[10:24:25] morning, I see a case of possible database corruption on nl-wiki, any sysadmin around? [10:36:48] akoopal: just write the query you want and maybe someone will run it [10:37:21] Nemo_bis: it is not a query [10:37:24] look at https://nl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Noorderbad_%28Utrecht%29&action=history [10:37:34] and try to see one of the revisions [10:37:59] PHP fatal error in /usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.22wmf8/includes/parser/Preprocessor_DOM.php line 955: [10:38:02] Argument 1 passed to DOMXPath::__construct() must be an instance of DOMDocument, null given, called in /usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.22wmf8/extensions/Scribunto/engines/LuaCommon/LuaCommon.php on line 500 and defined [10:40:16] when you see a fatal, just file a bug [10:41:21] Hi all, how do you decrease vertical padding between cells in a table? [10:41:24] i'll file the bug [10:41:38] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=50863 [10:41:51] akoopal: multichill already filed it [10:41:57] ah it's already in [10:42:06] ahhh [10:42:56] then I will link this one on the talk page where it was reported [13:12:40] <{{SoFixIt}}> So, who wants to complain about something not working? [13:13:02] <{{SoFixIt}}> XD [14:27:59] I can [14:28:18] Collections isnt rendering images in infoboxes correectly [16:44:52] So somewhat intermittently, I get 502 Bad Gateway using HTTPS on en.wikipedia.org. [16:44:57] While logged in. [16:45:04] nginx/1.1.1.9 or something. [16:45:08] A refresh solves the issue. [16:50:08] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=50891 [17:26:02] MatmaRex: [17:29:02] how long will it take to solve this? https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=50863 [17:29:09] a lot of page aren't reachable [17:31:50] anyone willing to help me pull off this week's issue of Tech News? [17:34:44] Romaine: probably a few hours, until Tim reviews https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/72358/ [17:34:54] ok [17:41:31] oh, someone fixed a three-digit bug! [17:42:37] odder [17:42:46] Which three-digit bug? [17:43:16] !b 658 [17:43:16] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/658 [17:43:34] Oh, right. [17:43:35] Nice. [17:43:57] * MatmaRex bows [17:43:59] MatmaRex: you also fixed https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=36478 which was of high importance [17:44:27] * MatmaRex bows again [17:45:39] MatmaRex: not the point; was it really that important? [17:45:58] I'm going through bugs fixed since 2013-06-30 to include in this week's issue of Tech News [17:46:14] odder: not really [17:46:16] but this doesn't seem like an information important to regular people [17:46:19] no idea why it's High [17:46:41] that was in an interface only visible to abusefilter administrators, i think [17:46:52] or really only used by them, anyway [17:47:10] the regular diffs were being rendered correctly before [17:47:42] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_activity.cgi?id=36478 [17:48:15] also Krenair [17:49:50] odder: Elsie: i just bumped it to Low. [17:50:00] gj [17:50:33] nobody cares about the priorities anyway [17:50:54] well, it certainly makes /me/ click the bugs when I review stuff for Tech News once a week :-) [17:51:04] scary bold red text [17:51:22] or just scary red text in case of high importance bugs, I suppose [17:59:19] @seen brion [17:59:19] odder: Last time I saw brion they were quitting the network with reason: Quit: brion N/A at 7/5/2013 11:45:02 PM (1.18:14:16.3526550 ago) [17:59:30] @seen petan [17:59:30] odder: Last time I saw petan they were talking in the channel, they are still in the channel #wikimedia-labs at 7/7/2013 11:34:15 AM (06:25:15.2367690 ago) [18:01:59] http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/design/2013-July/000715.html [18:02:18] reminds me of an ancient post by Tim requesting the source file for the Wikipedia logo [18:02:55] since the SVG code is terrible and makes me puke every time I have to create a localized logo [18:06:25] odder: why brion? [18:06:30] (just curious) [18:07:47] YuviPanda: oh, just wanted to pronounce my undying love to him for being so supportive of SVG files everywhere [18:07:56] oh [18:08:10] :) [18:08:15] PNGs are really fucked up and hard to work with, I experienced [18:36:52] http://m.org./wiki/Home hm. [18:39:30] odder: I remember a technical explanation for the . [18:39:37] and how that is actually valid based on the DNS spec [18:40:13] YuviPanda: I'm more concerned about the output, which is 'pageok' for me. [18:41:39] odder: some people don't know about the dot being valid ;) [18:42:07] there used to be a URL shortener at http://to./, but they killed it. :( [19:01:26] https://en.wikipedia.org./wiki/Hello [19:01:34] My browser considers that a different domain... [19:01:38] Weird. [19:02:21] it is a different domain [19:02:27] it just happens to point to the same place [19:02:45] but teh servers are able to distinguish ir and serve different content [19:02:52] or rather, could be able [19:14:41] "Patch 3" [19:14:53] this is helpful subject for a Gerrit patch... [19:15:22] MatmaRex: that's actually a bug in Apache. The fully qualified domain always has a trailing dot. 