[00:27:59] <kaldari>	 greg-g: any idea what happened here: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/61937/
[00:30:48] <kaldari>	 The parser unit tests are throwing a bunch of 'Undefined index: wgStyleSheetPath' errors
[00:31:32] <kaldari>	 lwelling: any parser people down on 3?
[00:33:37] * marktraceur  looks

[00:41:51] <kaldari>	 marktraceur: any idea if I should be worried about that?
[00:42:09] <marktraceur>	 kaldari: Looks like c6af934ae65b8c7dbd878a376f9e46dc28bff941 disabled it
[00:42:38] <kaldari>	 how do I view c6af934ae65b8c7dbd878a376f9e46dc28bff941 in gerrit?
[00:44:13] <kaldari>	 marktraceur: ^
[00:44:37] <marktraceur>	 Uhm
[00:44:41] <kaldari>	 you'd think putting it in the search bar would work, but no
[00:44:43] <marktraceur>	 !g I5ec8dd53188e9e4128f99ceaff38ebf9dcf570bb
[00:44:44] <wm-bot>	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#q,I5ec8dd53188e9e4128f99ceaff38ebf9dcf570bb,n,z
[00:44:54] <marktraceur>	 Uhhhh
[00:45:08] <marktraceur>	 !g I42c4f859e55eb198f6c6841e582b3552aad7b31f
[00:45:08] <wm-bot>	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#q,I42c4f859e55eb198f6c6841e582b3552aad7b31f,n,z
[00:45:32] <kaldari>	 Reedy: ^
[00:45:38] <marktraceur>	 Oh, that was _last_ April
[00:45:43] <marktraceur>	 Maybe that's not the cause either
[00:45:47] <kaldari>	 lol
[00:48:46] <marktraceur>	 kaldari: It looks like a test setup failure more than a parser one
[00:48:54] <kaldari>	 well, I need to get this change out and run a scap. Any idea if it would be safe?
[00:49:26] <kaldari>	 It doesn't looks like anything else would have affected the parser on that branch: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/q/project:mediawiki/core+branch:wmf/1.22wmf3,n,z
[00:49:47] <marktraceur>	 kaldari: I'll run the tests locally quick and see if there's any problem
[00:50:06] <marktraceur>	 I somehow doubt it's a big deal
[00:50:06] <marktraceur>	 But good to double-chec
[00:50:07] <marktraceur>	 k
[00:50:24] <kaldari>	 run them on master and the 1.22wmf3 deployment branch if you can
[00:50:51] <marktraceur>	 *nod*
[00:57:15] <marktraceur>	 kaldari: Ehm, the large number of red Es on my screen aren't a positive sign
[00:57:44] <kaldari>	 is that in master or the deployment branch?
[00:57:46] <kaldari>	 or both?
[00:57:47] <marktraceur>	 Deployment
[00:58:14] <marktraceur>	 Though the wiki seems to work fine
[00:59:29] <kaldari>	 does master or wmf2 deployment throw errors?
[01:00:04] <marktraceur>	 wmf2
[01:00:08] <kaldari>	 ack
[01:01:18] <marktraceur>	 kaldari: Actually, it looks like the wgStyleSheetPath patch from 2012-04 got reverted somehow in master, but not in wmf2
[01:01:53] <marktraceur>	 !g I26c418d631047783ba945e6b6a7f707d876b3146
[01:01:54] <wm-bot>	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#q,I26c418d631047783ba945e6b6a7f707d876b3146,n,z
[01:02:01] <marktraceur>	 Reedy reverted it, in fact
[01:02:19] <kaldari>	 have to go to a meeting...
[01:02:22] <marktraceur>	 *nod*
[01:02:59] <marktraceur>	 kaldari: I'll talk with you from home
[01:13:14] <mwalker>	 kaldari: are you currently fiddling on fenari/deploying anything?
[01:13:42] <mwalker>	 I need to poke bits with a sharp stick -- and it looked like from the scrollback you might be mid something
[01:22:46] <kaldari>	 mwalker: I was hoping to deploy stuff, but wmf2 and wmf3 deployment branches are failing parser phpunit tests
[01:23:06] <mwalker>	 right; but that was happening earlier today
[01:23:21] <kaldari>	 oh yeah? guess I shouldn't worry about it then
[01:23:33] <kaldari>	 has anyone scapped since this started happening?
