[05:05:54] Nemo_bis: There are worse replacements. [05:05:58] Regressions! [05:06:09] Though I agree that it's a bit wordy. [05:06:43] I'll remove "much better". [05:06:58] Nemo_bis: Which Billingshurst request? [05:07:01] Billinghurst? [05:07:03] sDrweth [05:07:07] sDrewth [05:07:09] Typing is hard. [05:07:51] Nemo_bis: Puns are always appropriate. :-( [05:08:01] nah [05:08:32] Lame. [05:08:43] I'm unsure in what languages the ($prefix) puns work [05:09:26] It seems my typos like to multiply billing. Inappropriate during debt ceiling crisis. [05:09:43] Okay, time to send the message. [05:09:45] legoktm: All clear? [05:10:02] It looked fine to me a while back :P [05:10:15] Nemo_bis: what did billinghurst want? [05:10:27] see talk [05:10:33] Which talk? [05:10:52] sigh, I was just kidding, jokes are not explained [05:11:10] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_talk:MassMessage#Default_account_name_33668 [05:11:18] Jokes require being funny. [05:12:22] Okay, sending now. [05:12:43] > With great power comes great responsibility [05:12:48] I'm so clever. [05:13:47] THEN WHO WAS PHONE? [05:14:02] ... [05:14:18] I suspect Elsie is too excited than appropriate for this deployment [05:14:33] Mostly just ready for bed. [05:14:38] Also, the deployment is over. [05:14:40] I don't understand how you two can joke around while Puppet freshness is CRITICAL. [05:14:41] I'm wondering what notification would be appropriate for end customers [05:14:53] You think it should use Echo? [05:15:00] nah [05:15:08] You think it needs more GIFs? [05:15:12] I mean notification in wiki terms, not in rubbish terms [05:15:20] "That's like, WMF stuff, no?" [05:15:22] Not sure what you mean. [05:15:26] ori-l: we're ruthless brave unconsiderate [05:15:39] I have no idea what that sentence means. [05:15:46] Elsie: as in notification of a discussion [05:16:08] as in [05:16:20] Oh. [05:16:25] You mean after you submit the form? [05:17:42] clear [05:17:48] [this works I hope] [05:17:50] /clear [05:17:56] nope [05:18:03] /unclear [05:18:06] maybe [05:18:10] !clear [05:18:10] ^C [05:18:19] {{clear}} [05:18:20] though perhaps Elsie accepts commands in another format [05:18:24] ~clear [05:18:32] this stupid bot is not responding [05:18:36] * Nemo_bis kicks Elsie [05:18:38] Anyway [05:18:45] ------------------ [05:18:59] Nemo would like to start a new conversation. [05:19:03] Clearly. [05:19:11] Beverly Cleary? [05:19:18] I'm wondering, how should be let the end users/targets/notified/notificanda of this new tool? [05:19:32] Suddenly Beverly. [05:19:45] Nemo_bis: Presumably most of them don't care at all. [05:19:46] Nemo_bis: Well, they really shouldn't see any change [05:20:00] Most people don't ask where their spam comes from. [05:20:04] They just ignore it or delete it. [05:20:39] This is a more honest representation. We're assuming we can and should care only about "those with power" using the tool [05:20:56] The others are just their victims or puppets. Oooooook [05:21:10] They're called "slaves" in the code. [05:21:42] If you have a more derogatory term we can use, I'm sure we can make an update. [05:21:56] Puppet freshness is CRITICAL. [05:22:35] Nemo_bis: This tool is designed for power users. [05:22:43] It's only accessible by administrators. [05:23:31] Ah, slaves. Makes perfect sense, the bot is just being nice and saying "ciao" around [05:24:07] !ciao | Nemo_bis [05:24:16] hmm. [05:26:12] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:LivingBot [05:26:14] Adorbz. [05:27:46] Looks like :w:en: prevented the echo pings :D [05:28:10] w:en: [05:28:28] You'd think I would've gotten them. [05:28:36] You didn't? [05:28:41] Nope. [05:28:51] Ah [05:28:56] Because EdwardsBot didn't sign [05:28:57] Maybe they're all queued. [05:29:01] I signed. [05:29:18] I'm pretty sure echo looks for the editors signature who made the edit [05:29:20] * legoktm looks at the code [05:29:29] Oh, maybe. [05:29:35] Not really, though. [05:29:39] {{mention|foo}} [05:29:41] Or whatever. [05:29:43] * Elsie