[00:27:37] Pathoschild you around? [00:28:01] Slightly. [00:28:06] What's up? [00:28:11] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:%E3%81%A8%E3%81%82%E3%82%8B%E7%99%BD%E3%81%84%E7%8C%AB/Turkish_Wikipedia_open_proxy_candidates [00:28:21] I would like to seek a 4th opinion on these IPs [00:28:46] can you confirm if they are OPs or not? [00:29:07] I want to seek their global block if they are OPs [00:31:38] Dunno; I don't have the tools I used to have for checking them. They certainly seem like spam powerhouses, though. [00:32:40] aw [00:32:48] who has such power tools? [00:32:53] stewards only? [00:33:54] Nope, anyone can use them. They're not on-wiki tools. [00:34:30] Though checkusers are your best bet, since they're usually more knowledgeable about how to use them (and make sense of the results). [00:35:08] well... any reconmendations? I dont want to randomly bother people [00:37:21] Try asking in a wiki channel, or ask checkusers who are online. [00:39:54] Pathoschild I have been doing that for hours [00:40:08] I dont know who is a checkuser on irc [00:40:18] is there even a checkuser channel I can join? [00:42:19] Not that I know of; checkusers usually lurk in the wiki channels. I don't checkuser anymore, so I'm out of the loop. [00:49:57] Pathoschild you are an infinite loop :p [00:59:07] ToAruShiroiNeko: Thanks. I think. ;) [11:03:42] do we still have reports of people not getting to second step after upload in uploadwizard? [11:03:53] I have one which looks like that [11:04:53] apergos: hello [11:04:59] hello [11:05:25] i'm not getting any exceptions for fiwiki with the latest build [11:05:29] hm [11:05:39] (at least not for the first 150k revs) [11:06:11] I'm running it again and not seeing it but that's worrying [11:06:21] (yes, I removed the old output files before running it) [11:06:29] ah there it is, exception [11:06:42] date; (bzcat /root/fiwiki-20130916-pages-meta-history.xml.bz2 | /root/idumps c fiwikimetafull 20130916 - ph /mnt/data/root/fiwiki-pages-meta-hist-20130916-newformat.dd sh /mnt/data/root/fiwiki-stubs-meta-hist-20130916-newformat.dd); date [11:06:45] that's the command line [11:08:46] what switch should I give for progress reporting, and can I tell it how often to report? [11:09:43] it should report progress automatically every 10k revs, there is no switch yet (because i wasn't sure what command line syntax to use), but i could easily add it [11:10:00] ok, that's weird, i got an exception now too [11:10:20] ok, well sure, allow us to turn it on or off and specify how many revs too [11:10:34] ok [11:10:42] (because then I can run it a few times and tell you exactly which rev) [11:10:57] ...*sigh** why'd I leave the tech report so late? [11:11:03] ...Alright, because I was ill. Still... [11:12:13] ok, that's really weird: idumps c … < dump.xml works, but cat dump.xml | idumps c … doesn't [11:12:19] i'll look into it [11:12:45] and i'll add the switch [11:18:15] great [11:21:40] after that, i should start working on starting documenting the code [11:24:18] yep [11:25:05] Anyone know anything about Wikipedia Zero? [11:29:03] apergos: if there's nothing else, then i'll let you know when i've fixed the exception, see you [11:29:25] thanks! [11:35:32] ...Need a lead article for the Signpost Tech Report... Planned on Campaigns, but I'm going to have to delay them... [11:36:50] do we have an issue with arWP? [11:37:01] getting an error message [11:38:29] AdamCuerden: nothing much that I have seen in the space, a little talk about indexing [11:38:46] and how they are going to redo the roadmap [11:45:46] Note to staff ARWIKI is probelmatic [11:45:56] AdamCuerden: the most recent mention of WP0 in discussions was https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Privacy_policy#Unsampled_request_logs.2Ftracking I think [11:46:06] not saving edits, dumping to error page [11:46:25] more "official" stuff will be in the usual places (project pages and so on) [11:46:45] sDrewth: what staff? what edits? [11:48:15] edits are edits, error page five times in ten minutes is failure to edit [11:48:53] yes but edits through what interface, normal edit, pp, api, ... [11:49:43] also to what sort of pages, like 1 MB of templates calls or page with 1 line of text :) [11:49:53] anyway if you get a fatal you must file a bug [11:50:01] ar.wikipedia ? [11:51:00] just trying to edit https://ar.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=القدس and update a file link [11:51:02] something simple [11:55:01] I can't find anythin in the logs [11:55:06] not fatal nor exception [11:59:53] apergos: If you report this error to the Wikimedia System Administrators, please include the details below. [11:59:53] Request: POST http://ar.