[00:59:07] hello [00:59:20] I have problems with common.css [00:59:29] it works fine when I am logged in my account but it comes back to normal when i logout. [00:59:43] I am on wikipedia [00:59:49] that's normal [00:59:59] ok [01:00:37] How can I change config to make it visible from outside [01:00:48] thx [01:01:05] if its possible [01:02:48] I already did it once with span tag but it is not very nice when code need to be maintained [01:06:56] is it the right place to ask questions regarding wikipedia? [01:08:37] yes [01:08:43] Jasper_Deng: thanx [01:09:16] may be it is basic question for you, but i am a newby [01:10:15] Jasper_Deng++ [01:10:40] your personal CSS is your personal CSS, if you're not logged in, how do we know it's yours? [01:11:58] ok but is there a line that i write in the code to tell I need to use this common.css [01:12:10] in my script [01:14:12] ? [01:15:32] something like [01:16:47] ? [01:17:48] is there a tutorial where I can refer to? [02:42:53] hello [02:44:56] A whole 10 seconds [03:56:30] I feel like there's something I'm not understanding about how the serverside skins work [03:57:13] I tried moving a class from common.css to vector.css and instead of keeping the background colors, the related divs just go transparent [04:06:32] Azu: which wiki? [04:06:50] personal community sort of thing [04:07:20] ok, well i see you already asked in #mediawiki and got no response there. but really that's where this belongs [04:07:34] okay. [06:38:12] Hi, since last 2 days Wikipedia.org is not opening in any of my browser [06:38:34] you'll need to give more details [06:38:41] aagam94: which OS? [06:38:55] in Win8 [06:39:08] than i tried it on Kubuntu as well [06:39:12] elaborate... [06:39:14] same results on bot [06:39:16] can you ping Wikipedia? [06:39:31] kk,lemme checl [06:39:32] bot==both? [06:39:42] *both [06:41:32] aagam94: are you able to open any other Wikimedia sites? [06:41:41] (for example meta.wikimedia.org and wikivoyage.org) [06:42:35] europe/not europe, DNS, traceroute, tell us the damn error message already? (you haven't yet) [06:42:43] tell us the exact URL [06:42:55] jeremyb: from his IP, I can tell he's in APNIC [06:42:55] * jeremyb leaves Jasper_Deng to pull the teeth :) [06:42:55] wikivoyage is working [06:43:03] Jasper_Deng: so what [06:43:11] m from India [06:43:25] Jasper_Deng: i need to know what he's seeing not just where he is [06:43:27] Does the Indian government do any form of censorship? [06:43:37] Jasper_Deng: uhhhh, really? [06:43:39] aagam94: please also give us the exact URL you were trying [06:43:45] jeremyb: I heard something vaguely like that [06:43:50] a year or two ago [06:44:02] Jasper_Deng, http://meta.wikimedia.org/ [06:44:18] aagam94: but you said "Hi, since last 2 days Wikipedia.org is not opening in any of my browser" [06:44:30] that too isnt working [06:44:40] Jasper_Deng: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-13529512 [06:45:01] aagam94: so, what is wikipedia.org [06:45:02] ? [06:45:07] aagam94: what is "not working"? [06:45:10] aagam94: see if you can nslookup the domain names [06:45:18] see if you can ping them [06:45:25] Jasper_Deng: ping is better. nslookup ignores /etc/hosts [06:45:38] i tried to ping [06:45:44] and the result was? [06:45:48] received 0 packets [06:45:54] ok, there's your problem [06:46:09] (i assume so at least. `host` ignores /etc/hosts) [06:46:29] aagam94: can you ping 91.198.174.225 ? [06:46:50] (or 208.80.152.201) [06:47:16] 91.198.174.225 works [06:47:17] discriminating against eqiad, are you? [06:47:29] jeremyb: the second address is eqiad [06:47:37] Jasper_Deng: not pmtpa? [06:47:41] aagam94: `ping wikipedia.org` says what IP? [06:47:42] aagam94: then something's messed up with your DNS [06:47:54] jeremyb: he's unlikely to be served by that one [06:47:58] $ host 208.80.152.201 [06:47:58] 201.152.80.208.