[06:28:43] <Elsie>	 Nemo_bis: Have you ever considered the idea of pruning MediaWiki user block logs after five years?
[06:31:05] <Jasper_Deng>	 Elsie: people on en-wiki have been asking for that
[06:31:08] <Jasper_Deng>	 enwiki*
[06:31:25] <Jasper_Deng>	 but that would create a ton of drama
[06:31:29] <Elsie>	 It's more of a social issue than a technical issue.
[06:31:36] * Elsie  nods.

[06:31:41] <Elsie>	 It needs a global discussion, perhaps.
[06:32:19] <Jasper_Deng>	 it wouldn't make a significant change in the db size, so yeah, it's social onluy
[10:38:33] <Nemo_bis>	 Elsie: Sure. I considered it as one of the possible catastrophes which may happen to the world.
[11:29:07] <Steinsplitter>	 LaslieCarr: do we hav a list with teh actual servers, https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:Wikimedia-servers-2010-12-28.svg is outdated. ?
[11:29:37] <Steinsplitter>	 and how many server ar in Tampa ?
[11:54:29] <LeslieCarr>	 Steinsplitter: the best list we'd have would be our site.pp in puppet or checking our active servers on ganglia.wikimedia.org
[11:55:14] <Steinsplitter>	 site.pp sounds interessant, go to check this . thx
[11:55:34] <Steinsplitter>	 *i go
[13:05:06] <Dantman>	 Puppet as `puppet apply` is awesome...
[13:06:02] <Dantman>	 Puppet as anything to do with server functionality (ie: `puppet master`, `puppet agent`, `puppetdb`) especially when it comes to storeconfigs however... is disappointingly bad.
[13:23:00] <Base>	 @seen Varnent
[13:23:00] <wm-bot>	 Base: Last time I saw Varnent they were quitting the network with reason: Ping timeout: 264 seconds N/A at 10/5/2013 9:38:30 AM (13d3h44m30s ago)
[15:37:56] <jeremyb>	 Steinsplitter: site.pp doesn't necessarily have old servers removed
[15:38:04] <jeremyb>	 see also decommisioning.pp
[15:38:10] <jeremyb>	 what's the root questions?
[15:38:12] <jeremyb>	 question*
[15:45:25] <Steinsplitter>	 jeremyb: map of all wmf servers, and how many server ar located in Tampa etc. *g*
[15:45:29] <Steinsplitter>	 for updating the page
[15:46:12] <jeremyb>	 what page?
[15:46:41] <Steinsplitter>	 on dewp Server an on meta :P
[15:47:16] <jeremyb>	 uhhhhhhh
[15:47:51] <Dominic|NARA>	 Any guesses as to how long Special:Linksearch will take to update after making a change?
[15:48:57] <jeremyb>	 you can try to pull in data regularly+automatically (including from non-public sources) to do something like http://orgcharts.wmflabs.org:8888/ (or to some svg generation tool)
[15:49:20] <jeremyb>	 Steinsplitter: else i have to question if it's worth your time...
[15:49:52] <jeremyb>	 otoh, we have semantic MW @ wikitech
[15:50:10] <jeremyb>	 so we could find a way to get everything represented there
[15:50:30] <jeremyb>	 but servers move physically between DCs and also move between roles
[15:51:00] <jeremyb>	 Dominic|NARA: which edit?
[15:51:35] <Steinsplitter>	 jeremyb: hmm :/, i thinked som tech or the fondation can say "we hav this&this in Tampa, this&this in Amsterdam" etc.
[15:52:12] <jeremyb>	 Steinsplitter: well regardless of whether that's possible, do you care if it's out of date 2 weeks from now?
[15:52:31] <Dominic|NARA>	 jeremyb: An edit to a template which touches thousands of pages: https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Authority_control/ARC&diff=107370100&oldid=87114810
[15:52:48] <jeremyb>	 Dominic|NARA: then presumably you have to wait for the job queue
[15:53:40] <Steinsplitter>	 jeremyb: hm. it is vom 2010 i think :P, okay.  it is too complicated {{section resolved}}
[15:53:41] <Steinsplitter>	 ;-)
[15:54:10] <jeremyb>	 Steinsplitter: it's especially volatile at the moment because tampa is being shut down
[15:54:22] <jeremyb>	 and some of that is moving to other parts of the map
[15:54:27] <Dominic|NARA>	 Hours? Days? Minutes? You're talking like I already know how long the job queue takes. :-)
[15:54:38] <jeremyb>	 Dominic|NARA: oh, i don't know either
[15:54:39] <jeremyb>	 :)
[15:55:08] <Dominic|NARA>	 Thanks! ;-)
[15:55:49] <jeremyb>	 i don't even know where the queue is now. redis? mysql?
[15:56:11] <Dominic|NARA>	 In any case, looks like it's going down as we speak.
[15:56:33] <jeremyb>	 well, you should be :)
[15:56:39] <Dominic|NARA>	 There were 14,000+ transclusions, but now the old URL only shows in 9000 pages.
[16:11:39] <dMaggot>	 can someboyd add a LICENSE file to luasandbox clarifying the license?
[16:48:04] <Dominic|NARA>	 jeremyb: Is there a way to force it to refresh? Some things from a Sep 30 edit I made (https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:NARA-Author&diff=next&oldid=105934779) still haven't updated in the Special:Linksearch results.
[18:37:19] <jpcristian>	 Hello!
[20:51:50] <legoktm>	 jeremyb: redis
[20:52:02] <legoktm>	 Dominic|NARA: You could purge all the pages that transclude the template :P (dont)
[20:52:41] <Dominic|NARA>	 legoktm: Don't? But I'm halfway through purging all of Wikimedia Commons!
[20:53:53] <legoktm>	 Theoretically all the jobs are still in the queue, so it'll happen eventually
[21:33:41] <jeremyb>	 legoktm: from sept 30? i doubt it if such recent stuff is moving so fast
[21:33:49] <jeremyb>	 but i don't really know how it works
[21:36:52] <legoktm>	 jeremyb: idk either: https://ganglia.wikimedia.org/latest/graph.php?r=year&z=xlarge&c=Miscellaneous+pmtpa&h=hume.wikimedia.org&v=823574&m=Global_JobQueue_length&jr=&js=