[01:23:44] <mwalker>	 yep -- I scapped my CN changes earlier
[01:23:54] <kaldari>	 OK, I guess I'll just ignore it then
[01:24:31] <mwalker>	 yep
[01:24:45] <kaldari>	 ok, can you gimme a little bit of time to wrap up then?
[01:25:22] <mwalker>	 actually since i didn't hear anything I went ahead and sync-filed my files
[01:25:25] <mwalker>	 so you're all in the clear
[01:26:36] <kaldari>	 thanks
[01:37:22] <ebernhardson>	 question regarding gerrit and merge conflicts.  I pushed a small patch and gerrit said it was merge conflict.  so i `git fetch gerrit master` and `git rebase gerrit/master` but there are no conflicts just a FF.  Then i did `git review` and now in gerrit it shows a bunch of changes in my patch that arnt part of my patch
[01:37:37] <ebernhardson>	 so what happened, and how do i start fixing?
[01:42:15] <Susan>	 Okay,
[01:42:18] <Susan>	 there is a bug in Bugzilla.
[01:42:28] <Susan>	 About adding other *.wikimedia.org domains to CentralAuth.
[01:42:32] <Susan>	 It may be resolved.
[01:42:33] <Susan>	 It may be open.
[01:46:53] <Susan>	 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14407
[01:46:55] <Susan>	 Nailed it.
[02:32:15] <legoktm>	 Hi, does echo break https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=userinfo&uiprop=hasmsg
[02:32:18] <legoktm>	 kaldari: ^
[02:32:35] <legoktm>	 I'm gonna poke through the code...
[02:32:45] <Writ_Keeper>	 if it worked, it'd be a good way to dispense messing with all of the cookie dickery my OBoD goes through now
[02:33:10] <Writ_Keeper>	 but testing the API query doesn't show any change in response between when I have an incoming message and when I don't
[02:33:18] <kaldari>	 legoktm: probably since the old notifications are no longer being generated for non-anonymous users
[02:33:31] <kaldari>	 I didn't even realize there was an API for that
[02:33:37] <Writ_Keeper>	 me neither!
[02:33:49] <kaldari>	 we should have Echo hook into it
[02:33:59] <Writ_Keeper>	 lego let me know about it just now, after a day of cookie-dickery, but it seems to not work
[02:34:02] <kaldari>	 I'll create a bug for it
[02:34:19] <legoktm>	 kaldari: that would be great. pwb and I'm assuming AWB depend upon it
[02:34:36] <kaldari>	 for what?
[02:35:11] <legoktm>	 to check if someone edited the talk page, and if so stop the bot
[02:35:52] <Writ_Keeper>	 is there a way to clear the flag through API, too? I guess if it changes to work from Echo now, it wouldn't get cleared by jsut visiting the talk page
[02:36:10] <Writ_Keeper>	 though I guess I could have it mark the notifications as read directly
[02:36:11] <kaldari>	 true
[02:36:31] <Writ_Keeper>	 I don't like doing that, though, since there might be non-talk-page notifications too
[02:36:33] <kaldari>	 yeah, there's an API for marking Echo notifications as read
[02:36:55] <legoktm>	 are there human written docs for that or just the autogenerated ones?
[02:37:07] <Writ_Keeper>	 jsut teh autogenerated ones that I've found
[02:37:09] <kaldari>	 right now, just the autogenerated ones
[02:38:56] <kaldari>	 bug filed: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47962
[02:43:04] <legoktm>	 ty
[02:44:54] <ori-l>	 legoktm: i think you can do better than wait for the bug to be addressed
[02:45:13] <ori-l>	 it's a good opportunity to show initiative and help disseminate information about how to migrate things that depend on the old api
[02:45:53] <ori-l>	 the echo api is quintessentially more powerful, so there's payoff from that
[02:46:00] <legoktm>	 err...right.