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer wikipedia-lb.pmtpa.wikimedia.org. [06:48:17] Jasper_Deng: i'm referring to the IP you provided... [06:48:20] anyway... [06:48:26] aagam94: 09 06:47:41 < jeremyb> aagam94: `ping wikipedia.org` says what IP? [06:49:02] jeremyb, 208.80.152.201 [06:49:22] aagam94: and you can ping 208.80.152.201 ? [06:49:29] ok, you are officially not european [06:49:39] Jasper_Deng, wikipedia.org pings fine [06:49:47] I mean it receives data [06:50:08] aagam94: what's your ping time? [06:50:36] Jasper_Deng, 13 packets transmitted, 12 received, 7% packet loss, time 12010ms [06:50:49] ok, it seems like your connection is just pretty slow [06:51:12] But Youtube works fine!! [06:51:37] Google and Facebook have tens of datacenters [06:51:45] so they'll surely have one very close to you [06:52:01] However, we only have four, and all of them are thousands of kilometers away from you. [06:52:40] when I try through proxy site,it works fine [06:52:46] :S [06:53:11] does your ISP use an (invisible) caching web proxy? [06:53:49] I dont know exactly [06:54:22] Try clearing your browser cache [06:54:53] but this works -http://win8wale.appspot.com/wikipedia.org [06:55:40] sounds like your ISP's proxy might be having issues [06:55:57] I am connected through router [06:55:58] this could mean your modem or your ISP's server [06:56:23] When i connect mobile through modem,wiki works fine there [06:56:51] but not through your router? [06:57:12] Its Wifi modem+router [06:57:17] (I will also note that if your desktop is on wireless, try switching to wired) [06:57:43] (I've been in a situation where the majority of the network lag comes from wireless being overloaded, while wired works fine) [06:58:35] But why mobile works fine? [06:59:08] sounds like the bottom line is an issue w/ your router [06:59:36] what? [07:00:01] you should try HTTPS too... [07:00:04] ^ [07:01:40] nah, that i tried before contacting you people [07:01:58] did you try rebooting your computer and router? [07:03:35] jeremyb: do you think it's a possible symptom of carrier-grade NAT? [07:03:47] this is only a /20 [07:04:20] Jasper_Deng: he can just check if he's NAT'd or not first... [07:04:40] aagam94: also, ^ [07:05:13] and tcpdump [07:05:53] and i don't understand 09 06:45:48 < aagam94> received 0 packets [07:06:15] jeremyb: which could be indicative of extremely high load on the ISP's network [07:06:17] before we guess if it's a symptom of NAT we need a list of symptoms [07:06:26] to the point where their border routers couldn't get everything through [07:06:35] I think he's rebooting his router [07:06:36] bye! [07:08:24] Jasper_Deng, that worked :S [07:08:31] jeremyb: ^ [07:08:49] thanks alot Jasper_Deng jeremyb [07:09:04] aagam94: in the future, it would also be helpful if you could tell us whether you're under carrier-grade NAT or not [07:09:17] :O Whats that? [07:09:33] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier-grade_NAT [07:09:44] i thought you booted before you came to us? [07:09:56] jeremyb: not his router [07:10:02] I booted my pc [07:10:04] not router [07:11:28] aagam94: yeah, much of the problem could be due to a faulty implementation of carrier-grade NAT [07:12:14] no comment [07:12:28] also, who knows if you got a new IP after that boot [07:55:48] Hi [07:56:20] any hints how to force image thumbnaila regeneration? [07:56:42] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/08/Skaut_Nr_2_%281911%29.djvu/page13-550px-Skaut_Nr_2_%281911%29.djvu.jpg [07:56:48] taks som time [07:57:05] ^^^^^^^^^ this one is outdated and copyvio [07:57:22] newer file version on commons [07:57:33] any way to purge them immediatele? [07:58:00] i think no [07:58:17] Steinsplitter: how mach time at maximum? [07:58:38] som minutes [07:59:26] ?action=purge [07:59:57] mutante: tried on commons [08:00:09] mutante: no effect [08:00:29] Steinsplitter: 17 minutes left, still old pictures [08:00:35] O_O [08:01:20] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Skaut_Nr_2_(1911).djvu#File history [08:01:24] maby it is a old version? [08:01:46] Steinsplitter: yes, I need to remove all old versions from cache [08:02:12] O_O [08:11:04] ankry: what's hte main page for it ? [08:11:55] ankry: is the full page one copyvio and the quarter page one the correct one? [08:12:05] LeslieCarr: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Skaut_Nr_2_%281911%29.djvu [08:12:31] LeslieCarr: one article