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%82%D8%AF%D8%B3&action=submit, from 208.80.154.133 via cp1020.eqiad.wmnet (squid/2.7.STABLE9) to 10.64.0.136 (10.64.0.136) [11:59:53] Error: ERR_READ_TIMEOUT, errno [No Error] at Wed, 18 Sep 2013 11:59:41 GMT [12:00:18] read timeout [12:00:34] so maybe it never makes it to the apaches, since I see neither exception nor fatal nor anything else [12:00:36] great :-/ [12:00:57] or at least maybe it makes it there and never gets to the point of dying nicely so it can be logged [12:01:13] HEy, does anyone feel like writing two to ten paragraphs about a project they're excited about to go out to thosand of people? [12:01:13] :-/ [12:02:07] Because, thanks to being a little ill, my planned lead is probably going to be delayed to next week if anyone can make it easy =) [12:21:44] ah at least, it's in the slow parse log [12:21:47] so that might be a clue [12:22:07] not sure where to take things from here though [12:24:50] apergos: thanks for looking, it will just have to rot. Can only do what is reasonable [12:25:16] I would recommend bz -inng it if it's fairly reproducible [12:26:50] tomorrow when I am not dozing off at the keyboard [12:27:51] cool [13:32:19] Nemo_bis: Not AFAIK [17:55:17] Reedy: care to try those checkuser queries as they are (with LIMIT 5001)? [17:55:37] Yeah, can just do them on a pmtpa slave [17:56:01] manybubbles: ^d when you get a chance, can you make this page current? (where stuff is enabled/an option) https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Search/Timeline we can work on the future part after, I just lost track of where things were now :) [17:56:39] greg-g: I can! Did we decide on a time to update elasticsearch in production? [17:57:21] manybubbles: we had "today", I liked your solution/bash script idea, so, this afternoon? [17:57:42] saper: Can't be the correct query [17:57:45] hi andre__ [17:57:46] Both are empty set [17:57:57] sumanah, heja! [17:58:10] greg-g: sure! I'm happy to do it. The bash script won't be in puppet for a few days while debates are had, I'm sure, but I can run it manually. [17:58:18] greg-g: what time? [17:58:36] saper: Oooorrr [17:58:40] They were old and purged [17:59:14] the rows that is [17:59:21] Same result using the checkuser interface [18:00:08] manybubbles: let's do.... 2pm [18:00:11] pacific [18:00:31] manybubbles: is that ok for you? [18:00:33] greg-g: perfect! I'll add it to my calendar. [18:00:40] word [18:01:31] Reedy: so... ? RESOLVED INVALID? [18:01:40] possibly [18:01:51] Removing old rows will make the queries quicker to run [18:02:23] aah [18:02:52] I misunderstood, you mean "normal queries" time out, not the one against 10.64.0.127 [18:03:02] No [18:03:08] I mean doing them via the web interface [18:03:11] for that ip [18:03:33] ok [18:03:42] do we have RFC1918 squids now? [18:04:17] ^d and greg-g: do you have a sense when we might want to go to enwikisource and cawiki? [18:05:34] I think that's mostly a question for you :) how comfortable are you with them? are they ready? are the search nodes capable of the load? [18:05:39] greg-g: updated https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Search/Timeline [18:05:59] thanks [18:07:12] <^d> manybubbles: I'm fine whenever. [18:07:21] ah u [18:07:29] found https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48919 [18:09:18] ^d manybubbles: those two on Monday afternoon? after the Core team weekly? [18:09:34] greg-g: I'm comfortable. I'd like to wait to hear that Nemo_bis is going well because we've already deployed to itwiktionary. as search nodes - we've barely crossed the .1 load average number [18:10:14] manybubbles: awesome :) [18:10:35] <^d> Nemo_bis said we could turn itwikt to primary if we wanted too :p [18:10:46] heh... [18:17:42] manybubbles: ^d alright, I'll put you in for Monday at 3pm pacific, cool? [18:18:25] <^d> Aw, so far away :p [18:18:50] greg-g and ^d: yay! 3pm pacific monday, lets cut itwiktionary to primary and switch the enwikisource and cawiki on secondary [18:21:16] manybubbles: ^d do ya'll have any other planned/possible next places? [18:21:25] got some other languages lined up? [18:22:19] greg-g and ^d: robla wants us to just do will the wikisources and wiktionaries. I've not heard a great argument against other than a big bang from a performance perspective. [18:22:43] moar wikis [18:22:49] <^d> Well A) that needs more outreach before we do, and B) We want to make sure it's not making things worse. [18:22:57] MOAR [18:22:59] <^d> ie: languages we don't support fully that are falling back to english stemming. [18:23:11] ^d: they'll fall back to no stemming [18:23:27] I _think_ the only language that is worse off in that case is Esperanto. [18:23:31] but I'll have to recheck [18:23:38] * greg-g sings a Brother Ali song now... [18:24:32] I agree the outreach needs to happen. I'd suggest doing it in bulk for the next round [18:24:39] yeah [18:24:49] we could follow the SSL model? [18:24:51] * manybubbles