[01:10:38] I'm having issues with and , am wondering if there's a good workaround. Apologies if this has been addressed somewhere, I haven't been able to find any mention of the issue around. [01:11:29] My issue is happening specifically on Wikisource, because I'm trying to achieve continuity of a poem section between two pages. [01:12:03] EG, placing the end or beginning tag within the footer or header, respectively. [01:12:25] The problem seems to be this results in an interlap that causes one of those tags to be ignored and considered text. [01:12:54] EG, [14:16:45] I have a question regarding inconsistency between wikipedia-api and wikipedia html view. Where could I find an answer for that question. Is this the right channel? [14:17:02] !ask [14:17:02] Please feel free to ask your question: if anybody who knows the answer is around, they will surely reply. Don't ask for help or for attention before actually asking your question, that's just a waste of time – both yours and everybody else's. :) [14:17:26] tom545: go ahead :) [14:18:14] ok, thank you. Is it known, that there exists inconsistency? [14:19:20] What kind of inconsistency are you talking about? Could you give an example? [14:21:11] of course. I compare three "interfaces". A: action=raw -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oberalm?action=raw -> Einwohner(which stands for population)=3989 [14:21:35] B: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oberalm -> population total=4247 [14:22:31] C: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&prop=revisions&rvprop=content&format=xmlfm&titles=Oberalm&rvsection=0 -> Einwohner=3989 [14:22:58] purge the cache [14:23:00] it should always be the english version but the values differ [14:23:41] I discovered that 2 weeks ago. How often is the cache renewed? [14:23:43] tom545: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Get_Austria_population [14:23:50] that infobox uses this template [14:23:56] that's probably where the other value comes from [14:24:44] MatmaRex, thank you. api and action=raw do not use that template? [14:24:53] no, they just show the raw source code [14:24:58] which contains a different value [14:25:09] tom545: you might want to about about that on [[WP:VPT]] on en.wp [14:25:20] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:VPT [14:27:00] ok, nobody will ever change a population value in source code if the template overrules the source, so source keeps outdated [14:28:04] you mean I could bring that up on the page you linked? [14:28:19] yes [14:28:33] this is an english-wikipedia specific issue, so that's the best place :) [14:28:47] gah, "about about", sorry. :P [14:30:55] ok, the interesting thing is, in the english version they write "Einwohner" and in the German version "Einwohner" does not even exist [14:31:05] http://de.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&prop=revisions&rvprop=content&format=xmlfm&titles=Oberalm&rvsection=0 [14:32:03] tom545: bring that up on that page i linked, en.wp does an incredible amount of incredibly idiotic stuff with templates [14:32:32] how did you find out the austria_population template? [14:32:51] ok :) thank you for that hint [14:34:42] ok, found it: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Oberalm&action=info [16:03:50] <\Mike> Is there any place where MathJax errors are collected/reported? [17:04:49] fr.wikipedia is down [17:06:07] no it's not [17:06:19] it was [17:06:27] yes, it was for me too [17:06:57] [19:01:27] - no editions - [19:05:23] [17:08:57] csteipp: if you have a few moments, could you look at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=55760 ? it seems to be overriding the settings we have for labs being wgSecureLogin' => false and hashar and I are a bit confused [17:09:11] beta labs cluster I mean [17:09:24] chrismcmahon: I was just adding a comment to ask for a reproduction [17:11:01] csteipp: you mean that you are not able to repro that? [17:12:06] worth a !log imho [17:12:16] !log fr.wikipedia was briefly down: Frakir> [19:01:27] - no editions - [19:05:23] [17:12:29] morebots: ?? [17:12:33] Logged the message, Master [17:12:33] I am a logbot running on tools-exec-08. [17:12:33] Messages are logged to wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Server_Admin_Log. [17:12:33] To log a message, type !log . [17:12:35] ([18:49:44] - nothing - [18:53:29] ; [18:55:32] - nothing - [18:59:24] ; [19:07:28] - nothing - [19:11:18] for wp.fr) [17:15:48] chrismcmahon: ok, yeah I see it in beta, not in my local dev environment. I'll try to figure out what is set there to cause that. [17:20:28] Frakir: beware, that's not enough to "prove" the wiki was down, as it may just be read-only [17:21:38] it was properly down [17:23:26] just saying :) [17:23:53] brion: omg, ogv.js has color now? [17:23:58] jesus, it works [17:24:47] paravoid: :D [17:24:56] I hear it needs Range support [17:25:26] (bug 55631) [17:25:32] I wonder why audio doesn't work with iceweasel 24 [17:25:52] * Aaron|home wonders why people use