[02:46:11] <ori-l>	 brb
[02:46:17] <legoktm>	 I just don't have the time to dive into it right now
[08:32:52] <Nemo_bis>	 so what's the state of the sentiments for the orange bar abolition
[08:33:31] <ori-l>	 unreasonably heated and frustrating for all involved
[08:33:41] <ori-l>	 but i didn't even need to check the discussions to tell you that :)
[08:46:52] <Nemo_bis>	 ori-l: it actually seems less heated than I expected
[08:47:41] <Nemo_bis>	 after all, as of now one has no reliable way to contact another user quickly
[09:08:53] <Nemo_bis>	 Oh, it might be because all the useless rants go to the trashbin aka https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimbo_Wales#Sadly.2C_Wiki_is_now_officially_Facebook_With_Articles
[14:47:12] <Nemo_bis>	 uh? does echo also kill enotiftalk?
[14:47:31] <Nemo_bis>	 omg it does
[14:47:59] <Nemo_bis>	 aww I miss it so much
[16:49:39] <chro>	 is wikipedia down in europe?
[16:49:41] <chro>	 It seems so
[16:49:51] <Krenair>	 WFM
[16:50:03] <MatmaRex>	 WFM as well
[16:50:15] <chro>	 what?
[16:50:24] <Krenair>	 Works For Me
[16:50:35] <chro>	 Krenair, are you in Europe?
[16:50:40] <Krenair>	 Yes
[16:51:42] <MatmaRex>	 (me too)
[16:52:25] <chro>	 ok, so maybe something is wrong with my isp. Thanks
[16:54:06] <LeslieCarr>	 chro: can you give mea  traceroute ?
[16:54:24] <chro>	 1 sec
[16:56:21] <Alchimista>	 chro: wich version? pt and en works for me, and i'm in europe
[16:57:10] <chro>	 en
[17:09:23] <Krenair>	 Alchimista, language of the wiki shouldn't change things
[17:10:41] <Alchimista>	 Krenair: well, everything works here.. it could be a non server problem, mw problem or similar
[17:14:59] <DarTar>	 Special:Import on Meta has been down for an hour or so, I currently cannot import from enwiki
[17:15:36] <legoktm>	 DarTar: there's an open bug and a fix in gerrit
[17:16:44] <DarTar>	 legoktm: ok thanks
[18:34:20] <peteforsyth>	 Hey all, I have a basic Bugzilla question that's been bugging me (haha) for a long time--
[18:34:36] <peteforsyth>	 is there any way for me to find a list of all bugs I have asked to be emailed on/CC'd on?
[18:34:48] <Krenair>	 yes.
[18:34:57] <peteforsyth>	 more generally -- I have a hard time "watching" or following or tracking bugs I'm interested in,and would like to hear about any useful options.
[18:35:29] <peteforsyth>	 thanks Krenair 
[18:35:37] <Krenair>	 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/buglist.cgi?emailcc1=1&list_id=198914&emailtype1=exact&query_format=advanced&email1=krenair%40gmail.com
[18:36:26] <peteforsyth>	 great! I will save that search string!
[18:36:37] <Krenair>	 obviously you'll want to change the email
[18:37:44] <peteforsyth>	 yes, got that :)
[18:40:05] <Reedy>	 I've actually got a saved search for that, which automatically uses your email address
[18:40:08] <peteforsyth>	 hm. I am having trouble finding how to save the search…I know I've done this before, i have some (not so useful) saved searches.
[18:40:14] <peteforsyth>	 oh?
[18:40:22] <peteforsyth>	 Reedy: I will look for that in public saved searches?
[18:40:31] <Reedy>	 "My" CC'd Bugs
[18:40:40] * peteforsyth  is horrible at navigating bugzilla

[18:41:23] <Nemo_bis>	 not your fault!
[18:41:24] <peteforsyth>	 OK, got it Reedy -- thank you!!
[19:02:24] <kaldari>	 greg-g, Reedy: Just tried a sync-dir from fenari and am getting dozens of 'The authenticity of host 'mw28 (10.0.11.28)' can't be established.' errors.
[19:02:45] <Reedy>	 sounds like authori[sz]ed keys are broken again..
