[01:08:31] hi [01:09:24] is there a clever way for all the diffs people post at usertalks to be http not https? [01:11:08] Anna_Frodesiak: i don't follow [01:11:12] oh [01:11:14] maybe i do [01:11:34] there's 2 options i think [01:29:27] Anna_Frodesiak: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Sandbox&diff=576800650&oldid=576794527 [01:29:30] that? [01:33:19] sure those work [01:33:53] but is there a way to make all diffs appear without the "s" [01:34:21] i guess you could adopt secure.js [01:37:53] secure.js? [01:37:58] Anna_Frodesiak: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js/edit.js [01:38:01] errr [01:38:37] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Common.js/secure.js&oldid=484772226 [01:38:42] Anna_Frodesiak: [01:40:09] i have zero idea what that means [01:40:10] :) [01:40:43] you use only Chrome as your browser? [01:40:52] chrome yes [01:45:01] Swob: what are you thinking? [01:48:28] Javscript [01:48:55] yes only chrome [01:49:01] i can't bear the others [01:49:45] with Javascript you can change all occurrences of https to http, or even just some [01:50:01] I dont know if there's a plugin from Chrome that allows adding Javascript on top of the rest of the page [01:50:04] Firefox can do it [01:50:18] errrr, *MediaWiki* can do it!!!!! [01:50:19] if not, maybe the userpage JS can help [01:50:43] the only problem potentially would be that it would have to run last [01:56:44] will java slow things down? [01:56:58] yes, certainly. java slows everything down [01:57:09] fortunately, no one suggested using java [01:57:27] (hint: java is not related to javascript) [01:58:22] JS could slow things down too. *but* this is a script that was turned on for all secure.wm.o users for quite a while. and no one saw fit to disable it. so it's probably ok [01:58:37] i guess i will settle for removing the "S" [01:58:46] that's probably just the best plan [01:58:57] now what aboout that script i've been begging for [01:59:01] i would just loveto have it [01:59:20] del userpage; spamblock; post spamblock template and sig at talk [01:59:22] done [01:59:34] i would love to have that at the click of a button [01:59:44] what's the objection to HTTPS? great firewall of russia? [02:00:18] China [02:01:35] Anna_Frodesiak: any other options at your disposal? proxies? what if we end up requiring HTTPS for all sysops? [02:01:50] not that it's imminent but i think it's also not ruled out [02:01:51] thats unlikely imo [02:02:01] how would the server know whether someones an admin or not [02:02:36] well it's a simple enough check once you have their username [02:04:00] no other choices [02:04:05] but it's not such a huge deal [02:04:25] more than anything is my other tech request [02:04:35] a script that: del userpage; spamblock; post spamblock template and sig at talk [02:05:04] i dunno about that either [02:05:12] arent we kind of getting away from using templates on talk pages? [02:05:39] you mean spamblock template? [02:05:50] the idea of Flow was that people would be more encouraged to stay on Wikipedia if they had a message written directly to them instead of a template that was copy pasted from somewhere else [02:06:32] we're talking about spambot template though. for guys that use their userpage as "Webtech is a company....Visit our website..." [02:06:43] that's blockable and needs a template right? [02:08:16] sorry I shouldnt talk [02:08:30] I dont even believe in Flow [02:09:01] i do think templates are a bit rude but its htpocritical of me to complain about them in a situation like this [02:09:15] still, i cant help with the question [02:10:00] i'm huge on personalized notes [02:10:08] see the bottom of http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Anna_Frodesiak/Junkbox_1&action=edit [02:10:13] i have zillions [02:10:27] and i write a dozen ore more a day [02:10:53] but blockign templates are required i think unless it's DENY [02:12:08] anyway, not relevant to this channel. either you want the script or you don't. whether or not the spec is right can be decided elsewhere :) [02:13:07] ok i'll pass on the script. i am very grateful for your effors. i just don't want anything that will slow things down. it's only a small time suck to remove the "s" manually [02:25:57] Anna_Frodesiak: you don't really care if it's just diff links right? [02:26:24] Anna_Frodesiak: try importScript('User:Jeremyb/insecure.js') [02:26:36] (you