[03:47:08] why isn't "c:" a prefix for Commons? [03:47:57] There's an open bug about it. [03:50:25] * PinkAmpersand wanders through bugzilla [03:51:25] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4676 WONTFIX'd :/ [03:56:49] FTFY. [03:57:43] translation requested: FTFY [03:58:05] Fixed that for you. [03:58:10] I reopened the bug. [03:58:15] You're welcome. [03:59:18] * PinkAmpersand hugs Elsie [03:59:53] Gay. [04:00:11] * Jasper_Deng lols [04:00:21] gayer than using girls' names as your IRC nicks? [04:01:19] are there any plans to disable interwiki prefixes in the search box? seems like it would solve a lot of our problems in that regard [04:01:48] That would require some coding, I'm pretty sure [04:02:01] (I believe there's a feature request about this for Wikidata, in regards to "Wikipedia:" prefixes in the search box) [04:02:16] Jasper_Deng: as opposed to bugs that can be fixed with magic? ;) [04:03:18] Bugs that can be fixed with configuration variables. [04:03:18] Or other settings. [04:03:43] * Jasper_Deng points PinkAmpersand to http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:MZMcBride/Bugs [04:04:33] oooh.... VE edit-section-link interface is pretty! [04:06:25] Jasper_Deng: what about the page? [04:06:50] kinda related to [21:02:24] PinkAmpersand Jasper_Deng: as opposed to bugs that can be fixed with magic? [04:07:33] PinkAmpersand: Thanks :) [04:09:23] Jasper_Deng: ah. but yeah, if the Wikidata team can figure out a way to do it there, and get the logic/coding out of the way, perhaps we could open a request to do that everywhere [04:10:33] What's wrong with interwikis auto-redirecting? [04:10:40] We're not going to break that logic. It's super-useful. [04:11:02] PinkAmpersand: on a related note, it's kind annoying when I try to go to a special page or a project page, and the search instead brings me to some random item [04:11:14] when I press enter for my actual search term [04:12:27] Elsie: [[Q: Are We Not Men? A: We Are Devo!]] [04:12:56] it should be a user preference (since I, too, use the search box for interwiki stuff) [04:13:26] Jasper_Deng: well, if you press enter instead of clicking on something, that shouldn't happen [04:13:51] however, there's that annoying thing when your mouse wanders through the dropdown and it removes text from what you've written [04:14:01] not sure if there's an open bug on that [04:14:01] well, sometimes the search suggestion comes up auto-selected. ^that too. [04:29:33] uh [04:29:42] I get " Fatal exception of type MWException" on all pages [04:29:57] [bc826232] 2013-06-28 04:29:48: Fatal exception of type MWException [04:29:59] RoanKattouw: ^ [04:30:10] yeah, multiple users are reporting this elsewhere. [04:30:11] ZOMG INTERNAL ERRORS [04:30:16] [21:28:01] icinga-wm PROBLEM - LVS HTTP IPv4 on rendering.svc.eqiad.wmnet is CRITICAL: HTTP CRITICAL: HTTP/1.1 500 MediaWiki exception - 612 bytes in 0.181 second response time [04:30:19] lfaraone: What URL? [04:30:23] Elsie: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page [04:30:33] Loads fine for me. [04:30:34] also watchlist [04:30:43] went away for me, then came back with the next page I loaded [04:30:45] I cannot browse any pages. [04:30:48] Hmmm. [04:30:55] looks like the problem is with certain servers [04:31:43] rendering.svc? [04:31:44] Wazzgoingon? [04:31:47] Just got this: [3b076889] 2013-06-28 04:30:33: Fatal exception of type MWException [04:31:47] That's scaler breakage [04:31:51] I'll take the flood of people joining the channel as "EVER CONFIRMED: 5" [04:32:10] yes, I've had it three times in the last 3 minutes [04:32:22] Risker: On every page? [04:32:22] Yes [04:32:28] well, I've only gone to two pages, but yes [04:32:52] James_F: not on every page for me [04:32:58] Hmm. [04:33:02] http://ganglia.wikimedia.org/latest/graph.php?r=day&z=xlarge&title=MediaWiki+errors&vl=errors+%2F+sec&x=0.5&n=&hreg[]=vanadium.eqiad.wmnet&mreg[]=fatal|exception>ype=stack&glegend=show&aggregate=1&embed=1 [04:33:03] interestingly, immediately afterward, my security flagged a malicious url which was identified by IP number [04:33:12] Pink: more like not every server [04:33:18] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_for_Molecular_Pathology_v._Myriad_Genetics,_Inc. is an error; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reporter_of_Decisions_of_the_Supreme_Court_of_the_United_States isn't (but used to be) [04:33:31] both are for me [04:33:48] Roan is looking into it. [04:33:50] the latter worked once them broke on frefresh [04:34:10] What? [04:34:18] BTW: the banner is displaying wrong in Chrome/Quantum Quetzal [04:34:50] Gah. Seems that wmf8 issues. [04:34:53] +has [04:34:53] Hello, is the down status about the exceptions? [04:35:00] yeah [04:35:02] Hazard-SJ: yes [04:35:11] Hazard-SJ: So, more like "somewhat down". [04:35:11] Okay :) [04:35:12] Henrietto: overlapping with page titles for you? [04:35:12] Verbs overrated. [04:35:33] Nouns rulers. [04:35:41] No but the text is overlapping the logo [04:36:44] that beter? :P [04:36:56] PinkAmpersand: "some" :O [04:37:03] Hazard-SJ: yes. some. not all [04:37:13] "world is ending! oh woe is us!" [04:37:20] okay, I'm at errors 97% of the time [04:37:20] It seems to be geographically dependent [04:37:24] Even RC is blacked out (well ... whited out :P ) :/ [04:37:51] NOOOOOOOOOOOO [04:37:52] "[5acccc4e] 2013-06-28 04:37:28: Fatal exception of type MWException" [04:37:53] everyone see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page OK? [04:37:54] y so many arrors [04:37:57] I can't global block [04:38:08] Risker: Yeah, someone screwed up earlier and Roan's push caused it to come to light. :-( [04:38:08] Soyez calm, mes gens. [04:38:14] Something broke, is being fixed. [04:38:15] Henrietto: That actually shows :O [04:38:26] It shows, Henrietto. [04:38:28] Indeed. [04:38:43] Amgine_: can we just set that as the status on all urgent bugs? :) [04:38:51] [04:38:56] * Risker has great faith....and yes, the main page seems to work but links from it don't [04:39:17] Risker [04:39:19] ;D [04:39:22] PinkAmpersand: Only if they *are* being fixed. [04:39:46] hey, everyone, let's go vandalize ArbCom while they're blinded! ;) [04:39:48] Jasper: j'suis pas a TOI ! :) [04:39:49] Hello [04:39:53] I'm dying here. [04:39:54] :D [04:39:56] now there's a thot... [04:39:58] Current suspicion is levelled at wikibase being in wmf9 but not wmf8. [04:40:02] Wikt is also affected [04:40:08] Meta also [04:40:13] how do you vandalize Arbcom? [04:40:15] We know [04:40:15] I can't do steward tasks [04:40:16] Is anyone else also unable to check their watchlists? [04:40:17] nooo, please tell me this isn't Wikidata's fault [04:40:37] tos2: yep [04:40:43] Oh, please. This is all clearly the fault of penis images. [04:40:46] I can pull up my watchlist [04:40:47] [cb867ebc] 2013-06-28 04:39:04: Fatal exception of type MWException [04:40:50] Risker: you exist still? [04:40:54] tos2: they know >.> [04:40:54] Thats what I see [04:40:59] tos2: read the topic :3 [04:41:06] Charmlet...umm, yeah [04:41:10] Risker: too many joke answers to that to pick a single one [04:41:14] Prove it. [04:41:21] Risker: hey, that's good, with everything thrown at you [04:41:37] arbcom must be so fun for you. [04:42:08] ugh, if this is Wikidata's fault, the en.wp trolls will revolt [04:42:12] Y'know, if this weren't an overflow channel it wouldn't be nearly as fun. [04:42:41] PinkAmpersand: It's more that the code for Wikidata was mis-deployed and the next person to come along caused it to break everything. [04:42:56] Somebody wake Tim Starling [04:43:04] Henrietto: we already have a sysadmin on it [04:43:11] TimStarling: Wake up, centipede [04:43:15] ahh okay. well, we may need to throw somebody in the STOCKS as a scapegoat :D [04:43:17] I am