[00:04:43] <Romaine>	 is there a way to have that section Templates used on this page: at the bottom of a page always expanded?
[01:56:02] <Elsie>	 Romaine: I think it uses a cookie, doesn't it?
[01:56:04] <Elsie>	 If not, it should...
[01:56:14] <Elsie>	 You can override the behavior on a per-user basis with additional JavaScript.
[01:56:17] <Elsie>	 Presumably.
[01:58:17] <Romaine>	 it uses cookies yes, but not handy if you visit a lot of wikis
[01:59:01] <Romaine>	 I was hoping there is some .mw-templatesUsedExplanation {  ...  } to be used to make them always expanded
[02:10:57] <Romaine>	 Elsie?
[02:11:14] <Elsie>	 Romaine: Sorry, you mean some CSS?
[02:11:30] <Elsie>	 Romaine: I assume you have a global JS or CSS page set up?
[02:11:47] <Elsie>	 Also, I'm distracted, you gotta ping me. ;-)
[02:11:56] <Romaine>	 yes, I have such page
[02:12:04] <Romaine>	 I only need to know what code to be used
[02:12:11] <Elsie>	 JS or CSS?
[02:12:25] <Romaine>	 css and js are both fine, I would prefer css I guess
[02:12:36] <Elsie>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-10-02/News_and_notes # Your comment here was interesting, BTW.
[02:13:00] <Romaine>	 thanks :)
[02:13:17] <Romaine>	 I really would like to see to get that improved
[02:13:43] <Betacommand>	 does anyone have coren's cell number to give him a call?
[02:14:11] <Elsie>	 No.
[02:14:15] <Elsie>	 That's a silly question, Betacommand.
[02:14:26] <Elsie>	 It's presumably on the office wiki.
[02:14:37] <Betacommand>	 Elsie: not really, labs has an outage
[02:14:46] <Elsie>	 But if there's an emergency, you should go to #wikimedia-operations and explain there.
[02:14:55] <Elsie>	 That's not an emergency.
[02:15:07] <Elsie>	 If you find a new database leak, that's an emergency. ;-)
[02:15:20] <Betacommand>	 Elsie: his job is to keep labs running
[02:15:37] <Elsie>	 Not really.
[02:15:51] <Elsie>	 Anyway, did you try e-mail?
[02:16:01] <Elsie>	 There's a mailing list and he has a personal e-mail address.
[02:16:26] <Betacommand>	 Elsie: you might want to check your facts, he is paid for that. Several hours ago and zero response so far
[02:17:38] <Elsie>	 Betacommand: I see your e-mail.
[02:17:41] <Elsie>	 It isn't very helpful.
[02:18:08] <Betacommand>	 Elsie: what would be helpful?
[02:18:27] <Elsie>	 File a bug, I suppose. :-)
[02:18:32] <Elsie>	 And include any relevant queries.
[02:18:40] <Betacommand>	 Elsie: filed yesterday
[02:18:41] <Elsie>	 So that someone else can verify your findings and verify when the issue is fixed.
[02:18:44] <Elsie>	 Which bug?
[02:19:14] <Elsie>	 If it was filed yesterday and nobody has responded, either it's not an emergency or there's gross negligence. ;-)
[02:19:30] <Elsie>	 We'll assume good faith and say it's not an emergency.
[02:19:41] <Elsie>	 Romaine: I think I've got it.
[02:19:53] <Elsie>	 Romaine: I think you want something like...
[02:20:02] <Betacommand>	 Elsie: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=54934
[02:20:24] <Elsie>	 .templatesUsed .mw-collapsed { display: block !important; }
[02:20:29] <Elsie>	 Romaine: Try that on a test wiki? ^
[02:20:33] <Romaine>	 let me try
[02:20:58] <Elsie>	 Betacommand: Thanks for the link.
[02:21:20] <Romaine>	 Elsie: seems to work
[02:21:32] <Elsie>	 \o/
[02:22:09] <Romaine>	 thanks \o/\o/
[02:23:09] <Betacommand>	 Elsie: last time there was an outage of the nfs servers for 6+ hours and no one notified coren, he got PISSED about that
[02:31:35] <Romaine>	 Elsie: in general speaking, what I wrote as comment, what I do as technical ambassador for nl-wiki seems to work well
[02:33:25] <Romaine>	 would be nice to have some sort of WMF ambassador as well
[02:43:44] <Elsie>	 Betacommand: Then perhaps you can e-mail him and he'll send you his phone number to report outages. :-)
[02:44:00] <Elsie>	 Romaine: WMF has "community liaisons".
