[00:04:28] ok then [01:14:36] odder, ping [01:15:30] when are you going to post 28th tech news? [01:15:34] ... [01:15:42] 07 22:31:14 < odder> Tech News #28 is out if anyone cares: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/28 [01:16:01] (UTC) [01:16:37] i havent translate it yet and not sure when i will have a possibility to do that. Perhaps at the afternoon at utc [01:17:04] ah nice 22utc its 1 localy. I was out of pc already( [01:17:20] 1 locally? [01:17:23] where are you? [01:17:34] also, odder should now be +0200 (UTC+2). so it's past 3am now [01:18:09] In EEST [01:19:03] a bit wester than odder - in Ukraine [01:20:15] Base-w: I sent out an e–mail around 22:00 UTC [01:20:49] i don't follow. EEST is east of odder [01:20:52] When are you going to deliver it? [01:20:54] odder is CEST [01:21:12] (I think?) [01:21:13] Ah yeah easter [01:21:18] Base|Zzzz: today at around 19-20:00 UTC [01:21:32] jeremyb: CEST indeed [01:21:50] Then ok i will have some time to translate during the day [01:22:02] Base|Zzzz: I'm sorry, I had to do the whole issue all by myself [01:22:10] good night) [01:22:13] ok [01:22:18] I was supposed to do that yesterday, but didn't have the motivation :-/ [01:22:39] $ zdump -v Europe/Warsaw | fgrep '2013 CEST ' [01:22:39] Europe/Warsaw Sun Mar 31 01:00:00 2013 UTC = Sun Mar 31 03:00:00 2013 CEST isdst=1 gmtoff=7200 [01:22:41] Yeah thats a problem when you one to do something [01:22:42] Europe/Warsaw Sun Oct 27 00:59:59 2013 UTC = Sun Oct 27 02:59:59 2013 CEST isdst=1 gmtoff=7200 [01:23:04] * odder is in the Europe/Poznan timezone [01:23:48] huh [01:23:52] omg poland have one time - what matter to split it into several timezones? [01:24:15] odder: i don't think that exists [01:24:36] ahah [01:24:48] jeremyb: again, Warsaw has stolen something from us [01:25:43] actually I think I'm closer to Berlin [01:26:06] What stolen? [01:26:09] :O [01:26:52] Base|Zzzz: just joking, we don't like Warsaw too much round here [01:27:15] why? [01:27:27] odder: it's not about close. it's about what TZ you're in [01:29:40] Base|Zzzz: because it's the capital, I expect, stealing all the glory [01:34:07] odder: Berlin and Warsaw have been the same since 1988 and will be until someone makes a change [01:36:26] > Time in Germany, which is represented by Europe/Berlin, is not correct for the year 1945 when the Trizone used different daylight saving time rules than Berlin.[citation needed] [01:37:43] the sun's rising, how charming. [01:39:02] diff -u --label Europe/Warsaw <(zdump -v Europe/Warsaw | cut -d' ' -f 2-) --label Europe/Berlin <(zdump -v Europe/Berlin | cut -d' ' -f 2-) [01:39:09] i don't believe it [01:39:15] the sun can't be rising yet [01:39:37] yeah, you've got another hour yet [01:41:17] what I meant is that it's getting lighter and lighter by the minute [01:42:30] that seems more plausible [02:47:04] Reedy : are you there? [02:47:38] I could also use the help of a server admin [03:05:12] gah, he left [03:05:20] why can't people just say what they need? [03:06:00] * Technical_13 seconds that. [09:21:28] andre__: I notice I have a broken Vector actions menu on mediawiki.org with Safari 6. If we are deploying today, then that might be a problem... [09:22:41] thedj[work], is there a bug report? :P [09:22:48] but thanks for the heads-up. [09:22:52] screenshot would also be welcome [09:23:35] i'm at work, but i'll whip one up real quick [09:26:23] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=50927 [09:27:32] thedj: that's not the actions menu, i think [09:27:33] click it [09:28:20] it's a second search input [09:28:29] as a gadget [09:28:29] wikidata has a similar one [09:28:41] [09:29:29] … this might mean this isn't a great idea design-wise :P [09:29:31] Nemo_bis: ^ [09:29:40] my point yes :D [09:29:56] i balme Nemo [09:30:14] now we have to find him [09:30:26] Nobody can't be found, of course [09:30:46] so what's the actual problem? [09:31:22] on Wikidata I don't remember anyone complaining (it saved them from the ever-broken search for a long time now) [09:31:42] I'll check, thanks for the ticket [09:31:44] * thedj[work] suggests different icon [09:32:38] * Nemo_bis suggests monobook :D [11:30:44] odder, Latest '''[[$technews|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please inform other users about these changes. ''[[$more-transl|Translations]] are available. [11:30:49] close italic [11:32:12] thanks Base-w [11:36:28] well i'll finish it later [12:21:41] "Pool queue is full" occurring when searching [12:27:28] thedj[work]: Sample URL? [12:34:59] Elsie: none, was reported on en.wp:VP/T [14:17:25] andre__: ping? [14:20:01] sumanah, pong [16:15:40] apergos, parent5446: hello [16:15:53] Hey [16:16:04] hello [16:16:14] how are things going? [16:17:58] i did some work over the weekend, so now i can save and delete objects from the dump, so soon i can finally start saving something interesting (pages and revisions) [16:19:30] Sounds good. Making good pace. [16:19:53] but i found Randall's proposal from email (no indexes, revisions and pages are always sorted, but the whole dump is copied each time) interesting, so now i'm writing a simple benchmark to see if it can work, and how much better it would be [16:20:23] mm hmm [16:22:09] so there I forget, we keep the revisions sorted by page or no? [16:23:51] Something about the "copy the whole dump each time" idea sounds weary to me, but I guess the benchmarks will show. [16:23:52] yeah, in Randall's proposal, they would be sorted by page and then by time, so that you can use delta compression between revisions of the same page [16:24:08] right [16:24:19] so if a bot goes through and updates a template on a pile of pages [16:24:33] then you're going to be uncompressing a pile of blocks to update all those pages [16:25:16] yeah, that's the problematic part; according to Randall, a simple copy would be fast enough, but this would not be quite that [16:25:16] (I've seen this on wiktionary projects rather a lot. actually happened on my home wikt just recently) [16:25:20] no [16:25:40] if one sorted by revision order then that's possibly better [16:25:49] but then you lose the connection to the page id and have to index [16:27:03] if we use delta compression, then we don't have to decompress anything; if we use the simpler "a bunch of revisions compressed together", then yeah [16:27:08] copying the file as compressed bits doesn't worry me too much parent5446 [16:27:16] it's the uncompression and recompression parts that kill us [16:27:26] Mhm [16:28:00] so the next q is how much bigger the files will be if we use delta compression [16:28:10] because they are already pretty big [16:28:20] well I will be interested to see what you find [16:29:14] although en wp is running now on a... oh. hmm [16:29:19] yeah it's running in eqiad [16:29:32] anyways I have a host with 32 cpus and a bunch of memory sitting idle so [16:29:47] if you need rel crunching done for benchmark purposes we can do that (I'd have to run it but that's ok) [16:30:00] on one piece of the history dumps say [16:31:03] i have no idea about how bigger they will be with delta compression, i guess the fact that Randall's way closes some options counts againts it [16:31:37] but wouldn't compressing revisions by time also make the dumps significantly bigger? [16:32:20] depends how many of em are in a block I guess [16:32:49] there deletion is what'll getcha [16:33:16] but again you bank on more recent things being more likely to deleted, with older stuff most likely just sitting around [16:33:30] sure hard to know what's really true without trying it on real world data though [16:34:45] I tried to craft a makefile for your stuff on, saturday I guess it was, found a tool that would sort of hack together something form a windows visual studio to a gnu linux makefile [16:34:55] but it failed to build :-( [16:35:10] so I shall not be contributing that back :-P [16:35:53] Don't bother with VS. It'll be easier to try and support cross platform gcc or clang. That way we can also do cross builds [16:36:23] it would be, but the point is that's what we have now [16:36:26] yeah, i found a similar tool, but i didn't try it yet; and it looks like cmake could be the way to go [16:36:31] cmake is fine [16:36:42] I'm looking at the timetable here [16:36:48] Mhm [16:37:23] doing the benchmarks of other approaches is a good idea but you will want to put a time limit on that [16:39:38] yeah, i want to make a very simple