'en.wikipedia.org' is not fully-qualified. [19:15:47] see https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1034.txt [19:16:00] odder, YuviPanda: the dot is that separates a FQDN and a RQDN; All urls on the internet end with a dot [19:16:22] "Since a complete domain name ends with the root label, this leads to a printed form which ends in a dot" [19:16:24] AzaToth they do? [19:16:46] ToAruShiroiNeko: yes [19:16:47] all domain names [19:16:51] everything [19:17:00] en.wikipedia.org. is the correct address [19:17:31] http://edition.cnn.com./ [19:17:32] hmm [19:17:47] but normally you can omitt the dot if it's on the man root [19:17:49] http://edition.cnn.com.............../ redirects [19:17:51] lame [19:18:10] ToAruShiroiNeko: it's edition.cnn.com. [19:18:16] but the global root is "" [19:18:21] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3rhQc666Sg [19:18:32] "The more you know" [19:18:34] AzaToth: no, not all URLs [19:19:00] so what about http://. [19:19:23] ori-l: sorry, meant hostnames [19:19:27] right [19:19:40] ToAruShiroiNeko: that's trying to get .:80 [19:19:48] some of the root servers [19:19:58] which I doesn't think have a http server on them [19:20:10] aw [19:20:26] can I ping it tho [19:20:27] and web browser are too "smart" [19:20:28] lemme try [19:20:44] unkown host [19:20:48] Ping request could not find host .. Please check the name and try again. [19:21:23] * ToAruShiroiNeko dials 1-800-. [19:23:01] ToAruShiroiNeko, odder, YuviPanda: http://en.wikipedia.org./wiki/Fully_qualified_domain_name [19:23:36] ori-l: can you explain why I'm not logged in anymore if I visit en.wikipedia.org. instead of /en.wikipedia.org? [19:23:39] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fully_qualified_domain_name [19:23:56] or missterous Elsie [19:24:05] "We also appreciate that the launch of this beta has been disruptive." [19:24:20] AzaToth: because cookies are teh suck [19:24:36] odder: I don't know if they appreciate or appreciate [19:24:39] I'm not a native English speaker, but I certainly wouldn't have chosen the word 'appreciate' [19:24:51] Verb [19:24:52] Recognize the full worth of. [19:24:52] Be grateful for (something). [19:25:05] I don't appreciate when things get disrupted, for instance. [19:25:06] pretty ambigious [19:26:19] odder: linky? [19:26:58] he's in #wikipedia-de, I think [19:27:27] odder: the positive meanings of 'appreciate' are more recent. the word is originally quite neutral. [19:29:14] http://i.imgur.com/lU912hG.png [19:29:23] it's really awful that the OED is not freely accessible [19:30:06] AzaToth that was an interesting input [19:30:35] ToAruShiroiNeko: which one? [19:30:44] I make many intesting inputs [19:30:46] ツ [19:34:10] AzaToth the pointy one [19:34:17] you did violate WP:POINT probably [19:34:23] fortunately this is just IRC [19:34:36] :p [19:36:28] AzaToth so I should ask for your help? [19:36:33] :p [19:36:59] ToAruShiroiNeko: regarding what? [19:37:51] I dont know that yet [19:38:01] I am struggling with the same article [19:38:01] my mind reading abilities are only at 2% [19:38:11] fqdn? [19:38:23] nah about the protests [19:38:34] the douchebag that attacked protestors with a sword was released [19:38:56] so evidently it is fine for individuals to slash other people [19:39:07] don't know what article you are refering to [19:39:32] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_protests_in_Turkey [19:40:18] "appreciate" does work there [19:40:30] with a slightly different meaning than the usual (doing thge backread) [19:40:53] AzaToth, I did not get a new patchset out today, too much rl work [19:40:55] apergos: I appreciate it's appreciated that appreciate is appropriate [19:41:03] I thought you would :-D [19:41:27] apergos I appriciate that you apriciated what AzaToth also apreciated [19:41:27] apergos: but which appreciate does it mean [19:41:31] you have 2% mr? nice [19:41:42] I think I have a -1 on that ability [19:41:58] apergos: 2% above normal [19:41:59] apergos you can read minds too, just incorrectly. [19:42:04] AzaToth: the appreciably appropriate one [19:42:11] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/71751/1/modules/ext.centralNotice.bannerController/bannerController.js [19:42:18] does this mean that emergency banners