having some trouble getting to my local wiki, and can only reach en.wiki, is this a common problem [04:43:18] ? [04:43:27] Taketa: see the channel topic [04:43:30] that's new... [04:43:37] SigmaWP: behave [04:43:37] Taketa, Yep [04:43:40] Taketa: If you can get to en.wiki, you're doing better than everyone else. ;-) [04:43:44] Which language? itwiki and eswiki seem fine [04:44:01] Jasper_Deng: ? [04:44:06] all versions on wikipedia.nl (nl, li, fy) are not working [04:44:17] Henrietto: as things break, requests per second rise, dramatically. [04:44:29] * Charmlet refreshes 10000000 times to fix it [04:44:39] well, en,wiki works very well from my pc in The Netherlands [04:44:39] THE MAIN PAGE LOADZ FOR ME IF THAT HELPS [04:44:46] Taketa: huh. same here. [04:44:52] Charmlet: Doesn't help :( [04:45:00] Hazard-SJ: I'm trying to hep :) [04:45:01] thus foiling my planned West Frisian spam campaign ;) [04:45:04] Scratch that, itwiki is throwing exceptions [04:45:11] hep hep whoray. [04:45:12] just randomly clicking, 90% of pages work for me. [04:45:32] on second thought, some pages are indeed not working [04:45:37] the best way to solve this is definitely for us to all list every single page that is or isn't working :P [04:45:48] you know what, let's create a wiki to list them all... oh wait [04:45:51] I know the solution! I will mount a DDOS to make sure all the pages are working! [04:45:55] [04:46:01] And bumm13 [04:46:13] ok, thnx for the info guys. When do you expect it fixed? say in 6 hours? [04:46:24] we don't know, but hopefully soon [04:46:26] Taketa: 6 minutes. [04:46:42] Perhaps sooner, if we can all be quiet and let people work. [04:46:51] PinkAmpersand: er, wait, I'd flood out >.> [04:46:59] Soyez calme [04:47:00] i haven't said anything :) [04:47:14] [04:47:19] *calmes (or better calmez-vous) [04:48:14] Henrietto: comment dit on � silly . [04:48:21] fou [04:48:44] seas perezoso, sientense y relajense. [04:48:57] * PinkAmpersand knows what the second word there means :D [04:48:57] no hay nada que puede hacer para ayudar los Dios, los programadores :D [04:49:25] uno oso perezoso es muy peligroso [04:50:15] hi, is there problem with the server? [04:50:15] https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1017430_125328937677568_353072880_n.jpg [04:50:29] bennylin: yes - see the channel topic [04:51:03] Charmlet: I know :) [04:51:13] Hazard-SJ: :) [04:51:30] todavia nos queda el quejar, hay que aprovechar nooooo? [04:51:39] Commons just became sane again. [04:51:42] * Hazard-SJ wonders why Charmlet was typing in Spanish :/ [04:51:57] WooHoo! My Recent Changes is back! [04:52:03] Closeapple: there's something no one's ever said ;) [04:52:04] Hazard-SJ: because I told the spanish speakers to not be yelling around. [04:52:14] ahecht: not for me they aren't [04:52:37] Commons: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Billdal_wybrzeze.jpg [04:52:50] I so want to say "targetting missiles" in another channel. [04:53:05] ahecht: What wiki? [04:53:06] OK, sysadmins are submitting fixes [04:53:16] PinkAmpersand: Yeah. I realized that just after I hit Enter. Oops. [04:53:22] Hazard-SJ: en, but it's gone again [04:53:29] It seems it's happening erratically [04:53:45] yes [04:53:56] Closeapple: Still have problems with Commons [04:54:40] explanations now being added to https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Server_Admin_Log [04:55:13] "explanations" [04:55:15] Yeah-- Commons just went back to MWException again. Darn. [04:55:55] aha so it's catrope's fault [04:55:59] get him! [04:56:08] ;p [04:56:11] That cat. [04:56:14] OlEnglish: no it isn't [04:56:14] Opposite. [04:56:26] a smart sysadmin would fix this for ever page except WP:STOCKS ;) [04:57:17] " " " " " " " every site except WP. " [04:57:44] [04:57:47] hahaha [04:57:51] The commons exceptions are different - you still see the skin, just not the content [04:58:01] mobile site looks to be completely down from what I'm seeing [04:58:18] The talk is about reverting the MediaWiki version back to wmf7 [04:58:22] Good, mobile is crap anyway [04:58:27] Henrietto: stfu [04:58:33] Jasper_Deng [04:58:38] just tell them the channel [04:58:40] Jasper_Deng: not enough. i demand we take it back to UseMod! [04:58:53] #wikimedia-operations :) [04:58:57] * Henrietto votes for punchcards [04:59:04] is it all namespaces other than article? [04:59:13] (just remember to keep all the trolling here, folks.) [04:59:26] PinkAmpersand: The uncached version of that page works :) [04:59:36] * cached [04:59:53] Henrietto: holepunches can break. i say we use a tinker-toy computer [05:00:08] Risker: blame canada?! [05:00:21] JeremyB: shush, you. [05:00:25] haha [05:00:29] * Charmlet slaps everyone [05:00:45] Now better. [05:01:48] We're back [05:01:55] {{fixed}} for now [05:02:00] You say the sweetest things. [05:03:07] w00t [05:03:16] thanks magic working people :) [05:03:42] yes, thank you :) [05:03:59] A helpee just reported this http://gyazo.com/a8d175af3a5175dfc434edf932cb0fa5 right before fixing. [05:04:03] not sure if it's significant [05:04:12] helplet [05:04:43] Charmlet: my totally uneducated guess would be that it was a secondary bug triggered by all the configuration changes [05:04:49] :o [05:04:57] No, it wasn't that [05:05:20] It looks like the WikiData deployment earlier left things in a broken state [05:05:27] So that when I did a deployment, everything blew up [05:05:35] Charmlet: i got that one too first hand [05:05:39] Without traps, syncs would be pretty boring. [05:05:41] jeremyb: oh ok [05:05:45] Yay! Blame wikidata! [05:05:51] Charmlet: They already knew the issue, that would just give the rest of us a traceback of the error :P rather than keeping the logs "secret" [05:06:00] :P [05:06:43] RoanKattouw: may I? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_stocks [05:06:44] Amgine_: Wikidata was working fine, until the deployment [05:07:27] I didn't say it wasn't working now. Just that we should all blame [some probably innocent group not here right now] [05:07:54] Remember, a lack of presence === lack of defense. [05:08:19] Amgine_ beats up old people. [05:08:28] who aren't armed. [05:08:51] someone should give them prosthetics [05:09:00] * jeremyb runs away [05:09:06] [05:09:58] Amgine_: :< [05:10:24] Oh, darn, a defender... We need another scapegoat. [05:10:26] When editing, my edit toolbar seems to have disappeared. Is this a side effect of reverting to WMF7? [05:10:52] Possibly [05:11:02] Various things will probably be broken-ish due to the rollback to wmf7 [05:11:06] But at least the site is up [05:11:08] Amgine_: I'm part of the defense too, and so are my bots :P [05:11:52] [05:11:58] Thanks everyone for your work on bringing the site back up. [05:12:12] Software can be a pain to get stable sometimes. [05:13:02] s/to get stable sometimes./. [05:15:44] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_state_highways_in_Texas still either gives me "Timeout waiting for the lock" or a more generic error message, and it's been like this for a week [05:16:45] sysadmins are busy with solving what caused the outage and how to fix it; works for me. [05:16:52] although it does take a long time to load. [05:17:30] The issue is fixed now but there will be some residual problems for a bit [05:17:33] someone with more tech knowledge than me might want to re-explain things @ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Fatal_exception_of_type_MWException [05:18:40] Is it back? [05:19:06] Should be [05:19:14] I can see that Village pump thread, for one thing [05:19:51] Not enough mayhem and failure. [07:51:01] legoktm: are there stats for the number of DB queries run on Tool Labs, similar to http://munin.toolserver.org/Database/Summary/queries.html ? [07:51:36] not sure, if its tracked itll be on nagios or icinga somewhere [08:44:21] hmm... