[01:36:32] <T13>	 Are there any ajax knowledgable people in here?  I'm new and just learning ajax and would like some help getting the # of articles from http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?format=json&action=query&meta=siteinfo&siprop=statistics into a variable or replace the innerHTML of an id with.
[01:37:05] <T13>	 There are currently <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Statistics" title="Article count" id="articleCount">4,301,781</a> articles.
[01:37:45] <T13>	 ^^^ $( 'a#articleCount' ).html() is what I would like to update with a live count.
[01:40:19] <T13>	 $.ajax({url: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?format=json&action=query&meta=siteinfo&siprop=statistics', dataType: json, success:function(result){$("#articleCount").html(result);}});
[01:40:37] <T13>	 When I try to run that, it gives me an $ is undefined error.
[01:41:48] <T13>	 [21:41:28.125] TypeError: $ is undefined @ file:///G:/PortableApps/Notepad++Portable/CIS231/englishmediawiki/index.html:12
[01:44:18] <T13>	 Everyone must be sleeping...
[01:44:45] <T13>	 Let's try another channel and see if i can find some awake people...
[03:04:55] <OsamaK>	 https://git.wikimedia.org is down.
[03:24:53] <Elsie>	 Grrr.
[04:48:05] <accd>	 How should I do when wiki is blocked by GFW
[04:49:34] <accd>	 Is anyone in?How should I do when wiki is blocked by GFW?
[04:54:34] <accd>	 What can I do when wikipedia is blocked by GFW
[04:57:17] <mutante>	 accd: could use a VPN
[08:21:50] <tos>	 Hi!
[08:21:52] <tos>	 Is there any email list or some way of notifying whenever there is a new RFA?
[08:22:19] <Philon>	 That depends on the project.
[08:22:42] <tos>	 I'm talking about enwiki
[08:23:15] <Philon>	 https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
[08:23:50] <tos>	 Doesnt this list contain all the usual chatter and talks too?
[08:24:08] <tos>	 I mean, could there be a list that solely lists the new RFAs?
[08:25:04] <Philon>	 I don't know of one which is specific for RfAs. Usually this is the one.
[08:25:07] <Nemo_bis>	 tos: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship&feed=atom&action=history
[08:25:56] <tos>	 Nemo_bis: I see nothing but jargon
[08:25:57] <Nemo_bis>	 the Signpost also has a section about RfAs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Subscribe
[08:26:07] <Nemo_bis>	 tos: no idea what you mean
[08:26:20] <tos>	 Its pages of code like stuff
[08:26:37] <closedmouth>	 it's an RSS feed
[08:26:40] <Philon>	 tos: You'll need a atom news feed reader
[08:26:49] <Nemo_bis>	 you need a proper browser like Firefox or a feed reader
[08:26:58] <tos>	 Anyways, if I could remember to open a page, then I would open WP:RFA instead
[08:27:14] <Nemo_bis>	 please check what an atom feed is
[08:27:19] <tos>	 Ok
[08:27:32] <Philon>	 Nemo_bis: Does FF have support for RSS feed?
[08:27:46] <Philon>	 built-in, I mean.
[08:28:41] <Nemo_bis>	 sure
[08:28:55] <tos>	 I read what's written about atom feeds, but I dont think I follow/know how to enable it for myself
[08:29:23] <Philon>	 tos: Open that link through FF/
[08:29:25] <Philon>	 FF.
[08:29:51] <Philon>	 Nemo_bis: Not really. The CSS stuff is gone.
[08:30:13] <Philon>	 It's in plain text.
[08:31:18] <tos>	 Philon: Is it possible for me to get a mail every time this feed changes
[08:31:34] <tos>	 Right now, the closest option I see is using igoogle, which I dont use
[08:31:43] <Nemo_bis>	 Philon: what you mean? wfm
[08:31:43] <Philon>	 You could subscribe to it.
[08:33:12] <tos>	 Philon: I did, but it would add the new entries to "igoogle" and not send me a mail. Unless I'm doing something wrong, ofc
[08:33:40] <Philon>	 I have no idea what you are talking about. :O
[08:33:59] <Philon>	 Nemo_bis: http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/5471/j5n6.jpg
[08:34:49] <Nemo_bis>	 Philon: what's wrong about it? the links work
[08:35:03] <Philon>	 Well, I like it fancy.
[08:35:51] <Nemo_bis>	 maybe the Live Bookmarks also have full HTML option, I don't know because I use thunderbird as aggregator
[08:37:57] <Philon>	 tos: You could add WP:RFA to your watchlist.
[08:38:19] <Philon>	 And check "email me when a page on my watchlist is changed"
[08:38:20] <tos>	 Philon: Will that be sufficient?