[19:02:53] <Reedy>	 mutante: ^^
[19:03:24] <kaldari>	 I guess I'll just have to type 'yes' a lot :)
[19:20:53] <Alchimista>	 with wgDeleteRevisionsLimit set to 5000 shouldn't be able to delet pages with 3136? on pt.wp, select count(*) from revision where rev_page = 1649355; -> 3136, but the page can't be delected -> http://pt.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Usu%C3%A1rio_Discuss%C3%A3o:EuTug
[19:21:06] <Alchimista>	 oops -> http://pt.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Usu%C3%A1rio_Discuss%C3%A3o:EuTuga
[19:34:17] <greg-g>	 kaldari: just pipe it to /usr/bin/yes
[19:34:22] <greg-g>	 ;)
[19:34:38] <jeremyb_>	 peteforsyth: there's also just sticking `ALL cc:foo@bar.com` in the bar at the top right of bugzilla
[19:35:05] <jeremyb_>	 which conveniently has the same keyboard shortcut as wikipedia: alt-shift-f (adjust as needed for your OS/browser)
[19:35:36] <peteforsyth>	 ah, handy tip. thanks!
[19:36:24] <peteforsyth>	 what does "ALL" refer to? I'm guessing it eliminates product-specific searches etc.?
[19:38:27] <jeremyb_>	 no
[19:38:44] <jeremyb_>	 peteforsyth: just remove the ALL and see how it describes the resultant search
[19:38:51] <jeremyb_>	 it's statuses not products
[19:38:59] <peteforsyth>	 aaah ok.
[19:39:18] <jeremyb_>	 (there's some info about the search being done above the results)
[19:39:41] <jeremyb_>	 also, if you want to do a more complicated search you can start with the box at the top and then hit edit
[19:39:50] <mutante>	 Reedy: it looks fixed to me (now)
[19:39:55] <jeremyb_>	 (the results page has an edit button)
[19:40:05] <mutante>	 it's readable for non-roots
[19:40:24] <kaldari>	 peteforsyth: did my replyto template work? It should have sent you a mention notification.
[19:40:27] <peteforsyth>	 yes…I see…very helpful!
[19:40:30] <kaldari>	 cool
[19:40:47] <kaldari>	 it's a bit of a pain to test :)
[19:40:48] <jeremyb_>	 peteforsyth: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/page.cgi?id=quicksearch.html http://www.squarefree.com/bugzilla/quicksearch-help.html
[19:40:59] <peteforsyth>	 kaldari: that was meant for jeremyb_ and mutante -- but, yes, I did see -- one sec, lemme round out the bz stuff first :)
[19:41:08] <kaldari>	 NP
[19:41:55] <jeremyb_>	 peteforsyth: one thing to be careful of is that doesn't cover everything you might get mail about. e.g. if you voted for a bug or were the reporter
[19:42:08] <greg-g>	 oh voting
[19:42:10] <peteforsyth>	 jeremyb_: this is really useful, is there a place I can find a link to it in the interface?
[19:42:24] <peteforsyth>	 ok
[19:43:01] <jeremyb_>	 peteforsyth: uhhhh, there's a link next to the other box on the front page that says [help]
[19:43:11] <jeremyb_>	 peteforsyth: in our installation it seems to actually work right
[19:43:35] <jeremyb_>	 peteforsyth: many bugzillas have 2 unrelated search boxes on the front page and the help link is next to the wrong box
[19:43:40] <peteforsyth>	 that goes to a different place
[19:43:54] <jeremyb_>	 elaborate?
[19:44:44] <greg-g>	 oh bugzilla
[19:45:13] <peteforsyth>	 "help" goes here: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/docs/en/html/query.html
[19:45:22] <peteforsyth>	 not unuseful, but…less useful
[19:45:50] <jeremyb_>	 peteforsyth: no, i just triple checked
[19:46:12] <peteforsyth>	 weird. You mean "help" in the lefthand nav?
[19:46:26] <peteforsyth>	 under "navigation"?
[19:46:30] <jeremyb_>	 no
[19:46:37] <jeremyb_>	 >     <p>Enter a bug # or some search terms:</p><input id="quicksearch" type="text" name="quicksearch"><input id="find" type="submit" value="Find"><a href="page.cgi?id=quicksearch.html">[Help]</a>
[19:46:52] <jeremyb_>	 it's literally displayed as [help] with the brackets
[19:46:59] <jeremyb_>	 just search for that
[19:47:09] <peteforsyth>	 oh I see, on the front page of bugzilla
[19:47:09] <jeremyb_>	 (well capital H)
[19:47:09] <jeremyb_>	 yes
[19:47:09] <peteforsyth>	 I found it. Thanks! 