benchmark using synthetic data (not real data from some wiki) and work on it for about a day at most [16:39:39] so the timetable doesn't slip too much [16:39:46] yeah [16:40:09] (this is the downside of starting a month later) [16:40:33] ok, well let me know how I can help, if at all [16:41:13] ok, i will let you know if i need help [16:41:50] any other comments/questions etc for us? [16:42:15] nothing right now [16:42:28] parent5446: got anything you wanna bring up? [16:42:51] Nope [16:43:26] ok, well I'll be very interested to hear about the benchmarks, talk to you tomorrow then! [16:43:33] ok, see you [16:43:44] See you tomorrow [17:50:37] Base-w: I'll be publishing Tech News #28 in about an hour and a half [17:55:38] odder: ok that would be nice. i'm translating now [17:56:21] Base-w: oh, then let me know when you finish, I'm only waiting for you actually [17:59:56] i've finished translation, i'll profread it a bit now [18:05:22] odder: done. [18:06:06] thank you fr waiting [18:08:58] thank you for translating it so fast [18:31:35] odder: The tvar thing isn't working [18:31:38] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Legoktm&diff=cur&old=563246113#Tech_news:_2013-28 [18:32:10] I'll let a friendly English Wikipedia administrator revert all the bot's edits [18:32:22] happened before, might happen again, right. [18:32:42] >.> [18:32:47] its not terribly broken this time [18:32:52]
element instead of <-- needed 's [18:32:58] why? [18:33:05] look at how it looks on my talk page [18:33:08] the tags are invisible [18:33:26] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tech/News/2013/28 [18:33:31] look how it looks on my page [18:35:40] hmmm [18:35:57] maybe enwiki has some weird css or js? [18:36:51] nope, it's on all wikis. [18:37:24] weird [18:37:24] anyways, thanks :D [18:37:37] I'm so fucking done with now, grr [18:37:48] why the fuck does this shit have to break every week [18:41:53] I'm wondering what broke this time, since the previous issue also included blabla and it looked all right [18:42:45] same with [18:42:53] could #switch influence this? [18:50:37] lazyktm: I'd like to make sure this never happens again [18:50:42] how do you think, is this a bug? [18:52:08] aude: Did you say we can just move wikidatawiki? [18:57:49] odder: Yeah, it might be #switch [18:57:56] Wait, but the switch is substed... [18:58:23] well, at least I know what went wrong with , it didn't get replaced by the Lua module [18:58:47] should've checked it better after running the module, the English text shouldn't have included at all [19:00:04] Reedy: yes [19:04:07] @notify Ironholds [19:04:07] This user is now online in #mediawiki-visualeditor. I'll let you know when they show some activity (talk, etc.) [19:07:20] oh awesome [19:07:27] @notify icinga-wm_ [19:07:27] This user is now online in #wikimedia-operations. I'll let you know when they show some activity (talk, etc.) [19:07:39] @notify LeslieCarr [19:07:39] This user is now online in #wikimedia-tech. I'll let you know when they show some activity (talk, etc.) [19:07:42] yay [19:07:44] that's awesome [19:07:59] yeah, works very well considering how absolutely un-noisy icinga is :P [19:08:34] hehe [19:08:40] our own mini nsa bot... [19:13:47] warning: user has shown subversive activity [19:20:55] now that would be a fine userbox [19:25:20] MediaWiki wiki glitch... [19:25:23] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering [19:25:32] <prefs-math> [19:26:27] !bznew [19:33:42] Where would that bug go? [19:34:20] Wikimedia > general/unknown? [19:34:30] or site requests? [19:36:41] um [19:36:49] that would be the Math Extension [19:36:58] it means some mediawiki messages are missing [19:37:14] Math extension itself for prefrences page glitch on only mediawiki wiki? [19:37:22] huh? [19:37:41] https://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering [19:37:52] which means its a missing message in wmf9 [19:37:55] thedj[work]: ^ [19:38:05] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering is fine? [19:38:30] Technical_13: because its running a different version, wmf8 [19:38:35] I see. [19:38:46] So, where do I put the ticket? [19:38:54] Extensions --> Math [19:39:00] Okay. [19:39:05] ehm. that's