[02:53:04] <Krenair>	 Kelson, hi, are you maintaining ukwikimedia's new site now?
[03:01:53] <jeremyb>	 Krenair: yes (at least for the transition)
[03:02:04] <jeremyb>	 but he's also asleep
[03:02:13] <jeremyb>	 it's throwing 504
[03:02:40] <jeremyb>	 you really have some wikimedia uk peoples sitting in #wikimedia to watch for reports that pop up in there
[07:43:30] <Kelson>	 apergos: Reedy: good morning
[07:43:46] <apergos>	 morning, you're lucky I'm on (I'm not really here)
[07:44:31] <Kelson>	 apergos: Reedy: so migrated wikis looks more or less ok. One problem: the users contributions lists are empty (but recent change is OK)... any idea why?
[07:45:10] <Kelson>	 I thought the "users lists" are directly computed from the "revisions" table... 
[07:45:19] <p858snake|l>	 didn't you create new users?
[07:45:40] <p858snake|l>	 there is a maintence script afaik that you can run
[07:46:11] <Kelson>	 p858snake|l: I have recreate the users with the same ids like on the old db
[07:46:41] <p858snake|l>	 Kelson: any reason you are not running the latest stable?
[07:46:45] <Kelson>	 p858snake|l: I don't have found a script for that... and as far as I understand there is no dedicated table for "user contributions"
[07:47:02] <Kelson>	 p858snake|l: I don't have acces to it.
[08:11:39] <Nemo_bis>	 Kelson: did you manage to import logs?
[08:12:01] <Kelson>	 Nemo_bis: "loggin" table is filled
[08:12:19] <Kelson>	 Nemo_bis: but as far as I know, users contributions are not based on this table
[08:12:36] <Nemo_bis>	 blank page http://wiki.wikimedia.org.uk/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&offset=&limit=500&type=&user=
[08:12:47] <Nemo_bis>	 sure, some log entries will be "fake"
[08:13:22] <Nemo_bis>	 hmm special:log actually has nothing imported
[08:13:39] <Nemo_bis>	 no idea where that "older 1" comes from
[08:13:48] <Nemo_bis>	 at http://wiki.wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Special:Log I mean
[08:14:27] <Nemo_bis>	 hmmmm " If you did not receive your new password, please activate "Enable email from other users" in your old user profile and your new password will be sent to you over night!"
[08:14:59] <Nemo_bis>	 ah, because the accounts were already created
[08:15:49] <Nemo_bis>	 anyway, special:log has same problem as special:contributions
[08:16:05] <Kelson>	 Nemo_bis: worth, we get a blank page
[08:17:10] <Nemo_bis>	 are you sure tables got their index created?
[08:17:14] <Kelson>	 Nemo_bis: PHP message: PHP Catchable fatal error:  Argument 1 passed to Language::listToText() must be an array, null given, called in /var/www/wiki/w/includes/logging/LogPage.php on line 266 and defined in /var/www/wiki/w/languages/Language.php on line 3005" while reading response header from upstream
[08:17:42] <Nemo_bis>	 O_o
[08:18:16] <Nemo_bis>	 there must be some clash between local and imported log entries?
[08:19:29] <Nemo_bis>	 or just some NULL column which needs to be populated <-- /me is very helpful
[08:19:46] <Kelson>	 Nemo_bis: There could be some clahs... maybe
[08:20:31] <Nemo_bis>	 I assume you checked the recently updated https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Data_dumps/Tools_for_importing ?
[08:23:41] <Kelson>	 Nemo_bis: I have use the php script to import the logging table
[08:23:51] <Kelson>	 in "maintenance'
[08:24:04] <Kelson>	 ImportDump.php -
[08:24:10] <Nemo_bis>	 yeah
[08:24:20] <Nemo_bis>	 never heard of someone using that lately :)
[08:24:34] <ori-l>	 hello
[08:24:48] <Nemo_bis>	 they didn't even try for wikitech, log entries were just trashed
[08:25:57] <Nemo_bis>	 can't find brave testers in bugzilla either
[08:26:00] <Nemo_bis>	 hi ori-l 
[08:26:51] <ori-l>	 how should we visualize the breakdown of module payload size?
