somewhat.
[12:03:05] <YuviPanda>	 multichill: ah, hmm
[12:03:14] <YuviPanda>	 multichill: haven't touched that app in forever, so... :)
[12:03:16] <Elsie>	 closedmouth: The question is why you should be hitting geoiplookup.wikimedia.org.
[12:03:21] <YuviPanda>	 multichill: i've no problem leaving it up
[12:04:32] <multichill>	 Elsie: AFAIK ulsfo is just a caching site
[12:05:14] <Elsie>	 So Ken is proposing another eqiad?
[12:05:42] <Elsie>	 pmtpa is still online, isn't it?
[12:06:10] <multichill>	 What I said in my email, my assumption is that this is the replacement for Florida
[12:06:11] <YuviPanda>	 multichill: just in case I disappear - effietsanders also has access to that account in which the app is deployed :)
[12:06:37] <multichill>	 Ok. Should I be worried YuviPanda? ;-)
[12:06:47] <Elsie>	 Well, you know what they say about people who assume...
[12:06:53] <Elsie>	 Yours was a good question.
[12:06:55] <YuviPanda>	 multichill: no, but i'm just massively reduced on the internet because of wrist pain
[12:06:57] <YuviPanda>	 Carpel Tunnel
[12:07:04] <Elsie>	 Eep.
[12:07:17] <Elsie>	 Do you use an external keyboard/mouse?
[12:07:17] <YuviPanda>	 so have been hard limiting myself to at most 8 hours on a computer
[12:07:26] <YuviPanda>	 Elsie: i wasn't. now Iam
[12:07:35] <Elsie>	 Yeah, that's important.
[12:07:37] <Elsie>	 :-)
[12:07:39] <YuviPanda>	 I used to 'roam around and work wherever', and hence had no stable posture / work environment
[12:07:41] <YuviPanda>	 now i do
[12:07:45] <Elsie>	 Nice.
[12:08:11] <Elsie>	 My mother struggled with wrist issues for years. GameBoys, PDAs, keyboards, etc.
[12:08:21] <Elsie>	 I'm starting to have minor issues every once in a while.
[12:08:25] <Elsie>	 Computers are evil.
[12:09:20] <YuviPanda>	 heh
[12:27:48] <closedmouth>	 Elsie: right, that's what i want to know
[12:28:22] <closedmouth>	 i can't find any of my scripts that use it
[12:29:29] <Elsie>	 closedmouth: Look in the page source?
[12:29:34] <Elsie>	 Do you see geoiplookup.wikimedia.org?
[12:30:08] <closedmouth>	 nope
[12:30:19] <closedmouth>	 i already looked
[12:32:02] <closedmouth>	 and the webconsole doesn't show what code is calling it
[12:32:51] <Elsie>	 Does it happen when logged out?
[12:33:09] <Elsie>	 Does it happen when using a different skin?
[12:33:49] <closedmouth>	 yes to both
[12:34:02] <Elsie>	 Hrm.
[12:34:52] <Elsie>	 closedmouth: What happens when you navigate directly to https://geoiplookup.wikimedia.org ?
[12:35:02] <closedmouth>	 it times out
[12:35:17] <Elsie>	 What about https://bits.wikimedia.org/geoiplookup ?
[12:35:33] <closedmouth>	 > Geo = {}
[12:35:43] <Elsie>	 Hrmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
[12:35:53] <Elsie>	 In any browser?
[12:37:02] <closedmouth>	 IE also times out
[12:37:09] <closedmouth>	 for the first link
[12:37:19] <closedmouth>	 uh, it tries to open a file for the second one...
[12:51:23] <Juandev>	 hi
[12:51:32] <Juandev>	 [14:49:58] <Juandev> could you tell me why at some wikies doesnt work user edit toolbar?
[12:51:33] <closedmouth>	 hello
[12:55:03] <Juandev>	 could it be caused by this edit: https://cs.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Common.js&diff=prev&oldid=29462
[12:55:03] <Juandev>	 ?
[13:00:38] <MatmaRex>	 Juandev: mwCustomEditButtons no longer works
[13:01:02] <MatmaRex>	 Juandev: see https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47872#c9 for how to fix that
[13:01:12] <Juandev>	 MatmaRex: and how does it come, that it works to me on cs.wp without changing my monobook and it doesnt work at this project
[13:01:28] <Juandev>	 even personal javascripts are the same, or not?
[13:02:42] <Juandev>	 s/without changing my javascript
[13:57:15] <sDrewth>	 sheesh geoiplookup.wikimedia is butt ugly and slow
[13:57:27] <sDrewth>	 why do we have it running at all?
[13:58:53] <sDrewth>	 MatmaRex: the buttons do work, you just have to recode them
[14:00:08] <sDrewth>	 Juandev: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Tools_and_scripts/More_editing_buttons
[14:00:39] <sDrewth>	 and note that there will be a difference in some components between common.js and monobook.js
[14:01:39] <Juandev>	 sDrewth: sorry, I dont want to study that. I am an editor and I am pretty angry, that this is the second time during my stay in Wikimedia it again dont work
[14:01:46] <Elsie>	 sDrewth: It's not intended to be user-facing (re: ugly).
[14:01:50] <Elsie>	 It's an API.
[14:02:06] <Juandev>	 but thats not just MW, the stupid interface changes are in most sw
[14:02:17] <Juandev>	 than you have to study it, instead doing your job
[14:03:07] <sDrewth>	 Juandev: that is up to you, we faced the issue at enWS and we documented it
[14:03:21] <sDrewth>	 you can copy what we have done or not, I don't mind
[14:03:28] <Juandev>	 sDrewth: cool
[14:03:55] <sDrewth>	 you should only need to copy the outside, and switch in your inners
[14:04:05] <sDrewth>	 (somewhat)
[16:16:10] <Base>	 @seen Heatherawalls
[16:16:10] <wm-bot>	 Base: I have never seen Heatherawalls
[16:16:29] <Base>	 @seenrx [Hh]eatherawalls.*
[16:16:30] <wm-bot>	 Base: I have never seen [Hh]eatherawalls.*
[16:17:17] <Base>	 @seenrx [Hh]eather.*
[16:17:17] <wm-bot>	 Base: Last time I saw heatherw they were talking in the channel, they are still in the channel. It was in #wikimedia-mobile at 10/17/2013 7:42:05 PM (1d20h35m11s ago) (multiple results were found: heatherw_, Heather, heatherscar, heather_)
[16:23:52] <Base>	 @seenrx [Vv]arnent.*
[16:23:53] <wm-bot>	 Base: Last time I saw varnent they were quitting the network with reason: Ping timeout: 264 seconds at 10/5/2013 9:38:30 AM (14d6h45m22s ago) (multiple results were found: varnent_)
[16:28:55] <Base>	 @seenrx [Gg]anmazeta.*
[16:28:55] <wm-bot>	 Base: I have never seen [Gg]anmazeta.*
[16:29:01] <Base>	 :(
[16:37:15] <Base>	 Not Found
[16:37:15] <Base>	 The requested URL /wiki/Talk:Themes/Open_Data was not found on this server.
[16:37:15] <Base>	 Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.
[16:37:15] <Base>	 i've got this on different pages of https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/ several times
[20:49:35] <felicity_>	 http://loreley.flyingparchment.org.uk/journal/2013/10/gender-anarchy-reformulating-gender-without-predicting-the-future/
[20:49:40] <felicity_>	 er, wrong channel, sorry
[21:41:46] <greg-g>	 wall o' text incoming....
[21:41:49] <greg-g>	 (on list)