can do that in your browser's JS console on any enwiki page [02:26:39] ) [02:27:42] or put that in your [[special:mypage/common.js]] [02:29:49] oh, that's too extensive actually [02:37:53] ok thanks [10:08:55] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mirroring_Wikimedia_project_XML_dumps#Media_tarballs [10:52:09] Reedy: around? asleep? [10:52:51] Reedy: is the collation update script for https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=54680 still running? the french are impatient ;) and asked me what's up [13:41:50] does anyone know how much time does it take for an article modificatio to be seen by others around the world ? [13:41:55] 1s [13:42:00] 10seconds ? [13:42:15] thanks for giving a clue... [13:50:47] Zouave: 0 [13:51:36] (counting from when you see it) [13:55:24] * Elsie marks Nemo_bis topic closed. [13:55:59] Hmpf. No complaints I hope. [14:09:32] Nemo_bis : would you explain a bit further ? Do you mean under 1 second ? [14:09:44] Any link to provide a source ? [14:10:53] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki ? :) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Round-trip_delay_time ? [14:12:42] Or have fun with [14:12:55] https://doc.wikimedia.org/mediawiki-core/master/php/html/classParser.html [14:12:58] etc. [14:16:28] Taking a look. [14:17:24] I know how a wiki works... [14:17:51] I don't! [14:18:38] The question is, maybe due to big load on master server, it takes time to : access master database, write modifications intodatabase, replicate on slaves, read from slave to server clients [14:18:50] No contention at all ? [14:19:19] my parenthesis has a reason: (counting from when you see it) [14:20:25] Generally it's a fraction of second. [14:20:28] Sometimes 30 days. [14:22:13] Elsie: speaking of which, should be work on [[Principles]] more? [14:22:47] I recall a couple recent bugs where some consensual definition would have come handy as a basis for discussion on specific cases. [14:32:43] Nemo_bis: I think it's important, but it can't be done with just the two of us. [14:32:47] Perhaps need more advertising. [14:32:55] needs [14:33:03] I tried to tempt Tim. [14:33:11] But you know how that often goes. [14:33:56] Pick another Tim! We have several, they all are nice. :P [14:34:44] I suppose you need some incentive, as with the README which had some sort of deadline "we'll be pushing this in X days". [14:35:08] Maybe you could just start linking it from https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Architecture_guidelines/Meetings/Architecture_Summit_2014 as reminder. [14:36:03] Surely I've already contributed enough to that page. [14:36:08] It's your turn. [14:36:26] "written in PHP" seems contentious. [14:36:47] You favored "free software" over "open source"? [14:37:11] Perhaps we should be more explicit there. [14:37:51] These two points are not so relevant [14:38:04] > Free software differs from proprietary software (such as Microsoft Windows), which to varying degrees does not give the user freedoms to study, modify and share the software, and threatens users with legal penalties if they do not conform to the terms of restrictive software licenses. [14:38:09] That's quite the parenthetical. [14:38:22] Well, perhaps the link should be to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software then. [14:38:53] Aren't those pages regularly remerged and resplit anyway [14:39:21] That whole page isn't very encyclopedic. [14:40:04] > Almost all [[computer viruses]] can only affect the [[Microsoft Windows]] operating system{{Citation needed|date=August 2013}}, but [[antivirus software]] such as [[ClamAV]] (shown here) is still provided for Linux and other Unix-based systems, so that users can scan files to detect [[malware]] that might infect Windows hosts [14:40:13] > Many free operating systems such as [[Debian Linux]], [[OpenBSD]], and [[FreeBSD]] have more secure default installation configurations than Microsoft Windows, resulting in far fewer [[security vulnerability|compromised systems [14:40:33] This isn't explaining free software, exactly, as much as it's advocating for it. [14:41:02] Perhaps that's okay in image captions. [14:41:14] Yeah, everything is fine if it's in a caption [14:41:37] That's the real reason people are asking for bigger thumbs, to have bigger enclaves within articles [14:41:47] Heh. [14:55:04] Nemo_bis I'm sure you know cache