[08:27:07] <ori-l>	 i'd like to build some kind of on-screen gadget
[08:27:30] <ori-l>	 the data i have is the name of each module and the size of its CSS and JS, in bytes
[08:28:14] <Kelson>	 Nemo_bis: ok... :(
[08:28:27] <Nemo_bis>	 you mean the average size of it loaded by users?
[08:28:37] <Nemo_bis>	 Kelson: please document your steps, it's unmapped territory
[08:28:42] <ori-l>	 it's not average; it's exact
[08:28:49] <Nemo_bis>	 (as always for you :P)
[08:29:04] <Nemo_bis>	 ori-l: I mean, in the ganglia graphs, if that's what we're talking about
[08:29:29] <ori-l>	 no, this would be a gadget for editors
[08:29:44] <Nemo_bis>	 ori-l: ah, so where would it live?
[08:29:55] <ori-l>	 you'd trigger it somehow (a hotkey?) and it'd display in a modal, presumably
[08:30:00] <Nemo_bis>	 we would need people like Rillke to tell us what they'd like
[08:30:01] <Kelson>	 Nemo_bis: this is not rocket science, just untar the logging table and use importDump.php
[08:30:15] <Kelson>	 Nemo_bis: I mean the logging xml.bz2 file
[08:30:33] <Nemo_bis>	 Kelson: yeah, if the script worked :) import/export *never* works as expected in MediaWiki
[08:31:06] <Kelson>	 Nemo_bis: looks, like, the logging table has only 700 entries... it should maybe have sometine like 60.000
[08:31:28] <ori-l>	 the names are mostly hierarchical -- extensions are ext.*,  etc
[08:31:49] <ori-l>	 so maybe: http://bl.ocks.org/adewes/4710330/94a7c0aeb6f09d681dbfdd0e5150578e4935c6ae
[08:32:06] <ori-l>	 err, http://www.andreas-dewes.de/code_is_beautiful/
[08:32:35] <Kelson>	 Nemo_bis: IMO, I'm going to leave like that and just try to fix the problem with the blanck page
[08:33:14] <Nemo_bis>	 Kelson: it's probably the same problem, it seems special:log doesn't know how to orientate in the table (otherwise why that "older 1")
[08:33:55] <Nemo_bis>	 ori-l: but how are those names for gadgets and the like?
[08:34:30] <ori-l>	 Nemo_bis: see for yourself! open a wiki page, then open your JS console, and type:
[08:34:49] <ori-l>	 mw.loader.getModuleNames().filter( function(m) { return mw.loader.getState(m) === 'ready'; } );
[08:34:52] <Nemo_bis>	 I bet importDump.php still "uses" a schema which is years old https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Logging_table#Schema
[08:35:39] <Nemo_bis>	 like, what happened to log_id?
[08:44:36] <Nemo_bis>	 ori-l: ok, so you need something that allows to navigate in that mass of ext.gadget.*
[08:45:43] <Nemo_bis>	 Kelson: ah sorry, I misread; so the import was not complete? one bug to file (there will be many, I expect)
[08:45:44] <ori-l>	 yeah, have you seen http://www.andreas-dewes.de/code_is_beautiful/ ?
[08:46:35] <Kelson>	 Nemo_bis: yes, it looks like these bugs are never handled..