shrugs. [05:33:29] https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Echo/blob/master/includes/DiscussionParser.php#L546 [05:33:29] so it's looking for [[User:EdwardsBot]] ~~~~~ [05:33:29] at the very least [05:33:37] That's not how mentions work. [05:38:09] I'm pretty sure it is [05:38:40] The email I got telling me I had a new talk page message on meta came from no-reply-notifications@mediawiki.org [05:39:00] If I add [[User:Legoktm]] to a talk page, you'll get a notification. [05:39:18] Only if you sign it or already have signed it [05:39:19] EdwardsBot added [[User:MZMcBride]] to many talk pages. [05:39:26] Oh, really? [05:39:50] Hmm. [05:40:07] Okay, time for sleep. [05:40:15] gnite [05:46:19] legoktm: yes, every single header in the enotifs was modified [05:46:33] except some Received headers [05:46:38] why mediawiki.org though? [05:46:43] the notification was on meta [05:47:12] Unexpected thing causes unexpected effect on Echo. Oh so unexpected. [05:49:40] For completeness, it's actually even worse: [05:49:40] From: Meta [05:49:40] Reply-To: No Reply [05:54:58] what's wrong? [05:55:33] legoktm complained about the @mediawiki.org part [05:55:51] mhm [05:55:53] * Nemo_bis is not complaining [10:09:35] anyone knows what is yahoo_agent31136 (~yahoo_age@anonymous.user) nick and what the hell is it for, or his operator? [10:12:42] alchimista: channel? [10:12:55] on wikimedia irc? or freenode? [10:12:58] Steinsplitter: #pt.wikipedia on irc.wikimedia.org [10:13:17] one process is beeng killed every new message on channel, so it's flooding it [10:17:11] Spitzname: yahoo_agent32622 [10:17:12] Benutzer: ~yahoo_age@anonymous.user [10:17:12] Echter Name: Yahoo listener robot [10:17:16] hmm o_O [10:18:10] indeed, the bot is flooding the channel with reconnects [10:19:18] and for now, there's not too many edits, when the rush hours come, more noise will be added [10:19:37] isn't this channel is for bots, not humans? [10:20:17] it is LIVE RC [10:20:36] MaxSem: yes it is, but more messages on channel, will demand more processing power for bots, and it's beeng killed every new message on channel [10:24:20] can you open a bug? [10:43:50] Steinsplitter: a bug to kik the bot? [10:49:23] alchimista: yes, to ban the bot [10:50:22] Steinsplitter: {{done}} [10:50:36] alchimista: :) link? [10:50:47] Steinsplitter: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=54821 [10:51:26] :) [13:07:32] Are en.m.wikipedia.org pages supposed to show up in search results? [13:09:25] toolserver WWW problems are to be reported here? [13:09:44] malafaya, if it's the old toolserver, #wikimedia-toolserver [13:09:59] or do you mean toollabs [13:10:09] mutante, i already reported it there, but no one seems to be able to do anything [13:10:20] https://toolserver.org [13:10:31] doesn't open (Bad Gateway) [13:13:22] malafaya: all i know is there is some ticket about needing more disk space [13:13:34] do you know nosy? [13:13:42] no [13:14:06] she should be able to check [13:14:56] no replies in the toolserver channel you said? hmm [13:15:51] mutante: http://www.pic-upload.de/view-20885298/Aufzeichnen.jpg.html any idee why? [13:17:09] oh, but edit saved [13:17:23] Steinsplitter: sorry, no idea, but it looks bad enough that it should become a bug attachment [13:18:21] mutante: i hav discouraged the translation. :/ maby about this [13:24:47] malafaya: mailto ts-admins@toolserver.org? [13:24:48] Steinsplitter: bug bug please [13:50:52] andre__: around? [14:07:15] alchimista, hi [14:07:42] andre__: hi, i'm commenting on https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=54821 [14:08:15] andre__: could you enter on irc://irc.wikimedia.org/pt.wikipedia ? [14:09:30] the problem is in an wikimedia's irc channel, not freenode, and the bot isn't a wikimedia one, but seems someone else's bot [14:11:06] alchimista: sounds like that requires channel operators to block that account. [14:11:20] which is something that Freenode staffers can do. Or anybody who can become op in that channel. [14:11:38] andre__: irc.wikimedia.org runs on freenode? [14:11:51] nope, is not freenode [14:12:05] this is wikimedias OWN