[02:44:03] <Elsie>	 Whatever those are.
[02:44:17] <Elsie>	 Romaine: By the way, if you know CSS, I can show you how I found that answer.
[02:44:26] <Elsie>	 It was just looking at "Inspect Element" in my Web browser.
[02:47:34] <Romaine>	 Elsie: I wouldn't have guessed that the code you gave be can be distracted out there
[02:50:52] <Elsie>	 Distracted out there?
[02:51:00] <Elsie>	 I'm not sure what you mean. :-)
[02:52:50] <Romaine>	 sorry, English isn't my native language
[02:53:40] <Elsie>	 No worries.
[02:54:27] <Romaine>	 I can understand the source code of a page, but not what to do with it in cases like this
[02:54:48] <Elsie>	 I was just saying that I could teach you to fish ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Give_a_man_a_fish ). ;-)
[02:55:12] <Elsie>	 In the page source, you can watch the element change.
[02:55:15] <Elsie>	 With inspect element.
[02:55:27] <Elsie>	 So you can see it go from display:none; to display:block;.
[02:55:37] <Elsie>	 And then the CSS just overrides that with an "!important".
[02:56:07] <Romaine>	 I used previous another class as test
[02:56:50] <Elsie>	 :-)
[02:57:14] <Romaine>	 there are two classes just after each other and my logic chose the other one
[03:00:23] <Elsie>	 Betacommand: Bumped the bug a bit.
[03:00:52] <Elsie>	 Romaine: Good thing we have this channel. :-)
[03:01:06] <Elsie>	 There's also [[m:Tech]].
[03:01:38] <Romaine>	 usually everyone else on nl-wiki asks me about this kind of stuff later on :)
[03:03:40] <Elsie>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Snippets # Perhaps a good candidate?
[03:04:41] <Elsie>	 Betacommand: Thanks for mailing the list and commenting on the bug, BTW.
[03:04:50] <Elsie>	 I'm hoping we can also get graphs of replication lag.
[03:04:54] <Elsie>	 I'm not sure any exist currently.
[03:05:00] <Betacommand>	 Elsie: they dont
[03:05:00] <Elsie>	 Though perhaps buried in ganglia.
[03:05:14] <Elsie>	 Yeah, so that'll probably be a separate bug, then. :-)
[03:12:38] <closedmouth>	 Elsie: http://ganglia.wmflabs.org/latest/?r=hour&cs=&ce=&c=tools&h=tools-login&tab=m&vn=&mc=2&z=medium&metric_group=NOGROUPS_|_Replication+Lags#mg_Replication_Lags ?
[03:13:58] <Elsie>	 closedmouth: Maybe!
[03:14:03] <Elsie>	 You're a wizard, 'arry.
[05:34:00] <gry>	 How do I check username availability on all wikis, incuding usernames registered locally without centralauth?
[05:37:50] <Jasper_Deng>	 no real way other than CA, gry
[05:37:55] <Jasper_Deng>	 Toolserver tools use CA
[05:38:10] <legoktm>	 gry: use sulutil
[05:38:33] <Jasper_Deng>	 which is CA
[06:04:41] <Elsie>	 Jasper_Deng: Not if it's showing unattached accounts. :-)
[06:05:55] <Nemo_bis>	 ;)
[06:06:05] <Elsie>	 https://toolserver.org/~quentinv57/tools/sulinfo.php?username=B&showinactivity=1
[06:06:12] <Elsie>	 gry: That tool should do it.
[06:06:25] <Elsie>	 It has a separate section for "List of unattached accounts".
[06:06:27] <Nemo_bis>	 my favourite is http://toolserver.org/~pathoschild/stalktoy/
[06:24:22] <Bsadowski1>	 Elsie
[06:24:25] <Bsadowski1>	 ?
[06:24:26] <Bsadowski1>	 Hmm
[06:27:00] <Elsie>	 Bsadowski1?
[07:34:08] <gry>	 thank you, Elsie
[10:48:20] <Kelson>	 We are force to change our password by login at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:ChangePassword (due to the last sec. issue)... but changing seems impossible in my case. Error is "Password change has been aborted by an extension."