[08:47:24] <Nemo_bis>	 ori-l: yeah, it's first thing I thought of (like that disk space utility I always forget the name of)
[08:47:43] <ori-l>	 filelight? http://fosswire.com/post/2008/01/filelight-a-kde-disk-usage-tool/
[08:47:55] <Nemo_bis>	 Kelson: often they're not even filed, which is even worse; or they're not even experienced because people give up before trying, worse still
[08:47:59] <Nemo_bis>	 ori-l: yes
[08:48:07] <ori-l>	 also: http://www.daisydiskapp.com/
[08:48:16] <Nemo_bis>	 I love filelight
[08:48:40] <Nemo_bis>	 lol, mac users pay for that?
[08:49:55] <Kelson>	 Nemo_bis: I have already filled a few ones
[08:50:00] <Kelson>	 Nemo_bis: at least one
[08:53:25] <Nemo_bis>	 Kelson: I don't see it
[08:55:37] <Nemo_bis>	 heh, Rillke dominates ns8 RC https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&limit=500&days=30&namespace=8&translations=noaction
[08:59:25] <Steinsplitter>	 [82e75823] 2013-09-28 08:58:50: Fatal exception of type MWException o_O on meta
[09:00:16] <Nemo_bis>	 page?
[09:00:26] <Steinsplitter>	 https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_language
[09:01:02] <Nemo_bis>	 what are you trying to do there
[09:01:12] <Nemo_bis>	 please leave the #babel alone :)
[09:02:32] <Nemo_bis>	 ori-l: so you would create some sort of gadget that displays the payload while one navigates the wiki?
[09:02:45] <ori-l>	 2013-09-28 08:58:50 mw1086 metawiki: [82e75823] /w/index.php?title=User_language&action=submit Exception from line 77 of /usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.22wmf18/includes/parser/StripState.php: Invalid marker: ^?UNIQ459185a96264daa3-languages-00000000-QINU^?
[09:02:57] <ori-l>	 um
[09:02:58] <Nemo_bis>	 the usual unbalanced tags
[09:03:06] <Steinsplitter>	 Nemo_bis: only added <translate> o______O
[09:03:11] <Nemo_bis>	 Steinsplitter: check yout math :P
[09:03:15] <ori-l>	 dunno if you'd keep it on all the time
[09:03:26] <Nemo_bis>	 you answered yourself, where is the </translate>? :)
[09:03:27] <Steinsplitter>	 ok
[09:03:38] <ori-l>	 maybe something you can load onto the page if you have a 'why the f is this page so slow' experience
[09:03:46] <Steinsplitter>	 hhmmahah O_O searching.
[09:03:50] <Steinsplitter>	 thanks
[09:04:02] <Nemo_bis>	 ori-l: sure, I mean something you enable when you want to debug
[09:04:11] <Nemo_bis>	 a big like cat-a-lot maybe
[09:04:21] <Nemo_bis>	 *bit
[09:04:46] <ori-l>	 yeah, i guess so. i didn't know about cat-a-lot, looking at it now
[09:05:07] <Steinsplitter>	 ori-l: cat a lot? hm... dos not eat lot traffic? or what you mean?
[09:05:17] <ori-l>	 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Gadget-Cat-a-lot
[09:05:31] <Nemo_bis>	 though cat-a-loy doesn't survive when you exit the category page
[09:05:31] <Steinsplitter>	 yes.
[09:05:43] <Steinsplitter>	 HotCat?
[09:05:50] <ori-l>	 http://bl.ocks.org/mbostock/4063423
[09:06:31] <ori-l>	 i'm not sure whether to simply add together the CSS and JS or whether to indicate each quantity someho
[09:06:33] <Nemo_bis>	 that looks a bit more messy, but it doesn't matter much
[09:06:50] <Nemo_bis>	 filelight gives you such info when you hover, iirc
[09:06:59] <Nemo_bis>	 that's one way
[09:07:20] <ori-l>	 yep
[09:07:42] <ori-l>	 i've been looking for a good existing implementation that i could plug the data into since i'm not very, er, design-oriented
[09:08:36] <ori-l>	 options: http://infoviz.org/test/piechart.html https://dev.anuary.com/858b33b7-bd66-507b-a9f1-533e4de79ba3/ http://dealloc.me/demos/crime/2011.html http://blog.stephenboak.com/2011/08/07/easy-as-a-pie.html 
[09:12:29] <YuviPanda>	 ori-l: you're not very design oriented? LIES! :P
[09:13:17] <ori-l>	 really not
[09:13:57] <YuviPanda>	 :P sure.
