[00:00:42] <DaBPunkt>	 gn8 folks
[00:26:23] <Susan>	 Nemo_bis: New WP favicon?
[00:27:01] <Jasper_Deng>	 Susan: yes
[00:27:08] <Jasper_Deng>	 idk the details but I overheard that yesterday
[00:27:22] <Susan>	 On en.wiki?
[00:27:48] <Jasper_Deng>	 yes
[00:30:10] <Betacommand>	 Jasper_Deng: IPv6 on the toolserver was disabled due to a recent toolserver maintenance disaster 
[00:30:44] <Jasper_Deng>	 Betacommand: well, it wasn't /totally/ disabled, bots running from it on-wiki and some tools use IPv6
[00:31:07] <Jasper_Deng>	 for example, when a WHOIS tool was banned by the WHOIS provider, it mentioned that the IPv6 address was banned
[00:31:19] <Betacommand>	 Jasper_Deng: odd
[00:31:40] <Jasper_Deng>	 Today, a simplewiki bot edited logged-out, and it was from a TS IPv6
[00:32:57] <Betacommand>	 Jasper_Deng: I thought nosy had set ipv4 only. During the recent server IP re-allocation process things got harry
[00:34:08] <Jasper_Deng>	 Betacommand: idk.... http://simple.wikipedia.org/?diff=4362658&oldid=2132444
[01:17:30] <Susan>	 Jasper_Deng: I haven't heard anything other than Nemo's comment.
[01:17:33] <Susan>	 About a favicon.
[01:21:19] <legoktm>	 Susan: You can blame Isarra ;)
[01:23:12] <Susan>	 Hmm.
[01:23:21] <Susan>	 I thought she was just updating it.
[01:23:26] <Susan>	 Did she change it more dramatically?
[01:41:56] <Isarra>	 Is it dramatic?
[01:42:09] * Isarra  belches.

[02:10:53] <WikiJunkie>	 what file should the admin change on a wiki in order for the TOC to not be floating for ALL users whom would access any page on that wiki  ?
[02:10:57] <WikiJunkie>	 is it global.css ?
[02:12:32] <Jasper_Deng>	 Common.css
[02:12:39] * Jasper_Deng  doesn't know what you'd add though

[03:38:17] <legoktm>	 [75e99b7b] 2013-04-13 03:37:21: Fatal exception of type MWException
[03:38:21] * legoktm  pokes Reedy 

[03:38:25] <legoktm>	 (on wikidata)
[03:41:13] <Jasper_Deng>	 legoktm: don't you think you should give more details?
[03:41:48] <p858snake|l>	 Jasper_Deng: he is asking Reedy to look it up in the log, to see what caused it...
[03:41:54] <legoktm>	 yeah....
[03:43:57] <Susan>	 "MediaWiki exception" is my nickname.
[03:44:53] <p858snake|l>	 Susan: that isn't your only nickname ;)
[03:49:02] <Susan>	 I'm the sassmaster.
[03:53:51] <snitch>	 [[Tech]]; Rickyrab; /* Background color (differentiate between article namespace and other namespaces) */; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=5390152&oldid=5386750&rcid=4067694
[03:54:26] <snitch>	 [[Tech]]; Rickyrab; /* Beige background color, Vector skin */; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=5390153&oldid=5390152&rcid=4067696
[04:19:41] <snitch>	 [[Tech]]; MZMcBride; /* Removing tabs */ +reply; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=5390160&oldid=5390153&rcid=4067706
[04:27:11] <snitch>	 [[Tech]]; MZMcBride; /* Beige background color, Vector skin */ +reply; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=5390162&oldid=5390160&rcid=4067708
[04:29:01] <snitch>	 [[Tech]]; MZMcBride; /* Move sidebar links to bottom (similar to MySkin) */ +reply; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=5390165&oldid=5390162&rcid=4067711
[04:30:08] <Dispenser>	 Is image.img_name varchar or varbinary as is now on the Toolserver?
[04:33:41] <snitch>	 [[Tech]]; MZMcBride; /* Removing tabs */ better; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=5390169&oldid=5390165&rcid=4067715
[04:42:33] <Dispenser>	 Could someone give me the DESCRIBE image; from the cluster?
[04:45:35] <Susan>	 Krinkle, maybe.
[04:45:42] <Susan>	 Otherwise, ask Reedy when he's around/alive.
[04:45:47] <Susan>	 Or DaB.
[04:45:52] <Krinkle>	 Dispenser: On it
[04:46:09] <Susan>	 show create table image; should also be useful.
[04:46:53] * Susan  NP: "Magic" by B.o.B from "B.o.B Presents: The Adventures Of Bobby Ray"