cannot be hidden? [19:42:22] why does appropriate have pirate in it? [19:42:30] so 2% above normal is what on a die roll? [19:42:53] because pirates are always appropriate [19:42:58] arrr [19:43:00] apergos: something a pirate would aprove [19:43:12] even a pirate [19:43:14] +p [19:43:41] we need an MediaWiki extension for mind reading [19:43:47] apergos can you code it? [19:43:47] apergos: using "arrr" when referring to pirates are soo pathetic [19:43:53] no, too much on my plate already [19:44:06] see above where I didn't get today's new patchset out as planned [19:44:10] AzaToth you'd arrrgue to that end wouldn't ya matey? [19:44:14] also have dinner on my plate right now (starving) [19:44:23] apergos: btw, I must stress you really want to export the package to it's own git [19:44:39] apergos: your dinner is starving? [19:44:43] AzaToth: duly noted for the 3rd or 4th time [19:44:45] or do you are a starving dinner? [19:44:53] have* [19:45:02] or is the plate starving? [19:45:06] no, my dinner does not consist of any live animals, nor formerly live animals [19:45:29] eating rabbit food? [19:45:31] AzaToth: ori-l wait, the 'root servers'? I thought they were sortof an abstract concept? They actually exist? [19:45:36] like [19:45:39] physical servers? [19:45:40] nope, pasta [19:45:56] apergos: pasta without bacon? [19:46:07] you'd better believe it [19:46:26] pasta without bacon with thyme and olive oil [19:46:27] YuviPanda: there are 359 root servers [19:46:30] and tomato sauce [19:46:39] AzaToth thats a lot of roots [19:46:40] no thyme [19:47:05] but they are limited to 13 logical servers [19:47:13] thyme makes everything better. I'd toss it on tear gas too but they dont toss it around here. [19:48:38] YuviPanda: disclaimer: http://xkcd.com/903/ [19:48:39] hmm [19:48:43] what do these servers do? [19:48:46] are you tlaking about DNS roots? [19:48:51] YuviPanda: yes [19:48:58] ahh [19:48:59] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Root_name_server [19:49:04] well that makes sense [19:49:18] also read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FQDN [19:49:29] gaah I for some reason kept thinking of them as HTTP servers :| [19:49:32] i... should clearly sleep [19:49:48] heh [19:50:00] or do something other than writing HTTP stuff for a while [19:50:01] grr [19:50:07] have a basil pesto (didn't make this one though, my basil plants are all a bit small yet) [19:50:56] MatmaRex: so what was the correct way to check which version a certain patch will be included in? [19:51:48] !wp mw:MediaWiki 1.22/Roadmap [19:51:48] https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=mw%3aMediaWiki+1.22%2fRoadmap [19:52:13] check the "Included in", then compare against the roadmap ^ [19:52:37] if it's only "included in" master, then it means it'll be in the next wmfN version [19:52:57] also, this doesn't apply to extensions [19:52:59] next means one that hasn't been deployed to test wikis yet [19:53:05] yes [19:53:17] thanks [19:53:21] there you have to compare the merge date to the date of first deployment of each wmfN version [19:53:33] and ask Reedy if they're really close [19:53:38] :P [19:53:51] apergos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/64783809@N00/9231361809/ [19:53:54] there you go [19:55:06] MatmaRex: perhaps you can explain some things to me so I can work on Tech News? :-) [19:55:28] ori-l: You could fix Wiktionary. [19:55:42] sure, give me a few minutes [19:56:47] odder: brb in 15 minutes, then yes. :) [19:57:38] ah no thanks [19:57:46] I don't have a pic of my food but I'm finding it quire tasty [19:58:24] "quire" - One-twentieth of a ream of paper; a collection of twenty-four or twenty-five sheets of paper of the same size and quality, unfolded or having a single fold [19:58:51] or as verb "To prepare quires by stitching together leaves of paper." [19:59:07] or "To sing in concert" [20:16:06] odder: yep? [20:18:26] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/71751/ [20:18:46] 21:42 odder: does this mean that emergency banners cannot be hidden? [20:21:17] odder: no idea [20:21:19] marktraceur: ^ [20:21:31] mwalker|away: ^ [20:23:08] Appropriately, 'apt' apologist apergos appreciates 'Apache' application. apergos's approval applauds Apache's aptitude ("appealing", apparently). Aporetic apostates appeal apopleptically, appraising Apache's appetite ("appalling", aping apathetic Apple's "Aperture" app). [20:23:32] * YuviPanda claps [20:23:38] *applauds [20:24:22] graoooooan [20:28:08] I would not describe myself as an apt apologist [20:28:40] I admit to a mild preference for yum + rpms, not that either packaging system is all that great [20:31:22] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48183 mhm [20:32:04] http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8f/Notifications-HTML-Email-Single-Example-Cropped.png oh my god [20:32:19] this is the sort of crap I teach my spam filter to trash immediately [20:32:34] wow, 23,000 emails, and worse - no adblock! [20:33:02] also, I'm tempted to speedy delete this image because it's not categorized [20:33:28] oh come on, that is what evil commons admins do. be the good one, and add a category :) [20:35:09] It is up to the uploader to categorize their uploads properly. [20:35:42] With just 17 million images and a wonderfully working search engine, it's so easy to find files! Right? [20:37:44] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Search/all:Indian_man [20:37:58] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Search/all:forefinger [20:48:22] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/71319/ hm, can't see it on en [20:49:30] also YuviPanda https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/70597/ [20:52:29] yeah, i've been hit with the forefinger before [20:52:52] odder: what about it? [20:53:15] does this work? it doesn't work for me. [20:55:07] odder: unsure, but 1. it might not have been deployed, or 2. i remember reading about adding a feature by which certain cats or so are disabled from mobiel view [20:55:13] could be either, but MaxSem would know better [20:55:24] wat? [20:56:52] hm, log shows the file was synchronized on July 4 and 5 [20:58:13] yep, it's not fully functional yet [21:13:55] OK, can /anyone/ help me explain [5] and [6] in simple English on https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tech/News/2013/28 ? [21:15:57] huh, why is that page using en-dashes (en–dashes) instead of regular hyphens? [21:16:24] that's me being crazy and having a rational Polish keyboard enabled. [21:16:44] like §€¢−×÷–—…•¡© [21:16:48] but why dashes for in-word, uh, little lines? D: [21:16:51] anyway [21:17:23] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/71536/ doesn't really matter much, i think, unless some wikis split standard sysop rights into multiple user groups or something [21:18:00] like allowing non-sysops toedit fully protected pages [21:18:11] i don't think anyone has done that [21:18:21] and the second, poke mwalker|away or marktraceur? [21:18:36] hm, so basically it introduces two new user rights, editprotected and editsemiprotected [21:18:53] i think editprotected already existed [21:19:19] of course it did, it's even in the commit message, silly me. [21:19:59] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/71536/3/RELEASE-NOTES-1.22 hmm [21:23:29] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/71751/ was described as "It's more likely you'll see emergency-related banners on your wiki, instead of missing them because of a cookie error." by Sumana [21:51:52] odder: where? what's a cookie error? [21:53:38] jeremyb: I have no idea what you're asking [21:53:48] 07 21:23:29 < odder> https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/71751/ was described as "It's more likely you'll see emergency-related banners on your wiki, instead of missing them because of a cookie error." by Sumana [21:54:04] I know, I posted that. [21:55:48] jeremyb: I still don't know what you mean [21:57:07] jeremyb: conjecture, but IIRC some people 'missed' the VE notice because of 'cookie errors', when they dismissed one banner everything was dismissed and never shown again, even though some banners are supposed to be shown at least once. Might be a fix for that [21:57:09] odder: ^ [21:57:34] Emergency priority [[mw:Extension:CentralNotice|CentralNotice]] banners will always be shown unless users have hidden them, ignoring cookies set for lower priority banners. ? [21:57:47] yeah [21:57:53] that sounds like an accurate description [21:58:26] OK... [21:59:03] still not sure about https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/71536/ [21:59:04] so 1) where did sumana say that? and 2) this does sound like it's related to cookies but does *not* sound like a cookie error? it worked as designed and then someone decided to change the design [21:59:19] can't really describe that in simple English [21:59:32] (i did say "what's a cookie error?") [21:59:42] jeremyb: https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tech/News/2013/28&oldid=5633220 [22:00:50] jeremyb: maybe it wasn't settting priority specific cookies, so 'cookie error' would be 'error in the cookie handling code' [22:01:27] so, unless someone says 71536 is critically important or gets an idea how to describe it, I'm gonna ignore it. [22:01:32] aha! [22:02:19] odder: I think 71536 is ignorable. [22:02:48] it's got a long description, which leaves the impression it might be important. [22:02:58] a long commit message? [22:03:05] that usually just means