[10:49:41] <Kelson>	 same on WPFR
[10:49:41] <gry>	 At mediawiki.org?
[10:49:58] <Kelson>	 gry:  login at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:ChangePassword 
[10:50:41] <gry>	 I changed mine, wfm.
[10:51:05] <gry>	 Although I was already logged in when I did that.
[10:52:36] <Kelson>	 gry: uk.wikimedia.org works...
[10:53:56] <Kelson>	 gry: ok, now my concrete case is fixed, I have achieved to change my password on uk.wikimedia.org, but mediawiki.org and fr.wikipedia.org were failing and I was unable to login *at all*
[18:09:24] <danilo_>	 Ryan_Lane: Hi, I'm trying to log in gerrit with my Wikitech account, but I'm getting the error "Invalid username or password.", i have tried chage my pass, but I'm still getting the same error, my username is "Danilo"
[18:16:23] <danilo_>	 anyone knows how to sove my problem ^ ?
[18:18:48] <T13|needsCoffee>	 danilo_: 
[18:19:19] <T13|needsCoffee>	 Are you logging in with your wikitech username or your shell username?
[18:21:01] <danilo_>	 Wikitech, but I have already tried shell and it also don't works
[18:21:56] <T13|needsCoffee>	 Don't know what else to suggest.  Sorry
[18:22:13] <danilo_>	 ok
[18:38:00] <danilo_>	 Ryan_Lane: Hi, I'm trying to log in gerrit with my Wikitech account, but I'm getting the error "Invalid username or password.", i have tried chage my pass, but I'm still getting the same error, my username is "Danilo"
[18:40:10] <MatmaRex>	 danilo_: hmm, maybe qchris could be able to help you?
[18:45:14] <danilo_>	 can you help me, qchris?
[18:51:51] <Base>	 @seen thehelpfulone
[18:51:51] <wm-bot>	 Base: thehelpfulone is in here, right now
[18:52:41] <T13|needsCoffee>	 @seenrx ^thehelpful
[18:52:41] <wm-bot>	 T13|needsCoffee: I have never seen ^thehelpful
[18:52:56] <T13|needsCoffee>	 @seenrx $thehelpful
[18:52:56] <wm-bot>	 T13|needsCoffee: I have never seen $thehelpful
[18:53:01] <T13|needsCoffee>	 Huh
[18:56:10] <Base>	 what does seenrx do?
[18:56:51] <T13|needsCoffee>	 Regex seen search
[18:56:57] <T13|needsCoffee>	 @help seenrx
[18:56:57] <wm-bot>	 Unknown command type @commands for a list of all commands I know
[18:57:15] <T13|needsCoffee>	 Which has no specific help apparently.
[18:57:41] <T13|needsCoffee>	 @seenrx thehelpful*
[18:57:41] <wm-bot>	 T13|needsCoffee: I have never seen thehelpful*
[18:58:02] <T13|needsCoffee>	 And it seems to be touchy..
[18:58:16] <T13|needsCoffee>	 @seenrx thehelpfulone
[18:58:16] <wm-bot>	 T13|needsCoffee: thehelpfulone is in here, right now
[18:58:28] <T13|needsCoffee>	 @seenrx ^thehelpfulone
[18:58:28] <wm-bot>	 T13|needsCoffee: I have never seen ^thehelpfulone
[18:58:45] <T13|needsCoffee>	 @seenrx $thehelpfulone
[18:58:45] <wm-bot>	 T13|needsCoffee: I have never seen $thehelpfulone
[18:58:51] <T13|needsCoffee>	 Anyways...
[18:59:35] <Base>	 @seenrx thehelpgul.*
[18:59:35] <wm-bot>	 Base: I have never seen thehelpgul.*
[18:59:47] <Base>	 @seenrx thehelpful.*
[18:59:48] <wm-bot>	 Base: I have never seen thehelpful.*
[19:00:07] <T13|needsCoffee>	 Base, try in a channel he's not in.
[19:01:55] <T13|needsCoffee>	 @seenrx Thehelpfulone
[19:01:55] <wm-bot>	 T13|needsCoffee: Thehelpfulone is in here, right now (multiple results were found: Thehelpfulone_, Thehelpfulone2)
[19:02:10] <T13|needsCoffee>	 Case sensitive it seems.