in this paper is copyvio [08:12:48] LeslieCarr: exactly, 2 articles as I found [08:13:18] LeslieCarr: probably non-copyvio in US as it is a 1911 edition [08:13:23] hrm, i think with the whole multiple pages thing that is messing with ?action=purge [08:14:18] LeslieCarr: tried sometime ?action=purge on e specific page: sometimes helps, this time does not [08:14:25] i don't see more than 1 version in File History anymore [08:14:32] as opposed to earlier [08:14:44] i hav deleted the last two versions / copyright violations [08:15:27] (requested by ankry) [08:16:12] ankry: i suggest to wait som hour. maybi it is the tubnail generator or the cache [08:16:44] OK, thanks for your time [08:27:13] Reedy: ping. I think our data might be a little off [08:27:19] Really? :/ [08:27:31] in some cases, lu_attached_method = 'new' [08:28:02] which is the wiki where you created the account from [08:28:40] mysql> select count(*) from wikidatawiki_p.user as user join centralauth_p.localuser as localuser on user.user_name=localuser.lu_name where localuser.lu_wiki="wikidatawiki" and localuser.lu_attached_method="new" and user_editcount >= 1; [08:28:45] gave me 872 [08:30:40] Reedy: can you re-run it with lu_attached_method = "primary" OR lu_attached_method="new"? [08:31:13] "lu_attached_method" => array( 'new', 'primary' ) [08:34:55] yeah [08:36:11] legoktm: http://p.defau.lt/?oMwYieu7Xuj2_3uWxhoqKg [08:36:37] hm, interesting [08:36:42] eswiki totally jumped up [08:37:49] Reedy: can you pastebin the script too? [08:38:12] perl -0777 -lape's/\s+/\n/g' wikidatahomewikis.txt | sort | uniq -c | sort -nr [08:38:18] no, the php one [08:38:46] http://p.defau.lt/?27_eRTNlmm22p9vrleAvyQ [08:38:48] I know [08:39:06] ty :) [08:41:44] Elsie: ah, now I understand why they made a list on wmflabs of the en.wiki pages with AFTv5: they've added some mysterious toolbox clutter to "enable feedback" [08:42:01] so the category can no longer be used to get a list of pages [08:54:21] ArticleFeedbackv5EnableProtection [09:54:28] hello [12:37:11] Nemo_bis: AFTv5 is an STD. [12:38:38] Elsie: uh, that was a smart design decision, STD never die [12:40:05] Nemo_bis: Nobody really wants an STD, though. [12:40:16] The never dying aspect is a bug, not a feature. [12:40:32] Elsie: well, except the creator [12:41:23] I think describing it in these terms is extreme and ultimately counterproductive [12:41:41] Anyway, I would bother less about its intentional spreading for scientific purposes if only I was provided with precaution measures [12:42:31] ori-l: this channel may not be the most appropriate for jokes between me and Elsie but they're just jokes [12:42:54] There's admittedly quite an inthrinsic resistance by AFT to abandon the ship [12:43:45] * Elsie shrugs at ori-l. [12:44:00] A poor decision is only made worse by the insistence to continue forward with it. [12:44:02] well, I came here after reading about its lazarus act too and I suspect I had the same reaction as you [12:44:31] mutante: i managed to solve the problem with etherpad-lit [12:44:35] etherpad-lite [12:44:39] I think experimentation is great. [12:44:50] But when the experiment wholly fails, perhaps death is the sanest option. [12:45:02] but I think there are no shortcuts: someone needs to explain that part of the cost of keeping software and features deployed is constant and not dependent on the breadth of exposure [12:45:15] explain it multiple times probably in multiple contexts [12:45:20] I doubt it's a lack of knowledge that's at issue here. [12:45:39] This is politics. Facts aren't relevant. :-) [12:45:57] Someone is hell-bent on seeing AFTv5 revived and re-revived and ... [12:46:12] Otherwise, it would've already died, y'know, like five or six times. [12:46:14] I honestly don't think so. [12:46:48] "Let's add a comments feature to every article on Wikipedia." [12:46:55] FlaggedRevs is still alive. [12:47:01] (on enwp) [12:47:11] Everything is shot through with politics and dynamics of power, sure, but I think that the main issue _at the moment_ is just lack of appreciation of the cost of maintaining features. [12:47:15] Then, somehow literally five iterations later, after