[00:03:12] superm401: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/83834 [05:53:07] hello [11:01:34] apergos, svick: hello [11:01:38] hello [11:01:50] hi [11:02:04] I see group compression of diff dumps was just patched. [11:02:11] yeah [11:02:22] yep [11:03:26] i'm now working on the memory issue i mentioned yesterday, after that you'll be able to start your tests, apergos [11:03:33] great [11:04:07] hello apergos [11:04:30] (in meeting now cortexA9) [11:04:47] ok apergos [11:04:53] oh, and one good thing about group compression of diff dumps is that it means that applying diff doesn't require recompression anymore [11:05:03] which is the best thing evah [11:05:46] :-) [11:10:37] hmm, i can't think of anything else to discuss [11:10:53] tbh me neither, all talk out after yesterday [11:10:56] *talked [11:11:15] yeah [11:11:42] OK so see you guys tomorrow then. [11:12:33] ok, see folks then! [11:12:36] ok, so i'll let you know when the memory fix is done later today [11:12:41] see you [11:12:42] great [11:12:50] (I'll prolly see the commit go by) [12:13:57] petan: ping [12:21:41] Nemo_bis: what u need? [12:22:21] petan: it seems someone needs a package installed on tools, seen it? http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikilovesmonuments/2013-September/006641.html [12:27:19] no I didn't, why they don't fill in a bug in bz [12:27:34] ah they did [12:28:15] well, Coren did set up so complicated process for package installation that it takes incredible amount of time to perform a simplest package installation, thus I don't have a time for that most of time [12:28:17] they will need to wait [12:29:43] petan: ah :/ how so [12:30:10] * Nemo_bis remembers a time when someone said "oh we don't need to look what packages toolserver users need, it's so easy to install them yourself on labs" [12:30:27] thanks for helping anyway :) [12:30:41] yes it is [12:30:48] in fact /you/ can install them [12:30:55] you just need to follow the same process [12:31:43] checkout gerrit, install gerrit review, configure it, sync it, set up your credentials, change the puppet config, commit, request a pull, wait few weeks for someone to have a look on that and eventually merge it [12:32:10] !packagessimple is checkout gerrit, install gerrit review, configure it, sync it, set up your credentials, change the puppet config, commit, request a pull, wait few weeks for someone to have a look on that and eventually merge it [12:32:11] Key was added [12:32:41] in fact I have to do exactly the same as you, so it doesn't really matter who of us install it [12:33:22] I really loathe gerrit, and I am trying to avoid all repositories I don't have +2 on, which are all of them... [14:40:42] apergos: i have commited the memory-related change, so you can test it now; if you have any questions or if anything doesn't work, i'll be here or on jabber [14:40:49] thanks! [15:24:59] hi [15:25:37] MediaWiki:Sp-contributions-footer is visible only in interface language it is for, isnt it? how to make it visible for all languages? [15:26:42] Base-w: copy it to all subpages like MediaWiki:Sp-contributions-footer/fr, MediaWiki:Sp-contributions-footer/de etc [15:26:49] Base-w: and yeah, that sucks :) [15:27:04] MatmaRex: so no normal way? [15:27:12] none i know if [15:27:14] of* [15:27:35] at some point copying it to your / subpage will work [15:27:51] like /en on Meta and /uk on uk.wiki [15:28:01] i want to make it localizable but if i mark this page itself but not template in it then translations can be done only by interfaceedit privieled users [15:28:25] that's an entirely different matter [15:28:29] what wiki is this [15:28:38] meta/outreach/wd [15:28:57] all wikis that have ext. translate actualy [15:29:07] Commons just got unstructured translation enabled, you may want to test it [15:29:11] as it made for RC text [15:29:28] in wd meta and outreach [15:29:54] where you can translate text via https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Recentchanges/text [15:30:10] or same in another projects [15:30:34] Nemo_bis: what does that unstructured translation mean? [15:30:36] well, for now you can copy the template to all the subpages in languages for which it exists [15:30:48] this