[09:14:53] <ori-l>	 sample data captured on my dev instance https://dpaste.de/zv3X/raw/
[09:15:48] <ori-l>	 tho i think there's danger in using a single dimension to weigh each module
[09:16:19] <ori-l>	 there are small modules that are nonperformant and large modules that are performant
[09:23:53] * ori-l  sleeps

[09:30:20] <YuviPanda>	 night, ori-l
[11:29:15] <cortexA9>	 guys
[11:30:13] <cortexA9>	 is it normal that i can't see after 10 nodes on en.wikipedia.org here http://traceroute.monitis.com/ in europe section ?
[13:05:08] <malafaya>	 ciao, Nemo_bis
[13:05:31] <malafaya>	 i wonder if you could tell me what is now holding this change: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/85516/ ?
[13:05:54] <malafaya>	 i see there is a Dependency there
[13:26:18] <Nemo_bis>	 malafaya: nothing is holding it, don't worry and just be patient
[13:26:38] <Nemo_bis>	 pt.wikt has had the wrong logo for 7 years, it can wait a week :)
[13:42:01] <malafaya>	 :)
[14:44:45] <Kelson>	 Krenair: hi
[14:45:10] <Kelson>	 Krenair: Yes, I maintain the new wiki.wikimedia.org.uk wiki
[15:35:18] <Krenair>	 Kelson, please do not use 1.20.5
[16:53:31] <jackmcbarn>	 who's allowed to approve db changes?
[16:53:47] <jackmcbarn>	 (i know the db group, but who specifically?)
[16:56:14] <T13|naps>	 jackmcbarn: after months of hanging out in here, you might get a quicker response suggesting what you want changed than asking who can do it.
[16:56:31] <jackmcbarn>	 indexing logging.log_user_text
[16:56:32] <jackmcbarn>	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/85508/
[16:56:44] <jackmcbarn>	 and i've asked this before in here, never got a response
[16:57:49] <Jasper_Deng>	 Elsie: http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#Restricting_edit_to_logged_in_user <-- please confirm my "I'm about 99% sure" statement
[16:58:06] <Jasper_Deng>	 no IP editing is probably something that's been brought up on another wiki before
[16:59:49] <closedmouth>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Perennial_proposals#Prohibit_anonymous_users_from_editing
[17:00:17] <T13|naps>	 jackmcbarn: try -dev ?
[17:00:52] <T13|naps>	 Is there a bz ticket?
[17:01:00] <jackmcbarn>	 yes
[17:01:11] <jackmcbarn>	 54432
[17:01:46] <T13|naps>	 Then you might have to be virtuous. ;)
[18:00:21] <jeremyb>	 cortexA9: hops*
[18:01:08] <cortexA9>	 yes jeremyb sorry.
[18:02:38] <jeremyb>	 cortexA9: http://dpaste.com/1399190/plain/
[18:03:41] <Elsie>	 Jasper_Deng_away: Thanks, replied.
[18:04:50] <jeremyb>	 jackmcbarn: you want springle-away or binasher
[18:05:10] <jeremyb>	 jackmcbarn: i suggest trying on a pacific US weekday
[18:07:51] <Elsie>	 jeremyb: Asher no longer works for the Wikimedia Foundation.
[18:07:57] <Elsie>	 I'm not sure if he'll continue in a volunteer role.
[18:08:20] <jeremyb>	 Elsie: are you sure?
[18:08:58] <jeremyb>	 huh, not on staff page
[18:09:31] <Elsie>	 https://wikimediafoundation.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Staff_and_contractors&action=history
[18:09:38] <Elsie>	 I'm not sure it was announced.