[19:47:38] <peteforsyth>	 varry good. I will encounter less zarro boogs now.
[19:48:09] <jeremyb_>	 \o/ :)
[19:48:12] * greg-g  waves to peteforsyth 

[19:48:19] <peteforsyth>	 hi greg-g :)
[19:48:29] <greg-g>	 long time etc ;)
[19:48:30] <peteforsyth>	 working through our School of Open course today
[19:48:34] <greg-g>	 awesome
[19:48:34] <peteforsyth>	 indeed.
[19:48:59] <peteforsyth>	 we'll be starting a new cohort Tuesday evenings next week, for 6 wks. Any interest in joining??
[19:49:16] <greg-g>	 :) wish I could
[19:49:25] <jeremyb_>	 where?
[19:50:02] <peteforsyth>	 pages are a little under construction, but the main splash page/signup: https://p2pu.org/en/courses/49/writing-wikipedia-articles-the-basics-and-beyond/
[19:50:11] <greg-g>	 was just having the depressing realization that summertime means I get no free time. Rowan gets up at 6:30 and goes to sleep at 9ish, which leaves me about 30 minutes of "me time that's really doing dishes and the occasional bill"
[19:50:18] <peteforsyth>	 and the Wikipedia central page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_Program:Peer_to_Peer_University/Writing_Wikipedia_Articles_(2013_Q2)
[19:50:23] <jeremyb_>	 google for "school of open" gives me a knowledge panel (infobox) for """Open High School of Utah, West Jordan, UT 84088"""
[19:50:30] <greg-g>	 lol
[19:50:51] <peteforsyth>	 jeremyb_: hmm. perhaps we should attend to that :)
[19:51:05] <jeremyb_>	 peteforsyth: :)
[19:51:08] <peteforsyth>	 though the open high school of utah is an excellent (and not unaffiliated) thing…
[19:51:24] <jeremyb_>	 orly
[19:52:12] <greg-g>	 david wiley
[19:52:14] <greg-g>	 etc
[19:52:42] <peteforsyth>	 grr. google no longer gives me a "search generically" option…I get the "right" SOO link up top: https://p2pu.org/en/schools/school-of-open/
[19:53:19] <greg-g>	 duck it
[19:53:40] <greg-g>	 https://duckduckgo.com/?q=school+of+open
[19:53:40] <peteforsyth>	 no knowledge panel thingum
[19:53:47] <greg-g>	 knowledge panel?
[19:54:14] <peteforsyth>	 sweet!
[19:54:31] <peteforsyth>	 I assume "knowledge panel" refers to the box o' info on the right hand side of a google search
[19:54:37] <peteforsyth>	 that typically pulls from Wikipedia
[19:54:53] <greg-g>	 oh
[19:55:04] * greg-g  doesn't use google search much anymore

[19:55:28] <peteforsyth>	 interesting
[19:55:34] <peteforsyth>	 duckduckgo is your go-to?
[19:56:25] <peteforsyth>	 kaldari: sorry to duck-duck your question
[19:57:23] <peteforsyth>	 I did get notified, which was cool.
[19:57:30] <jeremyb_>	 peteforsyth: i just have personalized disabled entirely in prefs
[19:58:14] <peteforsyth>	 I'm having a hard time understanding the overall vision/structure of Echo, I think the noise-to-signal ratio resulting from the implementation has me a little befuddled
[19:59:33] <peteforsyth>	 d'oh
[20:02:18] <greg-g>	 peteforsyth: yeah, it's the default search engine in my Fx's search box.
[20:02:31] <peteforsyth>	 cool i will look into it
[20:09:18] <greg-g>	 gwicke: hey, what's with the snow men in VisualEditor?