[04:47:29] <Dispenser>	 Haven't seen the create table trick before
[04:48:32] <Krinkle>	 ugh, sql script returns as PHP object
[04:48:56] <Krinkle>	 https://gist.github.com/anonymous/26009f3438e3028eb476
[04:48:58] <Dispenser>	 just tell me if img_name is VARCHAR or VARBINARY on the clusters
[04:49:11] <Susan>	 img_name is varbinary(255).
[04:49:15] <Krinkle>	 varbinary(255)
[04:49:25] <Krinkle>	 I'll check two other wikis
[04:49:30] <Dispenser>	 Why's the documentation lagging?
[04:49:39] <Susan>	 You're not using the mysql console?
[04:49:54] <Krinkle>	 Susan: db hosts change from time to time.
[04:50:02] <Dispenser>	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/gitweb?p=mediawiki/core.git;a=blob;f=maintenance/tables.sql;hb=HEAD
[04:50:03] <Dispenser>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Image_table#Versions
[04:50:07] <Krinkle>	 and I don't want to hook into a master, and there are lots of slaves.
[04:50:27] <Krinkle>	 varbinary(255)  for img_name on aawiki and enwiki
[04:50:38] <Susan>	 As I recall, there was some funkiness between MySQL 4 and 5 re: img_name.
[04:50:50] <Susan>	 Because MySQL 5 doesn't support ... something.
[04:50:52] <Susan>	 I don't remember.
[04:51:04] <Krinkle>	 https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-core/blob/master/maintenance/tables.sql#L797-801
[04:51:10] <Krinkle>	 It is varbinary in master as well
[04:51:31] <Krinkle>	 Dispenser: Why did you suspect it wouldn't be up to date on the cluster?
[04:51:40] <Krinkle>	 Some updates we ignore but usually not.
[04:51:56] <Susan>	 It's important that it match page.page_title.
[04:53:15] <Dispenser>	 I wanted to rule out an idiot requesting a TS change to fix a bug
[04:54:35] <Susan>	 A transexual change.
[04:55:13] <Susan>	 Hmm, two S's.
[04:56:12] <Dispenser>	 Krinkle: Would you mind posting the describe on [[mw:Image table#Versions]]
[04:56:39] <Krinkle>	 No, I will not. I'll instead execute it on my localhost with a fresh install of MediaWiki and post that
[04:56:54] <Krinkle>	 cluster is not typical mediawiki state.
[04:57:40] <Dispenser>	 Well the tables.sql hasn't been updated so that might be a problem
[04:57:41] <Susan>	 mediawiki-vagrant!
[04:58:25] <Krinkle>	 Dispenser: What do you mean?
[04:59:47] <Krinkle>	 done, https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Image_table#Versions
[05:00:25] <Dispenser>	 thanks
[05:22:15] <Krinkle>	 Dispenser: Hm.. I see what you mean
[05:22:29] <Krinkle>	 Dispenser: It is varbinary on cluster, but varchar in tables.sql
[05:22:41] <Krinkle>	 I thought it was the same
[05:22:57] <Dispenser>	 hence my wondering
[05:23:07] <Krinkle>	 But on my localhost it is also varbinary
[05:23:47] <Krinkle>	 I didn't make any manual changes
[05:24:04] <p858snake|l>	 i bet it was all domas's doing >.>
[05:24:30] <Dispenser>	 Conversion script?
[05:25:01] <Krinkle>	 let me do a clean install
[05:25:07] <Krinkle>	 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5978484/what-is-the-advantage-of-using-varbinary-over-varchar-here
[05:25:13] <Krinkle>	 that one links to an svn revision in mediawiki
[05:25:16] <Krinkle>	 however that one has been reverted
[05:25:34] <Krinkle>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/80547
[05:25:56] <Dispenser>	 It doesn't do crap with trailing whitespace
[05:29:24] <Dispenser>	 varchar strips whitespace (per spec(!)), slower comparisons (varchar defaults to case-insensitive), and lots of confusion with latin1 and utf8 (an issue with python's oursql)
[05:29:49] <Krinkle>	 Dispenser: Fresh install on mysql 3.5.7, I get varchar(255) for image
[05:30:00] <Krinkle>	 Now I'll run update.php (shouldn't do anything since the wiki is empty)
[05:30:44] <Krinkle>	 Yep, still varchar.
[05:33:08] <Krinkle>	 I created the db manually with table.sql
[05:33:11] <Krinkle>	 lets try install.php
[05:39:12] <Krinkle>	 Dispenser: That's it
[05:39:31] <Krinkle>	 Dispenser: If the default collation of the database is binary then those columns will become varbinary
[05:39:42] <Krinkle>	 Either done by mediawiki or my mysql on install
[05:39:53] <Krinkle>	 (as opposed to latin1 or utf-8)
[05:41:25] <Krinkle>	 narrowed down to mysql
[05:41:25] <Dispenser>	 So is that something we'll have to write a test for?
[05:41:59] <Krinkle>	 creating table with field type varchar is turned into varbinary my MySQL (version 5.6.10)
[05:42:05] <Krinkle>	 by*
[05:42:09] <Krinkle>	 not done by mediawiki
[05:42:19] <Krinkle>	 Tried manually with mysql
[21:08:38] * Nemo_bis  awards Susan a barnstar for "Some mixture of comment 10, comment 11, comment 12, comment 15, and comment 16,