[18:09:57] <Elsie>	 Anyone know which bug tracks the security issue in CleanChanges?
[18:10:03] <Elsie>	 Presumably the TWN folks will want to update...
[18:10:13] <Elsie>	 Nemo_bis: ^
[18:10:31] <Elsie>	 I find the main page of git.wikimedia.org to be useless.
[18:11:39] <jeremyb>	 Elsie: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/q/project:mediawiki/extensions/CleanChanges,n,z ?
[18:12:07] <Elsie>	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/86080/
[18:12:11] <jeremyb>	 so then https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/86080
[18:12:11] <Elsie>	 Ah, there we aer.
[18:12:12] <jeremyb>	 right
[18:12:12] <Elsie>	 are
[18:12:24] <jeremyb>	 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/54531
[18:12:30] <jeremyb>	 bye!
[18:12:55] <Elsie>	 Bye!
[18:13:26] <Elsie>	 Oh, it's only an XSS issue for users with the 'deleterevision' permission.
[18:13:29] <Elsie>	 "Only."
[18:13:35] <Elsie>	 I guess those are the accounts you'd want to target the most, heh.
[18:16:52] <Nemo_bis>	 No, it wasn't announced anywhere.
[18:17:15] <Krenair>	 What's the point in having a security bug when you post the patch in gerrit?
[18:18:01] <Nemo_bis>	 I'm not sure that's really the patch in question
[18:19:12] <Daniel78>	 Hi, I have a bot on commons that times out with HTTP 504 gateway timeout. See for example: https://dpaste.de/B6BS This started about a month ago. The bot has earlier been stable for years. Any ideas ?
[18:19:14] <Krenair>	 Well it says Bug: 54531
[18:19:21] <Krenair>	 which links to an unauthorised error
[18:22:28] <Nemo_bis>	 sure, but that only means it's related to that bug, not that it's *the* fix for it
[18:23:41] <Platonides>	 Daniel78, from where is it editing?
[18:25:37] <Daniel78>	 norway
[18:26:16] <Elsie>	 Krenair: That's a fair question.
[18:26:20] <Elsie>	 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=54740
[18:26:24] <Elsie>	 Bug about git.wm.o. ^
[18:26:27] <Elsie>	 I'm about to file another.
[18:26:53] <Nemo_bis>	 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43046 ?
[18:27:39] <Elsie>	 Daniel78: What is the bot doing?
[18:27:48] <Elsie>	 Can you pastebin the relevant script?
[18:28:10] <Elsie>	 I think Commons has general issues with thumbnail generation.
[18:28:34] <Elsie>	 But I'm not sure that's related here.
[18:29:10] <Daniel78>	 Elsie: the bot is handling the feature pictures process at commons, and editing related pages regarding votes for images
[18:30:02] <Nemo_bis>	 Ah. Those pages are very nasty
[18:30:10] <Elsie>	 It might be helpful if you can directly capture the POST request and the server's response.
[18:30:31] <Elsie>	 pywikibot may have a flag for this or a debug file output something.
[18:30:32] <Elsie>	 Dunno.
[18:30:40] <Elsie>	 It's been years and years since I used pywikibot.
[18:31:15] <Nemo_bis>	 Daniel78: are you sure it's not just the pages getting horribly long hence uneditable?
[18:31:18] <Daniel78>	 yes I did this run with -debug. I can find the log
[18:31:31] <Elsie>	 https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons:Featured_picture_candidates/Log/September_2013&action=history
[18:31:33] <Nemo_bis>	 there is also https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=54122
[18:31:39] <Elsie>	 That page is 15,000 bytes...
[18:31:40] <Daniel78>	 the pages are long, but the bot ran for years without a single problem
[18:31:55] <Elsie>	 Lots of transclusions and images, though.
[18:32:07] <Elsie>	 What's the point of the log?