[08:38:31] <Philon>	 tos: ^
[08:38:51] <tos>	 And have me get emails for all the 150 pages? No ^_^
[08:39:05] <Nemo_bis>	 the solution is always to follow my advice
[08:39:36] <tos>	 Anyways, I didnt realise simple watchlisting would work. So I'll try that
[08:40:06] <Philon>	 tos: It woule be available through https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Preferences
[08:40:17] <tos>	 Philon: No thank you
[08:40:19] <Nemo_bis>	 remember that you have to click each link you receive or you won't receive more
[10:09:02] <Nemo_bis>	 bugzilla down? O_o
[10:09:19] <Nemo_bis>	 just didn't like my comment it seems
[15:04:05] <Nemo_bis>	 Your free account makes it easier to share what you know on {{SITENAME}}.
[15:08:27] <Nemo_bis>	 srsly? ''Note that disabling an account is not reversible without system administrator intervention.''
[15:08:37] <Nemo_bis>	 what if a staffer comes back?
[15:10:54] <rutu>	 anybody knows how long git.wikimeida.org will be unavailable?
[15:12:34] <Nemo_bis>	 no
[15:12:42] <Nemo_bis>	 minutes, hours or days
[15:13:20] <Nemo_bis>	 in worst case till Monday morning CEST, I guess
[15:14:50] <Nemo_bis>	 lol, 1.6 M pages indexed by Google https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=site%3Agit.wikimedia.org
[15:23:37] <rutu>	 who has access there?
[15:24:01] <rutu>	 is it allowed to help debugging this thing?
[16:37:57] <PiRSquared>	 hi
[16:38:28] <PiRSquared>	 Will the server admins (or whoever) listen to feedback like https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Petition_of_HTTPS_default ?
[16:38:44] <PiRSquared>	 (about this, ofc: https://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/08/01/future-https-wikimedia-projects/ )
[16:39:26] <PiRSquared>	 I know Ryan Lane said "Note that I’ve brought this topic up internally within Wikimedia Foundation and we’re discussing options for Chinese users. Please don’t feel like we’re ignoring the issue"
[16:39:40] <PiRSquared>	 Philon: asked your question before I joined?
[16:39:47] <Reedy>	 "Make unsecure login arrangement as default from any Chinese, Cantonese, Wu, Tibetan and other project."
[16:39:48] <Philon>	 No.
[16:39:59] <Reedy>	 ^ I believe this was the intention for the time being
[16:40:01] <Philon>	 Not only Chinese projects.
[16:40:05] <PiRSquared>	 hm
[16:40:31] <Philon>	 Opt-in, opt-out would be nice.
[16:40:32] <PiRSquared>	 Chinese people edit other languages too, I believe
[16:40:48] <Reedy>	 Very likely
[16:40:54] <Reedy>	 It's all a difficult issue
[16:41:06] <Reedy>	 Improving it for some users makes it worse for others
[16:41:17] <Philon>	 Always.
[16:41:26] <PiRSquared>	 could you do it based on geoip?
[16:41:55] <Reedy>	 Potentially. It would add overhead to every request though
[16:42:24] <Reedy>	 It is worth noting that defaulting to HTTPS isn't going to be happening like next week
[16:44:07] <Reedy>	 It certainly won't be a decision taken lightly!
[16:48:32] <Nemo_bis>	 ten millions?
[16:51:17] <Philon>	 Nemo_bis: lol
[16:51:18] <Philon>	 Population:1,344,130,000 (2012 census) (1st)
[16:51:28] <ori-l>	 browsers are shitty again, have you noticed?
[16:51:29] <Philon>	 Source: enwiki
[16:51:53] <ori-l>	 i find the nightlies of both chromium and firefox borderline unusable
[16:52:20] <Philon>	 ori-l: Speed?
[16:52:43] <ori-l>	 speed, bugs, interface
[16:52:49] <Philon>	 ofc
[16:52:55] <closedmouth>	 feature bloat, unnecessary re-designs
[16:53:37] <Nemo_bis>	 Philon: I was quoting
[16:53:45] <Philon>	 I know.
[16:53:50] <Nemo_bis>	 ok
[16:54:01] <Philon>	 I saw that on Meta.
[16:54:11] <Nemo_bis>	 who knows what they mean
[16:54:21] <Nemo_bis>	 the zh community is quite mysterious
[16:54:21] <ori-l>	 closedmouth: yep.
[16:54:55] <Nemo_bis>	 ori-l: hm, should I lock my versions to prevent upgrade?
[16:55:05] <Nemo_bis>	 but then siebrand hammers me at every bug I report
[16:55:09] <ori-l>	 my chromium update script lists off the git commit message headings, you'd think i was pulling the google git firehose, because they're apparently checking in everything they have into chromium
[16:57:27] <ori-l>	 ' Remove PDF-related extensions from the danger list on Android.' http://git.chromium.org/gitweb/?p=chromium.git;a=commit;h=b3b82fe76b4b732554323e1748282de011870458
[17:39:42] <rutu>	 *grin* siebrand?