that the commiter is a nice person [22:03:12] hah [22:04:32] wow, is it morning already?? [22:04:41] 3:30 here [22:04:42] AM [22:04:54] must be later in australia [22:05:39] well Tim /nick'd :) [22:05:49] I noticed :) [22:20:56] must be later in australia which is what tim is (unless hes aedst again) [22:31:14] Tech News #28 is out if anyone cares: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2013/28 [22:37:53] odder: thanks. How do you decide what to include in each week's report? [22:38:17] odder: btw https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:User_Advocacy [22:38:37] new effort to get en.wp editors participating in the technical process. [22:39:06] ori-l: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tech/News#contribute-monitor we review these and make a judgement call [22:39:47] thedj: thanks, I'll try to keep an eye on it [22:40:39] i predict a silent death due to the 30 people screaming murder for a 'community review group' not actually wanting to contribute to it though [22:41:11] thedj: the 'tech' link actually leads to a non-existing page on the wmfwiki as far as I see [22:41:25] odder: ah, cool [22:41:28] thanks! [22:43:33] odder: I fixed that link. [22:45:45] thanks Elsie [22:46:39] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:User_Advocacy looks like I've been mentioned as a non–troll on en:, in the end, that's fantastic news [22:49:30] you drama queen [22:49:43] perhaps. [22:52:08] caring so much about a silly bock [22:52:11] *block [22:52:33] We discussed this already at lenght, thank you. [22:52:43] Where'd you get blocked? [22:56:26] Oh, never mind. I think I found it. [22:59:09] Nemo_bis: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Roundtables/Roundtable_1#Participants is interesting [23:01:17] thedj: the User Advocacy group was only started today? [23:01:59] almost two days ago [23:12:10] ori-l: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=50863 seems not yet been fixed [23:12:57] Tim just merged the change some 40 minutes ago. It still needs to be synced. [23:13:18] ok [23:13:20] You can probably ping him if you think it's urgent. [23:13:43] Though the change mentions that this fixes a fatal, so he's aware. [23:13:50] I am not able to determine what is considered urgent, but this happens: [23:13:51] https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuji_%28vulkaan%29 [23:14:04] fatal seems a good desciption [23:14:23] it loads for me [23:14:39] I get: Our servers are currently experiencing a technical problem. This is probably temporary and should be fixed soon. Please try again in a few minutes. [23:14:52] the blue screen of death [23:14:53] Romaine: me too [23:15:11] PHP fatal error in /usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.22wmf8/includes/parser/Preprocessor_DOM.php line 955: [23:15:11] Argument 1 passed to DOMXPath::__construct() must be an instance of DOMDocument, null given, called in /usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.22wmf8/extensions/Scribunto/engines/LuaCommon/LuaCommon.php on line 500 and defined [23:15:13] (idea: don't copy that from Windows :S ) [23:16:36] TimStarling: were you going to sync that change? [23:17:07] I can do it, if you like [23:17:24] can't you just revert the module? [23:17:45] it's not like we've changed this code recently [23:18:35] which module is it? I'm looking for the full traceback on fluorine now [23:19:29] ah, coordinates [23:20:06] {{#coordinates}} + https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module:AddNearby ? [23:20:13] yes [23:22:01] https://nl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sjabloon:Co%C3%B6rdinaten&diff=38416653&oldid=38319604 [23:22:17] https://nl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sjabloon:Coor&diff=38418237&oldid=33383789 [23:22:20] revert those edits [23:22:26] +1 template more [23:23:33] I removed the code from 3 templates [23:24:16] next step is to find a way to solve this issue [23:26:12] seems to work again [23:26:39] but any idea how to fix so we can use nearby ? [23:28:48] you could use frame:preprocess [23:30:01] no knowledge about that [23:32:17] the Module:AddNearby is used to convert 52_22_0_N_4_54_0_E to 52|22|0|N|4|54|0|E [23:34:28] frame:preprocess('{{#coordinates:52|22|0|N|4|54|0|E}}') [23:36:14] or more generally, frame:preprocess('{{#coordinates:' .. frame.args[1]:gsub('_','|') .. '}}') [23:36:50] There is [/wiki/File:New_NATO_Standardization_Agency_logo.svg another file] already on the wiki with the same filename [23:36:56] this doesn't look good. [23:36:57] is that what should be put into the module? [23:37:39] no, I think it should be put into a copy of the module and then be tested thorougly [23:41:22] the module is now out of use, so it can be tested