[21:08:38] <Nemo_bis>	 I guess."
[21:09:48] <Susan>	 :-)
[21:11:52] <YuviPanda>	 where?
[21:12:29] <snitch>	 [[Tech]]; DragonflySixtyseven; /* Classic skin and CSS */ new section; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=5392651&oldid=5390169&rcid=4070422
[21:13:01] <snitch>	 [[Tech]]; DragonflySixtyseven; fix; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=5392652&oldid=5392651&rcid=4070423
[21:16:53] <Qcoder00>	 Hah
[21:16:58] <Qcoder00>	 Slight technical hitch
[21:17:37] <Dragonfly6-7>	 http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tech#Classic_skin_and_CSS           can anyone help make vector usable
[21:19:18] <snitch>	 [[Tech]]; DragonflySixtyseven; /* Classic skin and CSS */; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=5392657&oldid=5392652&rcid=4070428
[21:24:03] <Qcoder00>	 Hmm
[21:24:08] <Qcoder00>	 I'm annoyed at something
[21:24:34] <Qcoder00>	 At English Wikipedia I have an alternate to ShakespeareFan00 - which is Sfan00-IMG
[21:24:55] <Qcoder00>	 Sfan00-Img is currently blocked on English Wikisource owing to mutlipleaccount confusion 
[21:25:08] <Qcoder00>	 At English Wikipedia I switch from Sfan00_IMG to ShakespeareFan00
[21:25:19] <Qcoder00>	 And then transfer over to Wikisource...
[21:25:26] <Qcoder00>	 intending to use the main-account
[21:25:47] <Qcoder00>	 At which point the main account gets an IP-block because it's been used by the same IP as a blocked account
[21:26:24] <Qcoder00>	 Considering that I was changing back to an account which was agreed to be the main account with Wikisource admins, I'm puzzled.
[21:26:36] <ori-l>	 'and one man in his time plays many parts'
[21:26:53] <ori-l>	 I think explaining this to admins is probably the fastest way to get that resolved
[21:27:23] <Qcoder00>	 I've already sent the IP-block noitce to the admin that blocked Sfan00_IMG at English Wikisource..
[21:27:54] <Qcoder00>	 The software is working as designed...
[21:28:08] <ori-l>	 the software was designed? :)
[21:28:41] <Qcoder00>	 but it's annoying to get an IP-block (which also disables talk page access) when you'd switched accounts precisely because the alternate wasn't in use.
[21:29:10] <Qcoder00>	 (and had been agreed as not being in use with admin that blocked the alternate and set the auto-block)
[21:30:16] <Qcoder00>	 It's not a problem
[21:30:26] <Dragonfly6-7>	 http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tech#Classic_skin_and_CSS           can anyone help make vector usable
[21:30:36] <Qcoder00>	 as such...
[21:30:54] <Qcoder00>	 But it's annoying that I got an IP-block because I WAS playing by the rules..
[21:32:43] <Dragonfly6-7>	 just speak to a wikiquote admin
[21:32:47] <Dragonfly6-7>	 er, wikisource
[21:33:26] <Qcoder00>	 There are none around at the moment
[21:33:32] <Qcoder00>	 I pinged them in #wikisource
[21:34:13] <Qcoder00>	 I also sent an e-mail to the blockign admin, but it hasn't come through the system, because I can't see a copy in my inbox
[21:35:11] <Qcoder00>	 It's unfair that I get an IP-block because I switched accounts to the unblocked one that I'd agreed was the main account
[21:35:48] <Qcoder00>	 but the software is working as designed...
[21:35:58] <Qcoder00>	 (Given that vandals do IP hop)