[20:10:00] <gwicke>	 greg-g: I'm no VE expert, but afaik they are using the snowman char as a kind of placeholder internally
[20:10:11] <greg-g>	 huh, ok
[20:10:18] <gwicke>	 if you see it, then there is probably a bug
[20:10:53] <greg-g>	 fiinnne, I'll try and search bugzilla for it
[20:11:18] <gwicke>	 greg-g: #mediawiki-visualeditor might be more helpful
[20:11:23] <greg-g>	 :)
[20:11:34] <greg-g>	 YAWMFIC
[20:11:36] <Reedy>	 "snowmen appearing in may"
[20:11:44] <greg-g>	 Yet Another WMF IRC Channel
[20:12:01] <gwicke>	 ;)
[20:12:39] <gwicke>	 if IRC had some kind of conversation tagging capability there would be less incentive to create new low-noise channels
[20:13:42] <jeremyb_>	 greg-g: you should discuss YAWMFIC with nikerabbit
[20:16:46] <Nemo_bis>	 speaking of which, can we kill #mediawiki-feed now that #wikimedia-dev was chosen
[20:20:22] <Nemo_bis>	 I don't understand, is this English only? https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Change_to_section_edit_links
[20:20:32] <Nemo_bis>	 Wasn't it deployed also outside en.wiki?
[20:21:36] <MatmaRex>	 Nemo_bis: apparently nobody made it translateable :(
[20:26:06] <Nemo_bis>	 MatmaRex: everyone can mark it for translation :)
[20:26:27] <Nemo_bis>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:Translate/Page_translation_example
[20:26:34] <Nemo_bis>	 I can press the last button :p
[20:27:10] <giftpflanze>	 when i log into irc.wikimedia.org with 1 nick it is ok, when connecting with two users i get rejected with the second one, but only when coming from tools/labs
[20:28:29] <MatmaRex>	 Nemo_bis: according to https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:ListGroupRights only "Translation administrators" can do that.
[20:28:56] <MatmaRex>	 (you happen to be one)
[20:40:50] <waldir>	 Hi. I need some help, I seem unable to access any website in the wikimedia servers. It was working until a few minutes ago, then it started giving me connection time out errors. I've tried loading every one of the 25 top sites from http://www.alexa.com/topsites and only wikipedia fails. I've tried different borwsers, operating systems, and computers in the same network, to no avail. In my mobile phone's data plan, it works tho
[20:41:17] <waldir>	 Even curl and wget time out. They seem to try and fail both the IPV4 and IPV6 addresses
[20:43:43] <greg-g>	 waldir: could you provide a traceroute, please?
[20:43:58] <waldir>	 greg-g: sure
[20:44:38] <greg-g>	 pastebin somewhere, plz :-)
[20:45:47] <Nemo_bis>	 lucene doesn't behave on en.wiki
[20:46:15] <Nemo_bis>	 MatmaRex: not true, anyone can tag it for translation, as I said I only need to press the last button ensuring there are no mistakes :)
[20:46:21] <Nemo_bis>	 (you don't trust me? :o)
[20:47:06] <waldir>	 greg-g: while it runs, I seem to have been able to load https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Home but without any css / js (and the tab browser still shows the "loading" spinner)
[20:47:33] <waldir>	 *browser tab
[20:47:54] <greg-g>	 waldir: yeah, could be a DNS issue, those parts are loaded from bits.wikimedia.org
[20:49:25] <waldir>	 greg-g: http://pastebin.com/Lu471Brq
[20:49:50] <MatmaRex>	 Nemo_bis: no, i just have absolutely no idea how this works, and i'm not active on meta unless i have to be :)
[20:50:11] <Nemo_bis>	 :p
[20:50:26] <Nemo_bis>	 didn't say it must be you ;)
[20:51:33] <greg-g>	 LeslieCarr: ^^ waldir is having connectivity issues to WMF servers, see pastebin of traceroute: http://pastebin.com/Lu471Brq
[20:52:13] <waldir>	 greg-g, LeslieCarr -- it started a few minutes ago, and yesterday it happened as well, possibly around the same time
[20:53:57] <LeslieCarr>	 gah, this is all tele2 to cogent to geant
[20:54:06] <greg-g>	 waldir: my guess is that it isn't a WMF problem, but instead a ....