[17:39:53] <rutu>	 Nemo_bis why?
[19:10:26] <Jurgen>	 Hi, is a developer available here?
[19:12:06] <Nemo_bis>	 ori-l: speaking of stupid browsers: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17029#c1
[19:12:19] <Nemo_bis>	 rutu: because we can't afford debugging old versions of browsers
[19:14:45] <Nemo_bis>	 Jurgen: just ask
[19:15:30] <Jurgen>	 I'm sysop on nlwiki and there is 1 page what can't be deleted. Got a error
[19:17:34] <Steinsplitter>	 Jurgen: witch erron?
[19:17:38] <Steinsplitter>	 *error
[19:17:40] <Jurgen>	  A database error has occurred. Did you forget to run maintenance/update.php after upgrading? See: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading#Run_the_update_script
[19:17:40] <Jurgen>	 Query: DELETE FROM `categorylinks` WHERE cl_from = '3771450'
[19:17:40] <Jurgen>	 Function: LinksDeletionUpdate::doUpdate
[19:17:40] <Jurgen>	 Error: 1205 Lock wait timeout exceeded; try restarting transaction (10.64.16.23)
[19:39:50] <Nemo_bis>	 Jurgen: how many revisions does the page have?
[19:40:08] <Nemo_bis>	 anyway, we do have a bug report for that; usually it happens on Commons
[19:40:47] <Jurgen>	 7
[19:40:53] <Jurgen>	 It is a new page, created by a vandal
[19:42:03] <Technical_13>	 Good place to get your answer. :)
[19:42:15] <Nemo_bis>	 hmpf where is that bug hiding
[19:43:03] <Jurgen>	 It is only at this page: https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/St%C3%A9phane_de_Lobkowicz
[19:43:17] <Technical_13>	 Jurgen: how did the page get created?
[19:44:15] <Steinsplitter>	 Jurgen: try to edit the page and delete.  O_O
[19:45:22] <Jurgen>	 Technical_13: I don't kow, it was created by a vandal
[19:45:36] <Jurgen>	 Steinsplitter: cleared the page, but it's still impossible to delete
[19:45:56] <Steinsplitter>	 strange.
[19:46:00] <Jurgen>	 Still the same error
[19:46:32] <Nemo_bis>	 oh, I was probably confused, what I had in mind is a different one https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39221
[19:47:02] <Steinsplitter>	 new bug: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Wikimedia   ?
[19:47:02] <Technical_13>	 Can you revdel all the revisions and then delete?
[19:47:52] <Steinsplitter>	 i think to, ther is maby a error in the db
[19:48:13] <Nemo_bis>	 Jurgen: try again?
[19:49:17] <Jurgen>	 Still the error
[19:50:04] <Steinsplitter>	 the best soluton (imho): fill a new bug
[19:50:18] <Jurgen>	 At bugzilla?
[19:50:27] <PiRSquared>	 where else?
[19:50:39] <Jurgen>	 I don't know
[19:50:39] <Jurgen>	 :P
[19:50:53] <Steinsplitter>	 Jurgen: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Wikimedia 
[19:51:05] <Jurgen>	 Okay
[19:51:07] <Jurgen>	 Will do that
[19:51:14] <Technical_13>	 !newbug
[19:51:22] <Technical_13>	 !bugreport
[19:51:25] <Technical_13>	 ...
[19:51:26] <PiRSquared>	 !bug
[19:51:26] <wm-bot>	 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=$url_encoded_*
[19:51:34] <PiRSquared>	 hem
[19:51:36] <PiRSquared>	 meh
[19:51:39] <Technical_13>	 I thought one of those was set up..
[19:52:08] <Technical_13>	 !b
[19:52:08] <wm-bot>	 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/$1
[19:52:27] <wm-bot>	 http://bots.wmflabs.org/~wm-bot/dump/%23wikimedia-tech.htm
[19:52:27] <dbbot-wm>	 Technical_13: Invalid arguments
[19:52:32] <Steinsplitter>	 ....
[19:52:33] <Nemo_bis>	 it's so much easier to take URLs from your browser than from IRC bots... never understood this
[19:52:42] <Steinsplitter>	 yepp^^
[19:53:09] <Technical_13>	 Not when you're in a mobile device.
[19:53:50] <Steinsplitter>	 whatever brrrr.... This is the url for Wikimedia related bugs: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Wikimedia 
[19:53:52] <Steinsplitter>	 O_O :)
[19:56:19] <Technical_13>	 !moo
[19:56:19] <wm-bot>	 mw-bot does not have Super Cow Powers
[19:57:00] <Technical_13>	 But it should..