[09:16:08] aww at last https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Engineering/2013-14_Goals [09:40:27] hello, I have questions about language fallback. 1) where is it discussed and 2) can it be turned off? (trilanguage page can be very-very annoying) [13:38:06] why isn't wikitech listed on SiteMatrix? [13:39:01] it's not part of the wmf wikifarm [13:39:36] oh. why not? [13:40:00] it's on http://www.wikimedia.org/ [13:43:30] it has been a separate wiki traditionally since it has vital documentation on how to fix the main cluster if it's down [13:43:46] that doesn't stand anymore, but it was recently merged with labsconsole [13:43:56] which means that it carries a few extensions not suitable for the main cluster [13:44:06] like OpenStackManager, LDAP, semantic mediawiki etc. [13:44:28] there was a proposal recently on merging wikitech & mediawiki.org but I don't think it went anywhere, sadly [13:45:22] it wasn't about merging them [13:45:34] it was about moving the non-mediawiki docs away from mediawiki.org [13:45:58] yeah, but shouldn't it still be on SiteMatrix? It's supposed to be a "list of Wikimedia wikis". [13:46:00] and yeah, didn't go anywhere [13:46:03] well, but Erik turned it into a proposal of doing the opposite [13:46:03] Ryan_Lane: oh you're here [13:46:31] it's silly to stick all of our technical docs on mediawiki.org [13:46:46] paravoid: yeah, only for about 10 mins, though :) [13:46:53] heh [13:47:07] it's probably fine for wikitech to be on the site matrix, but the authentication is even different [13:47:14] Ryan_Lane: speaking of all that, www.wikimedia.org has the unicorn logo with "Wikimedia Labs" underneath [13:47:30] well, I think it was that way when it was added [13:47:42] i know [13:48:39] IMHO, SiteMatrix should have a lot of stuff it doesn't currently have. It should also have a third section for behind-the-scenes technical stuff... bugzilla, gerrit, noc, blah blah blah [14:05:05] Ryan_Lane: There may be a bug with autoblocks. It happened on a wiki in which I blocked a sockpuppet (with account creation blocked) and then they registered another account right after (like an hour after) [14:05:28] I did not see an autoblock for the first account I blocked. [14:05:47] Bsadowski1: is this related to wikitech.wikimedia.org? [14:05:52] No [14:05:59] then I'm not the right person to talk to [14:06:07] put in a bug at bugzilla.wikimedia.org [14:06:24] some devs likely need to help you with this [14:06:44] * Ryan_Lane is on the operations team [14:07:45] Bsadowski1: you need to bribe Ryan_Lane with a large quantity of stroopwafels first [14:08:15] no amount of bribing will make me debug mediawiki for a software bug [14:08:22] unless it's on wikitech [14:08:40] or in one of the extensions I maintain :) [14:09:06] Who do I speak to? [14:09:15] It happened after I reblocked though [14:09:55] The autoblock was then seemingly removed [14:10:18] Bsadowski1: file it on bugzilla? [14:16:21] Could be related to https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5445 [14:51:25] Romaine: regarding Translation Notification Bot on pt.wp, where you refering to this -> https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/66372/ ? [14:55:50] speaking of which, Susan, did you check what's the effect of bot flag on Echo user talk notifications? [15:30:51] Alchimista: I refered to https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Meta_talk:Babylon&diff=5531726&oldid=5531725 [15:31:40] Too late Romaine :P [15:32:02] it's unblocked and flaged on pt.wp, so it shouldn't cause any more problems [16:10:33] "An error has occurred while searching: The search backend returned an error: Error opening index." [16:10:50] is this because it's a new wiki? [16:10:54] https://vec.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?search=fgh&title=Speciale%3ASerca&uselang=en [16:12:12] malafaya: it's possible [16:12:16] i think there was a bug about that [16:12:18] Somebody with DB check if the same case-insensitivity problem exists with SELECT transcode_id, transcode_image_name, transcode_key FROM transcode WHERE transcode_image_name="Citation_surfing_from_journal_to_Google_Scholar_-_1750-0680-6-1-S1.WMV.ogv"; [16:12:51] MatmaRex, will it eventually clear? [16:13:02] malafaya: ah, there's a bug about this wiki already, even [16:13:05] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48715 [16:13:30] it's "high major", apparently. [16:13:38] that's exactly the one [16:13:47] Reedy: *poke* ^ [16:14:02] it makes it difficult to create new pages, especially if you don't know how to do it directly in the URL [16:15:03] zeljkof spam! ;) [16:15:19] zeljkof: seriously though, awesome job responding to all those! :) [16:15:27] malafaya: just in case, let me point out that i'm just a volunteer and i have no way of fixing this apart from poking Reedy ;) [16:16:20] MatmaRex, sure, i was assuming that already :) [16:16:26] many ppl here are [16:17:02] greg-g: on qa list? [16:17:27] zeljkof: yeah :) [16:18:40] hey greg-g [16:18:49] why don't you poke someone about https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48715 ? :P [16:19:19] MatmaRex: I can't do any more than you can really [16:19:41] Reedy: you know more people to poke [16:19:45] :D [16:20:26] Reedy: and you have access to that silly RT tracker [16:20:26] what the... RT is horrible.... looking MatmaRex|away :) [16:20:31] MatmaRex|away: malafaya The RT ticket to create the indexes is still open [16:20:35] which i have no idea why isn't public, really [16:20:44] "ops" [16:21:08] (away for reals now) [16:21:22] yeah, i didn't know what that ticket was about [16:21:28] manybubbles: do you have an RT account yet? [16:21:35] before Reedy mentioned it 2 mins ago :) [16:21:54] manybubbles: I have work to assign to you ;) [16:23:33] greg-g: I believe I do! I think my name there is "nik" but I could be manybubbles. [16:23:38] * greg-g nods [16:24:02] are you nik@wikimedia? [16:24:10] RT mostly uses full names [16:24:21] neverett@wikimedia [16:24:27] ok, I'll try that [16:24:29] I've got all kinds of names, it seems [16:24:36] :) we all do, it's a complex we have [16:24:37] He's listed in RT so I suspect it should work [16:24:37] <^demon> I totally read that as never-ett. [16:24:55] I just logged in as "nik" [16:25:20] manybubbles: I cc'd you on a ticket using your email (this interface.....), so, you should be able to see this: https://rt.wikimedia.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=5162 [16:26:54] greg-g: I see it. [16:27:20] manybubbles: at this point, I don't know what else to say/guide you with. I'll leave that with Reedy and ^demon :) [16:27:32] greg-g: I'll go from there. [16:27:38] <^demon> I think manybubbles needs a labs/gerrit account now :) [16:27:48] probably [16:27:49] :) [16:28:07] I've got labs but I'm still waiting on that silly laptop before I can do too much with it [16:28:17] * greg-g nods [16:28:32] right now I'm brainstorming stuff in my userspace. [16:29:22] My guess is this ticket will require some hacking on the puppet configs but I'll have to check them and have a look see [16:31:40] <^demon> manybubbles: Ah, didn't know you were in labs/gerrit already. What's your labs username, so I can add you to the Solr project. [16:37:37] ^demon: manybubbles I think. [16:39:47] <^demon> manybubbles|away: And you're now in the Solr project and a project admin, so you can create all the instances you want there now :) [16:40:59] sweet! [16:41:53] ^demon: so that means I can create new virtual machines and shell into them. [16:42:01] <^demon> Indeed [16:42:22] ^demon: so how does the workflow for this kind of thing work? [16:42:31] <^demon> There's documentation, lemme find the link [16:42:40] thanks! [16:43:48] <^demon> https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Instances and https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Access should be a good place to start [16:44:09] yum! more reading! [16:44:30] this is seriously perfect though [16:46:23] <^demon> And you're already in channel, but most labs folks hang out in #wikimedia-labs, so if you've got any questions there's usually a bunch of people idling there who can lend a hand. [17:01:13] Reedy: btw, there aren't any puppet config changes needed for the VIPS rollout, right? I'm not entirely sure from my limited understanding of how our puppet is laid out/if the vipsscaler code just calls the predefined image scalers (some range of mwXX) [17:02:06] By the looks of the config, the current setup only tries to use one host [17:02:06] $wgVipsThumbnailerHost = '10.2.1.21'; [17:02:13] Doesn't seem very scalable for WMF usage to me [17:02:27] btw, gmail is marking emails from design-request@lists.wikimedia.org as spam... [17:03:21] Though, that looks testing related.. [17:03:50] greg-g: AFAIK the vips packages are/were already installed on the image scalers [17:04:00] we were just mostly waiting for a newer version to fix numerous bugs [17:04:22] Reedy: the packages are, it appears, so the MW code will just "do the right thing" and use the right set of scalers? :) [17:04:31] I've nfi tbh [17:04:34] :) [17:04:36] sweet [17:04:49] what's jan's IRC nick? [17:07:27] greg-g: ^j or j^ I can't remember [17:07:57] Aaron|home: nice, he's labs account is just "j" so I was wondering :) Thanks. [17:09:51] greg-g: It would look like it just needs enabling everywhere [17:09:52] By default everything is scaled using vips. To disable scaling, set [17:09:52] $wgVipsOptions = array(); [17:10:03] sweet [17:10:14] Currently only enabled on test2 [17:10:19] right right [17:10:29] Might be worth making that test and mediawikiwiki for a slightly wider test base [17:10:41] Reedy: then, everything that needs to be done (as best we can tell) you can do on Thursday during the wmf6 deploy [17:10:54] Reedy: good idea, wanna do that tomorrow during your window? [17:11:34] (or, even today/this afternoon (pacific time)?) [17:20:21] Reedy: well, eitherway, just a heads up that I'm going to email -ambassadors in a couple so they know the change is coming and to report issues if they see them. [19:32:35] andre__: ouch, forgot to ask, is the Moldova hunting you too? [19:33:28] Nemo_bis: heh, thanks for asking. I'm high enough here and so far we've had luck. Not that much damage in the city. [19:34:12] but it's a weird atmosphere, lots of police, ambulance, military on the streets, no underground trains running, etc [19:34:58] I see :[ [19:35:33] do you also happen to know how bad the situation is in Holubice-Kozinec? I have a friend there [19:35:35] at least today it stopped raining after five days [19:35:42] heh [19:38:37] Nemo_bis: hmm, that city is not directly at the river but still close enough to Kralupy nad Vltavou to be concerned :-/ [19:46:11] andre__: ouch; thanks for the info