system, so as not all pages are parsed systematically [14:55:34] any info on some kind of "average availability time " ? [15:30:37] MatmaRex: Only 2340000 done [15:31:49] hah, ^demon|beer [15:32:19] manybubbles: for search suggestions is it possible to exclude a result from being suggested? [15:33:06] i guess maybe the answer is it should be deleted. and this kind of thing would maybe even be oversighted these days. but someone's complaining about something from ~5 years ago [15:34:43] "user:${person's full name} ${defamatory verb} ..." [15:35:26] (i'm thinking with a word on page like __NOTOC__) [15:35:38] Reedy: any estimate on how many left? (at a glance probably more than a half, eh?) [15:38:21] maybe i should just consult an oversighter [15:39:20] no local oversighters [15:43:28] EXPLAIN says 17526779 [15:46:52] MatmaRex: 19615163 rows [15:46:57] Reedy: woot. that's a lot of categories for 1.4m articles. [15:47:10] 2370000/19615163 [15:47:23] Zouave: can you elaborate? [15:47:29] 12% [15:47:41] Zouave: what question are you trying to answer? what are you trying to accomplish [15:48:08] pl.wp had 3143622 rows for ~900k articles (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42413#c4) [15:48:51] Zouave: i'd say there's at least half dozen ways that contention is avoided including quite a few different caches [15:49:23] Zouave: also the ~850 wikis are split up into "clusters" so that the busy wikis don't have to share with everyone else [15:50:47] Reedy: thanks, i quoted you on the bug [15:51:19] MatmaRex: Of course, liangents dual collation work would help here... [15:51:27] we can have the old live and the new building at the same time [15:51:43] yeah [15:51:56] you guys really need to get to work on merging it ;) [15:52:33] It's on Tims todo list [15:59:41] Reedy: just wondering, is it possible to somehow parallelize that? or is slave synchronisation the bottleneck? or what? (i'm curious) [15:59:44] Isarra: i don't know if i mentioned this before but it would be lovely to get some animation for bugzilla searches :) [15:59:52] Isarra: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/extensions/BMO/web/images/mozchomp.gif [15:59:58] I hate animation. [16:00:23] * Isarra crushes jeremyb under 30 million frames of bad rendering. [16:00:30] hah [16:00:37] it's just for the page before your results are ready [16:00:47] Bugzilla renders page results in js? [16:00:51] I thought better of it. [16:01:07] js? [16:01:16] Isarra: no, but it loads then via ajax on the bug filing page [16:01:23] Ah. [16:01:23] them* [16:01:35] Doesn't it have a thingy? What's wrong with the thingy there? [16:01:36] Isarra: and some searches can take multiple seconds to finish [16:01:41] dunno [16:02:09] compare the wikimedia waiting page vs. mozilla's [16:02:38] ^demon|beer: a little early, no? :) [16:02:38] Ah, I see what it does. [16:02:58] <^demon|beer> jeremyb: Heh, that was my nick last night when I closed IRC without paying attention. [16:03:02] <^demon|beer> Should've been |sleep [16:03:05] <^demon|beer> And now nothing :) [16:03:05] Where do you propose to put an animation? It updates as it goes; generally such things are placeholders while the entire thing is being prepared. [16:03:14] ^demon|beer: i figured. i even commented on the nick while you were gone [16:03:35] <^d> I really should get a bouncer one of these days. [16:05:55] jeremyb: If you want to find a way to use the mw stuff in bugzilla, I'm sure Andre would be happy for improvements. [16:13:23] manybubbles: hrmmm, fwiw, the page in question is already noindexed [16:15:16] MatmaRex: PHP doesn't do threading... [16:21:44] Reedy: sure, but maybe servers can do many copies of the script at once? you probably have dozens of cores just sitting there being bored [16:22:15] * MatmaRex has no idea waht he's talking about [17:15:02] MatmaRex: probably half categories are just on one wiki? :) [17:39:18] MatmaRex, see how rebuildLocalisationCache.php does parallel stuff [19:25:08] @seen Varnent [19:25:08] Base: I have never seen Varnent [19:25:32] @seen varnent [19:25:32] Base: Last time I saw varnent they were quitting the network with reason: Ping timeout: 264 seconds N/A at 10/5/2013 9:38:30 AM (7d9h47m2s ago) [19:32:26] @seenrx [Pp]latonides.* [19:32:27] Base: Last time I saw Platonides they were quitting the network with reason: no reason was given at 10/9/2013 11:40:45 PM (2d19h51m41s ago)