iceweasel [17:25:53] oh, I hadn't seen that [17:26:02] paravoid: go to about:config and enable web audio [17:26:32] I hadn't seen the proposed patchset either [17:26:42] I'll merge this today [17:27:01] but we'll need to wait until caches expire [17:27:45] feel free to Cc me next time on such bugs [17:27:58] it didn't have an ops keyword either [17:28:07] so it'd be very hard for me to actually notice :) [17:28:33] brion: that did the trick [17:29:27] doesn't work very well though [17:29:37] audio that is [17:30:32] hehe [17:30:35] yeah the audio is not synced yet [17:30:44] and it's extra choppy i think because the codec runs on the main thread still [17:30:55] and... frequently the sample rate is wrong [18:09:05] any tips on the poem/noinclude issue? (should I repeat?) [18:11:00] djr013: Yeah, repeat away [18:11:17] ah ok [18:11:28] "I'm having issues with and , am wondering if there's a good workaround. Apologies if this has been addressed somewhere, I haven't been able to find any mention of the issue around. [18:11:34] My issue is happening specifically on Wikisource, because I'm trying to achieve continuity of a poem section between two pages. [18:11:37] EG, placing the end or beginning tag within the footer or header, respectively. [18:11:42] The problem seems to be this results in an interlap that causes one of those tags to be ignored and considered text. [18:11:52] EG, [18:12:03] " [18:13:12] (IIRC it's also on wikipedia, but most prominent on wikisource given its particular uses of transclusion) [18:14:02] <\Mike> Sorry if I miss something obvious, but why wouldn't work better? [18:18:28] \Mike: should I just link an example? [18:18:34] easier to show than explain [18:19:18] <\Mike> sure (I don't promise to be able to solve anything, though) [18:19:31] https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Songs_of_the_Workers_15th_Edition.djvu/11 and https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Songs_of_the_Workers_15th_Edition.djvu/12 and... [18:19:49] transcluded here https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/User:Djr13/Sandbox [18:21:11] (I just reduced it to transcluding just a few to demonstrate easier) [19:53:28] Hey folks. I'm getting strange error when I visit: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Metrics [19:53:44] All other meta pages I've checked work just fine. [19:54:31] Ooh [19:54:33] That's pretty broken [19:54:37] yeah [19:54:39] Let me find out who we can blame [19:54:44] was just about to ask you for a backtrace [19:54:56] Wasn't there something about translate maybe being broken? [19:55:15] Thanks for taking a quick look, guys. [19:55:19] Good guess [19:55:20] 2013-10-16 19:54:27 mw1077 metawiki: [fe28990d] /wiki/Research:Metrics Exception from line 187 of /usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.22wmf21/extensions/Translate/TranslateHooks.php: A reached the parser. This should not happen [19:55:53] blugh [19:56:06] I saw this in the {{draft}} template some time ago [19:56:10] I'll dump it on a bug as Nikerabbit isn't in here [19:56:49] This is slightly annoying [19:56:56] it's been broken for a while, no? [19:56:58] the stack trace has a tonne of article text with it [19:58:41] Reedy: which bug are you pasting it into? [19:59:22] reedy@fluorine:/a/mw-log$ wc -l ~/fe28990d [19:59:22] 7487 /home/reedy/fe28990d [19:59:24] :| [19:59:27] I was going to open a new one [19:59:43] k [19:59:59] wow [20:04:41] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=55808#c2 is the proper stack [20:08:38] thanks [20:16:01] halfak: I fixed the page [20:16:32] I saw that. Thanks! Can you help me understand how to not immediately break it again until a fix can be deployed? [20:17:12] you just need to use {{TNT|template}} [20:17:36] For all templates? [20:18:45] for ones that use the translate extension [20:18:46] i think [20:18:51] i'm not really sure :P [20:18:54] yes [20:18:56] ?? [20:19:13] OK. I should be able to get by without including any more templates. :) [20:19:20] In the meantime. [21:20:42] hmm so I did find mention about the and conflict but I don't know if anyone ever followed through with it to file a bug. I'll try looking into it. [21:20:44] https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Scriptorium/Archives/2010-06#Virgil:_The_Georgics.2C_poem.2C_verse_and_transclusions [22:55:40] How can I find out which wikis are enabled for transwiki import to a given wiki, without being an admin on that wiki? [22:55:56] noc [22:56:18] (Specifically, I'm trying to find out which ones are enabled on ar.wikipedia) [22:56:22] https://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=InitialiseSettings.php [22:56:28] wgImportSources [22:56:52] None apparently [22:57:17] Yup [22:57:18] reedy@tin:/a/common$ mwscript eval.php arwiki [22:57:18] > var_dump( $wgImportSources ); [22:57:18] array(0) { [22:57:18] } [22:57:42] thanks much Reedy. on that note, I filed a bug to enabled import from meta. [22:58:24] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=55796