the initial bad idea, it still lives. [12:47:39] Someone (I don't know who) views it not as a maintenance burden, but as an imperative. [12:47:45] USER ENGAGEMENT. [12:47:52] Wikipedia is dying, &c. [12:48:00] YouTube-like comments will fix it. [12:48:07] Perhaps we can integrate Facebook! [12:48:11] legoktm: yes, it's amusing [12:48:28] I think en.wiki really has to get rid of the corpses of some of its experiments [12:48:33] legoktm: No, no. :-) Pending Changes®™ is still live. ;-) [12:49:04] (including the page creation restriction IMHO) [12:49:13] ((Never gonna happen.)) [12:49:16] I think everybody knows that, Nemo_bis, but I think it needs an eloquent and spirited kick to get going. [12:49:34] Heh, I read that as "I don't think" a few times. [12:49:57] Griping on IRC is surely spirited. Rarely eloquent, though. [12:50:32] well, you know me; irc is sized just right for my attention span [12:50:43] heh, we still have UsabilityInitiative :) [12:51:18] ori-l: sort of related, Sj added some thoughts on experimentation at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Limits_to_configuration_changes [12:51:47] Yeah, I saw that. Still haven't read it. [12:51:53] it's hard to tell people "we'll have a trial with X" when FlaggedRevs is still enabled [12:51:58] it's not that long [12:52:10] twss [12:54:01] that looks useful [12:55:11] I think the Wikimedia Foundation show hire me to make pages on Meta-Wiki. [12:55:19] should. [12:55:26] Yes! [12:56:41] Sj is wonderful, as unlike the rest of us, he's smart and not cynical. [12:57:26] Or if he's cynical he must be really good at hiding it [12:57:41] Right. :-) [12:59:20] Dunno if it's something the board should address in some way. [12:59:40] (I doubt anybody at this point in history understands what the WMF is for.) [17:34:33] Reedy: can you add editbugs to pi²? https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=50751#c4 [19:05:08] Elsie: any idea of the reason for an acceleration of feedback volumes on June 9? https://toolserver.org/~dartar/en/aft5/ [19:05:58] unique articles seem stable so it might be some outliers [19:29:25] ah, probably the main page [21:59:05] who approves if given extension can or can not be installed on wmf wiki? (or: is there any list of extensions which 100% won't be installed or 100% could be installed so one can have an idea?) [22:06:58] the operations team, basically [22:07:08] you could look through accepted and rejected requests on bugzilla [22:07:37] or actualy operations and platform, i think, but i'm fuzzy on thedetails. [22:08:23] it would be great to have such list(s) [22:08:34] because people continuously keep asking [22:09:08] about various extensions, where significat amount of them has been already discussed/decided before [22:09:26] Danny_B: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=225018&query_format=advanced&component=Extension%20setup&product=Wikimedia [22:09:59] i know, thanks. but it's not as comfy as the list... [22:10:05] seems i'm gonna start some [22:10:21] that's the best i can do. :) [22:23:35] Danny_B: Start a list on Meta-Wiki. :-) [22:23:46] If you have specific questions, I can probably answer them. [22:23:56] Though some of the rules were bent a bit for Wikivoyage. [22:24:06] And can be bent for certain wikis (private, fishbowl, etc.). [22:24:13] of course [22:24:17] Plus, things change... so once unacceptable extensions can become acceptable. [22:29:08] Danny_B, MatmaRex: I imagine "Site requests" would have more. [22:29:17] totally [22:29:23] I know StringFunctions is a wontfix. [22:29:31] I'm not sure of too many other wontfixen off-hand. [22:29:32] obviously [22:29:38] now when having lua [22:32:47] > You can reply to a topic by clicking the "" link beside that section, or start a new discussion. [22:32:56] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Forum [22:32:58] That doesn't seem right... [22:51:03] Elsie: just create such message ;-) [22:52:04] {{int:editsection-brackets|{{int:editsection}}} [22:52:06] Odd. [22:53:17] https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikimedia_Forum&diff=5713169&oldid=5713148&diffonly=1 [23:00:50] gn8 folks