[18:32:13] <Nemo_bis>	 Maybe some templates were made more expensive or something
[18:32:40] <Elsie>	 http://p.defau.lt/?EsWFo8X94a3lvRgpsO4t7w
[18:32:44] <Elsie>	 Doesn't look too bad.
[18:33:19] * Nemo_bis  is waiting for his timeout

[18:34:07] <Kelson>	 Krenair: ok... I plan to make an update soon. What is the problem with 1.20.5 ?
[18:34:38] <Krenair>	 Kelson, well the most obvious ones are the security issues with it
[18:34:59] <Kelson>	 Krenair: ok
[18:35:07] <Nemo_bis>	 There it is, I got a timeout with a manual edit too
[18:35:22] <Daniel78>	 Elsie: Nemo_bis: https://dpaste.de/MUJU
[18:35:56] <Krenair>	 Kelson, just take a look at the 1.20.6 and 1.20.7 security release emails. I take it you are subscribed to mediawiki-announce
[18:36:13] <Daniel78>	 seems like it got 504 after 2 minutes
[18:37:15] <Elsie>	 Kelson: wiki.wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/ is a lot of wiki. :-)
[18:37:35] <Elsie>	 I was getting gateway errors last night, BTW.
[18:37:42] <Elsie>	 Seems better now.
[18:37:51] <Kelson>	 Elfix: yes, the migration was a little bit Rock & Roll
[18:37:58] <Elsie>	 And the notification e-mail had an awful typo in it.
[18:38:04] <Kelson>	 Elsie: yes, the migration was a little bit Rock & Roll
[18:38:06] <Kelson>	 Elfix: sorry
[18:38:06] <Elsie>	 :-)
[18:38:19] <Krenair>	 wikiukwikimediawiki
[18:39:43] <Platonides>	 Elsie, no more than http://wiki.wikimedia.org.es/wiki/Portada
[18:40:20] <Elsie>	 Platonides: It's equally silly there, yes. :-)
[18:40:36] <Elsie>	 These wikis could at least use /view/.
[18:40:39] <Elsie>	 With or without action paths.
[18:41:15] <Elsie>	 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=54741
[18:43:57] <Elsie>	 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=54742
[18:47:36] <Elsie>	 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=54743
[18:47:40] <Elsie>	 Okay, I think I'm finished.
[18:48:13] <Daniel78>	 Any idea what I can do about the gateway timeout I am seeing ?
[18:48:26] <NotASpy>	 that's not so much a bug report as an infestation, Elsie ;-)
[18:48:56] <Elsie>	 :D
[18:55:31] <Daniel78>	 might it help to put the bot on another server ?
[19:07:44] <Elsie>	 Daniel78: Not at all, I don't imagine.
[19:07:56] <Elsie>	 It's an issue on the server side, not the client side.
[19:17:44] <Daniel78>	 hm too bad, nothing I can do then. I have disabled the bot for now
[20:18:37] <Kelson>	 Nemo_bis: I can not myself find anymore my bug report about importDump.php I thought I have made a few months ago....:(
[20:35:22] <Nemo_bis>	 ouch
[20:36:03] <Nemo_bis>	 Kelson: I can file the bug about partial log import for you if you want; any information you want to paste here would be nice :)
[20:40:39] <Elsie>	 The migration seems to have a lot of lessons to be learned from it.
[20:40:54] <Elsie>	 For example, if you send users a password in plaintext, the software really ought to prompt them to reset as soon as they log in.
[20:43:50] <Nemo_bis>	 Elsie: does core do that (I think it does, just checking)?
[20:45:52] <Elsie>	 I think so.
[20:46:14] <Elsie>	 Though I seemed to have discovered a core issue while poking around the new wiki.
[20:46:38] <Nemo_bis>	 There is https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ImportUsers but I doubt it's that smart.
[20:47:01] <Nemo_bis>	 One could build upon https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:InviteSignup but it's quite a different approach.