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#No_toolbars_when_editing [08:44:26] wait, wrong section [08:44:37] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Something.27s_badly_wrong [08:44:56] pretty sure it's an MW issue, not a template thing, since the cats aren't showing up on the relevant pages [08:45:02] (and I have hidden cats enabled) [08:46:42] not to be confused with http://invisiblecats.com/ ;) [10:20:50] PinkAmpersand: fill a bug about it :-) [10:21:47] well, might wanna give it a few hours, in case it's a lingering ghost in the machine from the wmf7 rollback [10:22:31] ghost in the machine mentioned [10:22:37] Hi ghost. How goes ? [10:27:00] It does not go well? Sad ghost ? [10:44:53] oh, now *here's* an interesting potential bug [10:45:20] jubo2: go to http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/United_States_v._Windsor can you click the links in the little infobox in the corner? [10:48:01] legoktm: still around? [10:48:07] uh oh, you mean the various links under 'dissenting opinions' etc? [10:48:16] apergos: yeah :/ [10:48:47] I noticed a similar thing on another page earlier, but thought it was because of something else [10:49:04] ugh [10:49:30] yeah [10:49:37] PinkAmpersand: nope. I can't either [10:49:38] weird thing is it works on some pages. e.g. http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/United_States_v._Detroit_Timber_%26_Lumber_Company [10:50:05] weird bug... Hold on let me get my lager and pop-corn [10:50:13] P-; [10:50:22] title doesn't appear to show up in serch (yeah I looked for an older page too, works there) [10:50:26] *search [10:51:20] hmm? what title? [10:51:48] nm [10:52:04] oh [10:52:06] are the dissents in there? [10:52:24] you mean, should the redlinks be red? the answer to that is yes [10:52:59] but i don't think it has anything to do with redlinks... see the TOC on http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Constitution_of_the_United_States_of_America [10:53:30] (note that it's a manual TOC, but still...) [10:54:38] oohh linky to wp article fails too [10:55:07] yep [10:55:11] shall i file a bug? [10:55:31] Opinion of the Court
[10:55:58] Opinion of the Court
[10:56:11] ahhhhh [10:56:14] of course that one exists [10:56:20] parsing the Ampersand wrong? [10:56:50] * PinkAmpersand grins. my favorite punctuation character is so mischievous [10:57:15] not sure that's what it is [10:57:19] * apergos tries a couple things [10:58:33]

Blot

[10:58:37] this is a working link [10:58:45] sorry for the el [10:59:11] lol, it's fine :) I sat through /Dogtooth/, so I can handle a little Greek ;) [10:59:31] ok, so my ampersand is vindicated. good :) [11:00:04] yep but looking at the links, no idea why one works and the other one is broken [11:01:25] purged page, working links [11:01:38] really? i purged earlier and it didn't work :P [11:01:49] really. I just did and it just did [11:01:55] ^that comment is super creepy for anyone who's seen /The Purge/ :D [11:02:06] haven't but I'll take your word for it [11:02:21] anyways if you see this behavior a few more times today then I'd say report it [11:02:23] otherwise... meh [11:03:07] well, links still aren't working for me on /Windsor/, and I've purged my local cache as well, so it's not that [11:03:31] also still an issue for me while logged out [11:03:50] ugh [11:03:50] which makes me think server issues, like what we had with the exception errors a few hours ago [11:03:58] try a different browser out of curiosity? [11:04:57] ugh, I'm sleepy, and the other computer's far away :( [11:05:02] hmm not working for me either now (hop I purged the right article, I closed all the tabs though >_<) [11:05:05] sigh, the things I do for MediaWiki [11:05:16] yeah, sure, I'll try in a sec [11:06:10] oh I see, now that's weird [11:06:18] while it's loading I