nod [18:25:29] ie: do a blog/technews call for interested communities [18:25:50] NO WE DON'T WANT BETTER SEARCH [18:25:51] GO AWAY [18:26:06] well, it maybe be slightly experimental for some, no? [18:32:32] <^d> Slightly experimental > patently broken ;-) [18:32:47] <^d> I know ua.wm.o would love Cirrus, if we supported Ukrainian. [18:36:39] how's the if part? :) [18:57:44] csteipp: are you done with your deploy? [18:57:59] mwalker: Yes [18:58:09] awesome! greg-g: starting :) [18:58:18] :) [18:58:21] ""Not supported"" https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ATranslate&taction=export&group=page-Template%3ADiscussion+bottom%2Ftext&language=en&task=export-to-file [18:58:25] export broken? [19:05:33] *ping* Nemo_bis [19:42:48] :'-( [20:21:35] hi guys, error on WP posted by a friend on twitter (so sorry for the lack of information) http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/396279erreur.png reads "Erreur probable dans la concordance des horloges : heure serveur = Wed Sep 18 2013 20:35:00 GMT +0100 (BST) >> heure client = Wed Sep 18 2013 20:15:33 GMT +0100 (BST)" [20:22:37] couldn't find it on the bugzilla, did find it mentionned in an old (2008) frwp tech village pump, left unanswered https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Questions_techniques/semaine_45_2008 [20:24:13] Alphos: That looks like a local customization on frwiki [20:24:40] It's not a "real" MediaWiki error, it looks like something the frwiki community put in to warn people whose computers' clocks are off [20:25:05] RoanKattouw : in the 2008 report, the right timestamp was the "heure client" ("client time") [20:25:51] It's also possible the server's clock is off [20:25:53] otoh, this doesn't preclude the "heure serveur" from being calculated by the customization you mentionned [20:25:59] Yes, exactly [20:26:07] this one is going to be tough to pinpoint ^^' [20:26:18] Does your friend still have that tab open? [20:26:24] (I somewhat doubt it because this was like an hour ago) [20:26:28] i could try to look into it if you want [20:26:41] i doubt it as well, been trying to get some more info from him though [20:27:02] you're thinking of the info commented at the bottom of the page, right ? [20:27:30] i've asked him if it was on frwp that he encountered it, and if he was logged in, still waiting for his answer [20:27:39] Yes [20:27:57] In the meantime, let me see if there are any servers with really spurious clocks [20:27:58] will keep you posted [20:28:07] thanks :) [20:28:10] Hi [20:28:20] Did you guys change something on Wikisource? [20:28:32] Just to annoy you [20:28:33] When? [20:28:39] i'd be curious what client and server the message is referring to [20:28:48] define 'Wikisource', define 'you guys', define 'something' [20:28:55] <^d> Define change. [20:28:56] I changed everything [20:28:56] <^d> And on. [20:28:57] en.wikisource.org [20:29:06] I do it regularily [20:29:09] I've nothing better to do [20:29:15] For a moment I lost the ability to advance between pages in a djvu based work [20:29:33] Perfect, respond to a problem with unfriendly irony! [20:29:37] is the problem resolved, then? can you reproduce it still? [20:30:14] It'sresolved for now [20:30:19] <^d> I fixed it! [20:30:21] I'll assume something hickuped [20:30:22] You're welcome. [20:30:33] <^d> I fixed all the bugs! [20:31:00] Qcoder00: cool, be on the look out and let us know if it happens again ;) [20:31:00] er :) [20:31:00] no wink required [20:31:02] ^d O RLY ? even those in my code that's unrelated to wikimedia ? thanks buddy ! :p [20:31:14] Alphos: ^d is a maniac [20:31:32] <^d> Alphos: You're welcome. [20:31:43] greg-g : as am i ^^' [20:31:52] greg-g: You don't have to be mad to work here, It's an entry requirement! [20:31:54] XD [20:32:02] <^d> You mad bro? [20:32:06] you don't, but it sure helps [20:32:11] s/work/lurk/ [20:33:20] s/$/g/ [21:13:01] * ankry noticed that ProofreadPage does not work on plwikisource [21:13:13] for an hour or so [21:13:22] any hints? [21:15:08] That's possibly the second report [21:18:31] czołem ankry [21:19:12] ankry: How do you mean, it doesn't work? [21:19:51] twkozlowski: picyures in Page: namespace are not displayed [21:20:15] works for me. [21:20:16] twkozlowski: no links to previous/next page based on index page [21:20:21] https://pl.wikisource.org/wiki/Strona:Henryk_Sienkiewicz-W_pustyni_i_w_puszczy.djvu/011 [21:21:34] twkozlowski: Right, now works. Posibly temporary problem [21:22:12] ankry: Is the lack of links still present? [21:22:51] twkozlowski: links are back [21:23:11] twkozlowski: was it a software upgdade? [21:23:37] upgrade [21:24:37] or maybe some problem with scripts downloading [21:24:49] fortunately it disappears already [21:25:08] ankry: no idea, but I haven't seen any updates w/ regards to Wikisource [23:04:58] gn8 folks [23:05:34] o/