[20:47:44] <Elsie>	 Anti-spoof is fucking aggressive.
[20:48:20] <Nemo_bis>	 :)
[20:48:20] <Elsie>	 And the CAPTCHA is awful.
[20:48:23] <Nemo_bis>	 orly
[20:48:35] <Elsie>	 It only took me about ten tries to make an account on test.wikipedia.org...
[20:48:59] <Elsie>	 Hmmm.
[20:49:06] <Nemo_bis>	 You lack imagination!
[20:49:12] <Elsie>	 So on test.wikipedia.org, I get a confirmation notice post-password change.
[20:49:19] <Elsie>	 I didn't get a confirmation on wiki.wikimedia.org.uk.
[20:49:22] <Elsie>	 I wonder if the password changed.
[20:49:36] <Nemo_bis>	 I usually create accounts with sysop accounts to override antispoof
[20:49:42] <Elsie>	 Seems so.
[20:50:44] <Nemo_bis>	 Main issue, currently, is the failed import log and the confused special:contributions
[20:50:48] <Nemo_bis>	 AFAIK
[21:36:06] <legoktm>	 The issue is the user_id is different
[21:36:13] <legoktm>	 (re wiki.wikimedia.org.uk)
[21:36:24] <legoktm>	 We ran into the same issue when moving Uncyclopedia
[21:36:31] <legoktm>	 well, we did it less worse.
[21:36:39] <legoktm>	 should have used https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MediaWikiAuth >.>
[21:39:08] <Nemo_bis>	 contributions doesn't use user_id
[21:39:19] <Nemo_bis>	 or it does since recently, I alwyas forget
[21:39:31] <legoktm>	 it does
[21:39:39] <legoktm>	 well, at least for logged in users
[21:53:55] <Nemo_bis>	 legoktm: does that extension create only-local accounts starting with last-id-on-remote-wiki + 1 or what
[21:54:19] <Nemo_bis>	 (the installation docs look rather simplistic)
[21:54:23] <legoktm>	 if you're importing an account, it uses your old user_id so everything works fine
[21:54:53] <legoktm>	 we had to fiddle with the database so new accounts get user_id's higher than the highest one on the old site
[21:54:54] <Nemo_bis>	 yeah but it can't if another account was already created with that user_id can it :)
[21:55:07] <Nemo_bis>	 yep
[21:55:35] <Nemo_bis>	 it would be useful to document that step
[21:56:43] <Nemo_bis>	 I quoted you on the page for the meanwhile
[21:57:03] <legoktm>	 ah thanks
[21:59:26] <Nemo_bis>	 did you also do something to avoid takeover of the old usernames?
[22:03:42] <ytrezq>	 Hello, I have this question: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/19071110/how-to-ask-a-ligne-of-code-directly-in-scribunto
[22:04:39] <legoktm>	 ytrezq: you can't.
[22:04:59] <legoktm>	 you could do it in https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Lua though
[22:05:04] <ytrezq>	 Thanks
[22:06:48] <ytrezq>	 Of course, it is not availaible on wikipedia :)
[22:07:10] <legoktm>	 yup
[22:09:59] <Nemo_bis>	 found the culprit
[22:10:03] <Nemo_bis>	 works: http://wiki.wikimedia.org.uk/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&offset=20130902230906&limit=1
[22:10:07] <Nemo_bis>	 doesn't work: http://wiki.wikimedia.org.uk/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&offset=20130902230906&limit=2
[22:10:31] <ytrezq>	 nor any language are avaible for use on article directly (except wiktext)
[22:11:10] <Nemo_bis>	 Kelson: what can be breaking your new wiki in this log entry? :/ https://uk.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&offset=20130902230906&limit=2
[22:12:28] <Nemo_bis>	 (I'm also seeing way more than 600 log entries now! dunno if 60k)
[22:25:11] <Nemo_bis>	 Elsie: I created http://wiki.wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/WMUK_wiki_migration/tech#Known_issues
[22:32:37] <Nemo_bis>	 Also https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Data_dumps/Tools_for_importing#Making_the_imported_wiki_functional
[22:33:46] <ytrezq>	 Hello I need help please. I want to convert this C expression in lua : (date+=mouth<3?y--:y-2,23*mounth/9+d+4+year/4-year/100+year/400)%7
[22:34:31] <ytrezq>	 Wait i mean (date+=mouth<3?year--:year-2,23*mounth/9+d+4+year/4-year/100+year/400)%7
[22:35:12] <ytrezq>	 Wait i mean (date+=mouth<3?year--:year-2,23*mounth/9+date+4+year/4-year/100+year/400)%7
[22:38:37] <T13|needsCoffee>	 What's a mounth?