[19:02:11] <Base>	 wow
[19:02:22] <T13|needsCoffee>	 @seenrx Thehelpful
[19:02:23] <wm-bot>	 T13|needsCoffee: Last time I saw Thehelpfulone they were talking in the channel, they are still in the channel. It was in #wikipedia-en-helpers at 10/2/2013 11:07:07 PM (3d19h55m15s ago) (multiple results were found: Thehelpfulone_, Thehelpfulone2)
[19:02:34] <Base>	 @seen [Tt]ehelpful.*
[19:02:34] <wm-bot>	 Base: I have never seen [Tt]ehelpful.*
[19:02:43] <Base>	 @seenrx [Tt]ehelpful.*
[19:02:43] <wm-bot>	 Base: I have never seen [Tt]ehelpful.*
[19:02:59] <Base>	 @seenrx [Tt]hehelpful.*
[19:02:59] <wm-bot>	 Base: Last time I saw Thehelpfulone they were talking in the channel, they are still in the channel. It was in #wikipedia-en-helpers at 10/2/2013 11:07:07 PM (3d19h55m51s ago) (multiple results were found: Thehelpfulone_, Thehelpfulone2)
[19:03:38] <Base>	 3 days its quite a lot ago
[19:03:46] <T13|needsCoffee>	 Meh.
[19:05:04] <qchris>	 danilo_: Sorry, was afk. I'll have a look.
[19:09:42] <qchris>	 danilo_: Mhmm cannot find any signs of you in gerrit.
[19:09:51] <qchris>	 danilo_: Did you manage to sign in before?
[19:13:29] <danilo_>	 qchris: no, never, I have used my account in wikitech only for Tool Labs
[19:14:03] <qchris>	 danilo_: And logging in to wikitech works?
[19:14:08] <danilo_>	 yes
[19:14:33] <qchris>	 danilo_: Are you using a temporary password from resetting the wikitech password?
[19:15:45] <danilo_>	 yes
[19:16:35] <qchris>	 gerrit does not like temporary passwords.
[19:16:50] <qchris>	 danilo_: Set a new password.
[19:17:00] <qchris>	 danilo_: Then it should work.
[19:19:19] <danilo_>	 qchris: sorry, my engligh is not good, what you mean temporary pass? I changed my pass yesterday, but I had the same pass for months before this
[19:20:20] <qchris>	 danilo_: By "temporary password" I was referring to the password you get by email when you click the "I forgot my password" link.
[19:21:01] <danilo_>	 no, I never clicked this link
[19:22:12] <qchris>	 Interesting...
[19:23:35] <qchris>	 Since I currently cannot query LDAP, and that will take some more time ... could you send me an email, so we can resolve this tomorrow or the day after?
[19:24:39] <danilo_>	 ok
[21:08:52] <geekou>	 hello everyone! I can't find the information on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Statistics , I just would like to know the average
[21:09:05] <geekou>	 Internet bandwidth used by wikipedia
[21:09:17] <geekou>	 and if possible the part used by SSL connections
[21:09:26] <geekou>	 (already asked on #wikipedia but I was redirected here :))
[21:09:40] <Krenair>	 I doubt that information is calculated.
[21:09:45] <Platonides>	 you may have more luck in ~24h
[21:09:57] <Platonides>	 where there will be more staff working
[21:10:08] <geekou>	 okay
[21:10:11] <geekou>	 thanks Platonides :)
[21:10:37] <geekou>	 Krenair: they know the amount of traffic they generate somehow, because they have to pay for this one moment or another ;)
[21:10:52] <geekou>	 (at least)
[21:16:02] <Krenair>	 geekou, they have to pay for the amount they use in total, not specifically for how much *.wikipedia.org uses
[22:17:44] <geekou>	 Krenair: I guess that's the most of their bandwidth...
[22:17:53] <geekou>	 I just need an estimation, not precise figures
[22:27:15] <databaseError>	 I can't purge File:Building_the_Wikipedia_Android_app_using_the_cross-platform_PhoneGap_framework_-_San_Francisco_Wikipedia_Hackathon_2012.ogv
[22:28:19] <databaseError>	 http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6202709/
[22:41:13] <hhjghgh>	 ghg
[22:41:28] <hhjghgh>	 раз раз пидораз
[22:41:35] <hhjghgh>	 работает
[22:52:33] <hhjghgh>	 привет