[20:54:11] <greg-g>	 oh, there's LeslieCarr 
[20:54:16] <LeslieCarr>	 waldir: #1 please talk to your ISP, 
[20:54:18] <LeslieCarr>	 yeah i got pinged
[20:54:22] <LeslieCarr>	 and am like "gah, site dying"
[20:54:54] <greg-g>	 LeslieCarr: sorry, site just dying for one person ;)
[20:55:13] <LeslieCarr>	 well no, this is the third person i've heard this issue with
[20:55:21] <LeslieCarr>	 waldir: also are you using ipv6 by any chnce 
[20:56:13] <waldir>	 LeslieCarr: I'll try to figure out, I'm using windows atm and am not used to it anymore
[20:57:05] <waldir>	 LeslieCarr: in the connection properties window, both the IPV4 and IPV6 checkboxes are enabled
[20:57:48] <waldir>	 but ipv4 is configured with specific ip and dns addresses
[20:58:01] <LeslieCarr>	 i honestly don't know windows either ;)
[20:58:09] <waldir>	 while ipv6 is set to "obtain automatically"
[20:58:10] <greg-g>	 check boxes can be deceiving
[20:58:13] <LeslieCarr>	 ipconfig i think is the ifconfig equivalent ?
[21:00:13] <waldir>	 http://pastebin.com/nYTcGmJ2
[21:00:17] <waldir>	 (ipconfig)
[21:07:33] <waldir>	 LeslieCarr: I disabled ipv6 but the problems are still present. It seems like I can't load anything from bits.wikimedia.org or upload.wikimedia.org
[21:07:33] <LeslieCarr>	 ok so looks like it's definitely ipv4
[21:10:40] <LeslieCarr>	 i switched some routing - still no luck ?
[21:12:46] <LeslieCarr>	 hrm, i think not, let me do some more drastic routing change
[21:12:58] <LeslieCarr>	 if that doesn't work, the only help will be from your isp's side 
[21:13:00] <LeslieCarr>	 lesse
[21:16:01] <LeslieCarr>	 greg-g: when waldir comes back online (if) can you have him check this out again ? 
[21:16:04] <LeslieCarr>	 should hopefully be working
[21:16:30] <greg-g>	 LeslieCarr: will do, thanks for (hopefully) fixing
[21:16:33] <greg-g>	 ohai
[21:16:38] <greg-g>	 waldir: does it work now?
[21:16:54] <waldir>	 yep. sorry, my connection went down
[21:16:55] <LeslieCarr>	 i did the hitting the route with a hammer
[21:17:21] <LeslieCarr>	 if you can call up your isp and tell them that they are having an issue from their upstream GEANT to cogent that would be appreciated
[21:17:30] <waldir>	 I'm in the university and the internet goes down for a few minutes, but the wikipedia-only issue had never happened until yesterday
[21:17:42] <waldir>	 *sometimes the internet goes down for a few minutes
[21:19:50] <waldir>	 I'll inform the tech department of this and tell them what you said
[21:19:56] <greg-g>	 thanks waldir 
[21:20:10] <waldir>	 thank you guys for the assistance :)
[21:20:38] <LeslieCarr>	 thank you waldir
[21:53:25] <legoktm>	 is importing still broken?
[21:53:47] <legoktm>	 oh good, its not :D
[22:14:26] <Nemo_bis>	 legoktm: {{cn}}
[22:14:42] <Nemo_bis>	 lucene still not behaving
[22:14:55] <legoktm>	 what does that have to do with imports?
[22:14:56] <legoktm>	  21:53, 2 May 2013 Legoktm (talk | contribs | block) transwikied Tinc (16 revisions from en:Tinc) 
[22:15:03] <legoktm>	  21:54, 2 May 2013 Legoktm (talk | contribs | block) transwikied Template:Tinc (20 revisions from en:Template:Tinc) 
[22:15:09] <legoktm>	 First one was a fail.
[22:15:33] <Nemo_bis>	 have you already deleted it?
[22:16:35] <Nemo_bis>	 importing history is useless btw
[22:17:03] <Nemo_bis>	 pf, different title so no testing of timestamp duplicates
[22:17:04] <legoktm>	 I deleted [[Tinc]], but I wanted [[Template:Tinc]]
[23:32:16] <Susan>	 TimStarling: So people are using pretty awful and hacky workarounds to accommodate for Scribunto's lack of API access.
[23:32:36] <Susan>	 Parsing {{Special:PrefixIndex/}} for example.
[23:33:00] <Susan>	 Category membership, transclusions, subpages, etc. should have native methods, I think.