[22:39:29] <ytrezq>	 an error: I wanted to write month
[22:39:59] <ytrezq>	 again corrected:  (date+=mouth<3?year--:year-2,23*month/9+date+4+year/4-year/100+year/400)%7
[22:41:13] <ytrezq>	 I must that I don't understand what a comma does (2,23). But It work on all compilers
[22:42:03] <ytrezq>	 say
[22:46:34] <ytrezq>	 One part of the problem is that lua doesn't really have Ternary conditional.
[22:50:56] <marktraceur>	 I thought it had if/else for that
[22:52:44] <ytrezq>	 but this article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%3F:#Lua made a suggestion on that
[22:54:57] <marktraceur>	 ytrezq: http://lua-users.org/wiki/TernaryOperator
[22:55:17] <marktraceur>	 mounth?
[22:56:55] <marktraceur>	 Oh
[22:58:03] <marktraceur>	 Hm
[22:58:56] <marktraceur>	 ytrezq: Is this for calculating the day of the week based on the date, month, and year?
[22:59:40] <ytrezq>	 Yes, and i want to translate it because it the shorter I have found
[22:59:50] <marktraceur>	 Because it looks like you're screwing up the year variable in your ternary
[22:59:54] <ytrezq>	 Yes, and i want to translate it because it the shortest I have found
[22:59:56] <marktraceur>	 And then it has no effect because of the comma
[23:00:08] <marktraceur>	 ytrezq: Shorter is almost never better, write a module for it
[23:00:20] <marktraceur>	 Or maybe lua already has date functions you can use, sec.
[23:00:56] <marktraceur>	 ytrezq: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Scribunto/Lua_reference_manual#os.date
[23:01:44] <marktraceur>	 os.date( '*t', sometime )
[23:02:08] <marktraceur>	 Then the member "weekday" of that table is what you want
[23:02:12] <ytrezq>	 Ah sorry, I thought it didn't exist
[23:02:23] <marktraceur>	 Sorry, wday.
[23:02:39] <marktraceur>	 And you don't mangle the year variable in the process, which is nice
[23:02:50] <marktraceur>	 You'll need to use os.time to get the appropriate epoch time though
[23:06:30] <ytrezq>	 The formulla already work: I used in a calendar. I didn't created it: http://web.archive.org/web/20051106034807/http://members.aol.com/s6sj7gt/mikecal.htm
[23:07:00] <ytrezq>	 Usually, Shorter mean less greedy in computing power
[23:07:28] <ytrezq>	 though I know sometimes it is not the case of course
[23:09:11] <marktraceur>	 ytrezq: If you use compactness of code as a metric for optimisation, I feel really bad for anyone who has to help maintain your code. :)
[23:15:59] <ytrezq>	 Yes but I code for very embeded systems with very low ressource most of the time: it mean no OS bare metal, no C/C++ librarie or include (no cin/cout no scanf, no printf ... etc) and that optimization>(maintainability && readability).
[23:17:16] <ytrezq>	 This formule have also the advantage to need nothing in a that point of way. I am bad at coding without size and speed at primary target in mind :p