get the link [11:06:27] but after it's done loading then it ceases being a link [11:06:52] so no I didn't hallucinate but no the purge didn't actually fix it, I was just too quick [11:08:38] bug on Firefox too [11:08:50] before reporting it as a bug you prolly want to try a couple things like: use the template in a page by itself (preview, don't bother to save), see if you get links or not [11:08:52] etc [11:08:53] I was gonna say no bug on IE, but after that point you just raised I have to double-check [11:09:39] heh [11:10:12] apergos: well this is really fucking weird [11:10:31] "page does not exist" is showing up in Greek! [11:10:40] :-D [11:10:46] guess your purge did something after all [11:10:50] :-D :-D [11:10:56] ok well bz it I guess wtf [11:10:57] something it definitely absolutely positively was not supposed to do [11:11:35] yeah that sounds pretty broken bleah [11:12:14] I've seen this before and unfortunately don't remember what was at fault (not the links but the messages in the wrong language [11:12:16] ) [11:12:41] well, yeah, I'll go do those testcases you mentioned, and then file a bug [11:14:26] I'm pretty sure they'll look just fine [11:14:50] they do. links work fine @ http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/User:PinkAmpersand/bugtest [11:16:30] expected [11:21:14] apergos: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=50367 [11:22:07] you should add whether you saw any difference logged in or not [11:22:11] other than that, looks good [13:28:17] does anyone know if WikiLove is automatically installed and enabled on WM wikis now? [13:31:05] James_A: I did individually for jawiki https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32312 [13:31:16] not sure if it is still current practice, though [13:31:51] at least I don't see it on jawikt [13:32:55] Okay, thanks for the link. That was a few years ago though. It was recently enabled on en Wikivoyage, to the annoyance of some users, though it appears no one ever made a tech request [13:37:34] hey James_A - you know how to check that sort of thing? the config file at noc? [13:37:53] James_A: https://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=CommonSettings.php and https://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=InitialiseSettings.php [13:39:20] thanks Sumanah. I'm a little clueless at this sort of stuff, but Ctrl+F on the first link finds a "enable WikiLove" script, so I assume that means it's default? [13:40:09] No [13:40:19] wait, found it. second link. bug 50063 [13:40:22] https://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=InitialiseSettings.php - 'wmgUseWikiLove' => array( 'default' => false, [13:40:53] and then in CommonSettings.php you see that indeed wmgUseWikiLove corresponds to the WikiLove extension $IP/extensions/WikiLove/WikiLove.php [13:41:14] the "'default' ==> false" thing means that by default it is NOT enabled on WMF wikis [13:41:17] great. thanks for your help. [13:41:47] "wmgMobileFrontend" (for example) has default true, in contrast [13:42:05] James_A: glad to help. :) [13:42:20] !b 50063 [13:42:20] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/50063 [18:40:29] PHP fatal error in /data/project/apache/common-local/php-master/extensions/MobileFrontend/includes/MobileContext.php line 303: [18:40:30] Call to a member function getPrefixedText() on a non-object [18:40:49] thats on http://en.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Golden-crowned_Sparrow?veaction=edit (not logged in) [18:41:58] I wonder why MobileFrontend does that? [18:48:05] also on http://en.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UserLogin [18:48:44] se4598 sorry, that is frustrating [18:51:18] mh, Articles and history work, root index.php not: http://en.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/w/index.php [18:52:58] se4598 being discussed in #wikimedia-mobile [18:55:24]