irc-RC server [14:12:06] uhm. sorry. my reading skills today aren't good obviously :-/ [14:12:54] alchimista: garr. I completely failed to realize "irc.wikimedia.org", several times. I'm sorry [14:13:19] andre__: no problem, everyone has the right to his momentanious fail ;) [14:13:30] sigh :) [14:13:31] O.O wmf has an irc server? [14:14:24] Sid-G: irc://irc.wikimedia.org [14:14:44] cool. what's it for? [14:15:11] recent changes feed. mw throws recent changes to several channels [14:15:48] pt wikipedia's recent changes feed goes to irc://irc.wikimedia.org/pt.wikipedia [14:17:24] ooh [16:08:03] Anyone know why the page element is empty in this api query? http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?format=xml&action=query&titles=Abraham%20Lincoln [16:09:28] elplatt: doesn't action=query need list=, prop=, or meta= ? [16:09:36] you didnt ask for anything [16:09:49] did you want https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?format=xml&action=query&titles=Abraham%20Lincoln&prop=info ? [16:10:27] I'd like to get the full text as well. [16:10:51] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?format=xml&action=query&titles=Abraham%20Lincoln&prop=info|revisions&rvprop=content [16:11:04] you could also just use ?action=raw [16:11:52] thanks legoktm, that works! [22:11:34] Can anyone assist, several people have tried and failed, but picture select template just will not function on http://no.wikinews.org/ [22:11:34] The template is here https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Template:Picture_select [22:11:35] If someone may help this would be very handy for the article [22:25:24] ? [23:09:25] Computron_: Can you link to an example where it doesn't work? [23:28:33] i'm getting a 502 on https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=575358860&oldid=575357842 [23:28:34] twice now [23:28:51] three :/ [23:29:07] working now [23:29:12] same here [23:42:38] Hi. I'm working on a lua module. How do I get the number of matches when using ustring.gmatch All I need is the number of matches. I dont need to do anything with the matches so iterating over the results is unnecessary and I cant figure out how to find the number without iteration [23:43:17] legoktm: oh, I got it while testing cirrussearch, that explains why I can't reproduce now :) [23:43:35] heh [23:43:49] Sid-G: i think you have to iterate and just increment a variable [23:44:01] anomie|away: ^ [23:44:10] legoktm: so no way to do this without iteration? [23:44:15] legoktm: weird though, icinga only reported esams being briefly down [23:44:19] * Sid-G was hoping to avoid that stupidity [23:45:51] i dont think so, but i'm a lua noob [23:46:59] legoktm: well i'm noobier. i seem to be able to get everything wrong [23:47:55] legoktm: trying to get https://hi.wikipedia.org/s/6yyi to work right. failing miserably [23:48:59] * legoktm looks [23:49:08] * Sid-G smells a bug [23:49:20] legoktm: usage at https://hi.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%A6%E0%A4%B8%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AF:Siddhartha_Ghai/sandbox [23:49:59] what is the expected output? [23:50:20] legoktm: refresh the page [23:51:52] ok [23:51:56] good news, 1/4 work! [23:52:30] Sid-G: try adding some more debugging output and check whether it's being subtracted properly [23:52:49] legoktm: how to debug in lua? [23:53:03] > * Use mw.log() in module code to send messages to this console. [23:53:17] scroll down a bit farther and you'll see it ;) [23:53:17] Sid-G: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Scribunto#Debugging_and_error_reporting [23:53:26] Is there anyway to get the list of members of a category from a lua module? [23:53:27] ah right [23:53:55] T13: you might be able to scrape the parser output [23:55:27] uh, where's this "Scribunto debug console"? is it the html comments that lua makes? [23:56:59] Sid-G: http://cl.ly/image/1l153j3b0245 [23:57:09] * Sid-G looks [23:57:12] you can type in that box [23:57:50] hmm, never scrolled down enough to see that [23:57:55] thanks legoktm :) [23:58:42] np