weird [19:39:28] version unspecified? [19:39:32] perhaps the translations got broken or something ? I don't remember we renamed those at least. [19:39:37] or master? [19:39:49] Technical_13: just leave that blank, someone will triage it [19:39:53] :) [19:40:11] thedj: normally messages use -'s, not _'s [19:40:19] which is weird [19:42:11] lazyktm: yeah, historically, different in Math extension [19:42:19] o.O [19:43:56] [15:43] <+wm-bot> bugzilla [bugzilla] --- MediaWiki extensions:[Bug 50971] wmf9 breaks Math extension Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering section (normal Unprioritized assignee: Nobody created by: Technical 13) - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=50971 [19:46:27] Apparently the "disable VE" gadget isn't available on MediaWiki wiki? [19:46:45] guess not. do you want it imported ? [19:47:02] Yes please. [19:47:23] i see nothing that would explain Math messages breaking... weird. [19:47:52] oh, i'm not an admin there. Thought I was. [19:47:53] I CCed lazyktm but don't know what to search to add you to the CC for the ticket thedj [19:48:34] Technical_13: He's already cc'd. Give me a minute to import it [19:48:49] Thank you lazyktm [19:49:50] Import failed: Can't save non-default content model with $wgContentHandlerUseDB disabled: model is wikitext , default for MediaWiki:Gadget-oldeditor.js is javascript [19:49:54] @seen Nikerabbit [19:49:54] odder: Last time I saw Nikerabbit they were talking in the channel, they are still in the channel #wikimedia-dev at 7/8/2013 3:33:38 PM (04:16:15.8608220 ago) [19:49:56] Technical_13: messages do work in dutch languag [19:49:57] but it still worked! [19:50:45] thedj: Huh? dutch? [19:51:05] Technical_13: ?uselang=nl on the prefs and I have the messages. [19:51:16] @seen petan [19:51:16] odder: Last time I saw petan they were talking in the channel, they are still in the channel #wikimedia-labs at 7/8/2013 11:51:37 AM (07:59:38.6062800 ago) [19:52:50] Technical_13: imported [19:53:26] http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Preferences&success=1 [19:53:53] Technical_13: Invalid arguments [19:53:54] http://bots.wmflabs.org/~wm-bot/dump/%23wikimedia-tech.htm [19:54:16] 16. Technical_13 6.615385 172 6/13/2013 7:49:57 PM 17. AzaToth 4.04878 166 5/29/2013 1:10:52 AM [19:54:28] I talk more than AzaToth! :o [19:58:34] lazyktm: https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tech/News/2013/28&diff=5637825&oldid=5637218 [19:58:48] this appears to have broken https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tech/News/2013/28/en&diff=prev&oldid=5637830 [19:59:04] ohhhh [19:59:05] but why, why... I only closed unclosed italic (double apostrophe ''blabla'') [19:59:08] that's really weird. [20:00:07] * odder feels tempted to fill a bug "FuzzyBot stinks" [20:03:46] * T13|college would confirm it for odder... [20:11:08] !b 46925 | lazyktm [20:11:08] lazyktm: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/46925 [20:11:50] thanks. i cc'd [21:40:46] what determines a bug's "Priority" rating? [21:42:53] Bug 9436 is prioritized as "Lowest", which seems a bit odd to me [21:44:00] !b 9436 [21:44:01] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/9436 [21:45:04] YairRand: siebrand set it to "Lowest" at 2011-11-30 17:42:12 UTC [21:45:34] hm [21:55:40] StevenW: I noticed your first RfA on commons didn't go through. I'm interested I'm requesting admin tools to help cleanup copyvios and such, do you have any pointers for me? [21:57:04] T13|playingDad: I'm probably not the best source of advice. [21:57:27] My first one really only didn't go through because it was one vote shy of the minimum votes. [21:58:12] Okay, figured I would ask you since you've been on the fail and pass side. [21:58:44] After that happened, what I decided to do was go participate at COM:FPC. [21:59:02] Was curious what you did different the second tine or was it just the luck of the draw on who voted? [21:59:29] Com:fpc I'll check that out. :) [21:59:43] It's Featured Picture Candidates [22:00:31] I also got some of my own uploads to pass there [22:00:59] I already have started reviewing en:WP:FFU which is part of what has increased my interest in commons tools and cleanup there.