https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:Translate/Unstructured_element_translation [15:31:02] but then i need to monitore if smb added a new translation [15:31:28] and in case of meta and wd ask sysops since i havent got interfaceedit there [15:33:01] ah i have read these docs some time ago [15:33:17] well, that's not a new thing [15:33:47] hmm [15:33:49] how could you transclude the right template? [15:34:45] Nemo_bis: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Recentchangestext?action=edit [15:36:49] sigh [15:36:58] well, you can still do that [15:37:25] Nemo_bis: hmm what if i put smth like {{int:MediaWiki:Sp-contributions-footer-i18n}} and put template there. will it work for all languages then? [15:39:23] Nemo_bis: if i do for MediaWiki:Sp-contributions-footer the same as MediaWiki:Recentchangestext i think it wouldnt work. MediaWiki:Recentchangestext is visible regardless my interface language but MediaWiki:Sp-contributions-footer is not [15:44:26] sure, I mean provided that you copy that code to subpages [16:00:17] Nemo_bis: to copy its as many messages as langs for several messages. toooooo much [16:10:36] Nemo_bis: where is it set what languages are visible regardless of your language and what only if there is translation to your language availible? [16:11:22] also MediaWiki:Sp-contributions-footer used to work by first way till some not far past. who changed it and why? [16:16:29] will the password-reminder system work if you tell it the recipient e-mail address but not the account name? [16:17:22] Dragonfly6-7: i think yes, it requires either username or email [16:17:36] doesn't it say that above the form? or did somebody remove that part on en.wp? :/ [16:17:39] no ida [16:17:47] there's a guy on -en-help who can't remember his username [16:17:59] he gave the system his password 40 minutes ago, and .... nothing yet. [16:18:06] he wants to know, also, if maybe the mail servers are slow? [16:18:36] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:PasswordReset: "Fill one of the fields to reset your password." so yeah, just one is enough [16:19:10] Dragonfly6-7: they're usualy rather snappy. i assume you walked him through the standard stuff like checking his spam folder, checking for typos etc. [16:19:16] Base-w: see the bug 1495 saga [16:19:33] he checked his spam folder, he's not 100% sure he confirmed his e-mail in 2008 [16:19:37] MatmaRex: we just changed that message btw ;) [16:19:55] Nemo_bis: i think i commented on the patch ;) [16:20:00] hehe [16:20:33] you merged it actually https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/73036/ [16:20:39] Dragonfly6-7: well, i don't think we can do anything if he didn't put in the e-mail [16:20:42] Nemo_bis: :D [16:21:58] MatmaRex - that's what I expected, but he did ask if maybe the mail servers were lagged [16:22:03] so I figured it couldn't hurt to check [16:22:11] unless you have a cattle prod. [16:22:14] Dragonfly6-7: honestly, i have no idea, they might as well be [16:22:53] job queue is very high at least according to https://ganglia.wikimedia.org/latest/graph_all_periods.php?c=Miscellaneous%20pmtpa&h=hume.wikimedia.org&v=823574&m=Global_JobQueue_length&r=hour&z=default&jr=&js=&st=1365625056&z=large [16:23:13] job queue is very high = it'll take an hour or so? [16:23:26] I sometimes got an enotif 60 min later with such a job queue [16:23:38] however 1) I don't know if they use the queue, 2) the queue stats might be wrong [16:27:23] Nemo_bis: too much letters there ((( /me hates long texts especialy in english [16:52:48] hey [16:52:49] jusit so you know [16:53:02] the guy finally did get his password reminder after a full 60 mintues [16:54:49] ok, so the graph is right [16:55:00] and it's been so forweeks [16:55:14] Dragonfly6-7: yay, good to know [16:56:27] Dragonfly6-7: you may want to comment on https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43936 and reopen [16:58:44] Nemo_bis - you're assuming a skillset not in evidence. [16:58:59] Dragonfly6-7: then just comment? [16:59:17] No idea how. [16:59:20] last enotif from mediawiki.org for me was instant [16:59:25] liar [16:59:58] what? [19:15:45] There are Timeout errors and bad Gateway errors (502) [19:15:57] yes, known issue, apaches overloaded [19:16:07] and we know the original cause, people working on it [19:16:15] ;) [19:16:18] sorry to all for the inconvenience [19:17:20] ZOMG! [19:17:24] apergos: the cause are people working on it? :p [19:17:40] actually yes [19:17:46] Always better than monkeys... [19:17:55] LeslieCarr broke Wikipedia! [19:17:58] {{fact}} [19:18:07] J/k [19:18:24] no, it's true this time [19:18:25] actually I asked sjoerddebruin for facts :P [19:18:31] :O [19:18:38] o.O [19:18:49] fun fact, don't run ntpdate on pybal [19:19:03] this is why ntpd doesn't run on those boxes [19:19:13] anyways... [19:19:23] I am getting about every 10th or 15th page [19:19:29] wonder where the rest go [19:19:35] yes, turns out it's not just cpu usage, it's breaking everything [19:19:41] apergos: /dev/null XD [19:19:46] to NSA's facilities apergos! [19:19:59] they are smarter than that: they make *copies* [19:20:14] that's the great thing about digital information, copies are free [19:20:39] Yeah, until you have to print it out :P [19:20:49] actually in Italy there's a sort of tax for hdd, cd, dvds... [19:20:58] Also in the Netherlands. [19:21:04] a piracy tax right? [19:21:05] Even devices. [19:21:10] Really? I didn't know that... [19:21:12] which goes to the society of authors [19:21:16] yep apergos [19:21:32] http://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwerpen/intellectueel-eigendom/vraag-en-antwoord/wat-is-de-thuiskopieheffing.html [19:21:35] The costs. [19:22:15] lol [19:22:24] lemme check Italian ones [19:23:56] sjoerddebruin: https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equo_compenso_in_Italia#Tariffe_del_compenso <-- Wikipedia is still a good source despite of LeslieCarr [19:24:24] We are cheaper. :P [19:24:28] ours are definitely higher than yours [19:24:30] yep [19:24:36] though...err... [19:24:56] well let's say SOMETIMES people don't pay it [19:25:11] ;) [19:26:07] and let's say there are ways to be subjected to the lowest fees [19:33:13] examples from 11 countries are at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_copying_levy [19:49:26] LeslieCarr... you broke it again? [19:49:53] > Request: GET http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Privacy_policy&action=edit§ion=8, from 10.64.0.140 via cp1014.eqiad.wmnet (squid/2.7.STABLE9) to () Error: ERR_CANNOT_FORWARD, errno [No Error] at Thu, 12 Sep 2013 19:48:59 GMT [19:50:13] i smell a noisy #-operations [19:50:23] oh dear [19:50:31] enwiki too [19:50:32] T13|needsCoffee: you should join #wikimedia-operations if you want to follow along [19:50:38] Request: GET http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Aude, from 10.64.0.141 via cp1015.eqiad.wmnet (squid/2.7.STABLE9) to () [19:50:41] Error: ERR_CANNOT_FORWARD, errno [No Error] at Thu, 12 Sep 2013 19:50:18 GMT [19:51:21] Ahh. Momentary.. [19:52:38] so the internet is down, hehe [19:52:45] not really [19:53:02] Sven_Manguard: can we leave it one way for a while? [19:53:14] it actually appears up now [19:53:26] well it went down for a tad [19:53:41] MatmaRex: except we're still getting new CRITICALS [19:53:47] and not just stafford [19:53:51] it's still being worked on, sorrry [19:54:09] that works [21:30:24] 0:30:14 - Base-w: omg who changed WL design? at meta [21:30:40] WL? [21:30:46] watchlist [21:30:49] jeremyb: ^ [21:31:09] i see minor bot before page name [21:31:20] and (diff history) [21:31:23] after [21:31:39] it is weird and not comfortable [21:32:20] CleanChanges [21:32:24] I suspect [21:32:37] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53541 [22:21:46] Reedy: if you're in #wikimedia-stewards , you probably know now that the community really didn't support putting it in [22:23:13] JD|cloud: i didn't read the bug too closely but it's the community's responsibility to verify local support before asking for potentially controversial changes. shell users should check too but don't blame them if something falls through. blame the bug's reporter! [22:23:17] * jeremyb will bbl [22:23:31] jeremyb: it should've been a red flag that the /proposer/ was the one who closed it [22:24:10] /especially/ given that Nemo has been desysopped recently for involved admin actions