[00:16:01] !log payments cluster updated from 22943dc28 to d3954768e4dd [00:16:07] Logged the message, Master [00:41:10] gn8 folks [02:20:56] Request: GET http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Adminstats/X!&action=edit, from 10.64.0.130 via cp1015.eqiad.wmnet (squid/2.7.STABLE9) to () [02:20:56] Error: ERR_CANNOT_FORWARD, errno (11) Resource temporarily unavailable at Tue, 09 Apr 2013 02:20:42 GMT [02:21:21] Please join #wikimedia-operations [02:21:26] @ legoktm [02:21:31] I'm already in it :) [03:03:55] So I wrote a Lua module or two today. [03:04:04] I find the invoke syntax a little awkward. [03:04:08] And it took me a while to get a hang of the debug console. [03:04:50] {{#invoke:module|function}} is awkward. [03:04:58] So I start using generic nouns as function names. [03:05:10] Which then feels weird. [03:05:48] {{#invoke:listify|input|...}} [03:05:55] {{#invoke:count|targets|...}} [03:06:03] It felt strange. [03:07:38] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module:Listify [10:00:36] hi, what's the normal way to request a manual password reset? [10:00:41] I mean changePassword.php [10:03:15] liangent: pray on this channel [10:04:42] liangent: can't you self recover it using the wiki reset password function? [10:04:51] liangent: if it's for Bencmq unattached account it's better to use rename [10:06:01] (I just told him) [10:06:32] Nemo_bis: it's for bencmq, and also as a generic question [10:07:03] it's not a lost account, so don't bother shell users [10:07:09] this is the answer I'd say :) [10:07:16] Nemo_bis: yeah it's a lost one [10:07:37] no it's not [10:08:08] usually unattached local accounts are so since creation, it's enough to rename them to another username locally and then recreate [10:08:29] Nemo_bis: which one are you talking about? [10:08:37] Zhengchangren-bot or Park1996? [10:08:42] Bencmq [10:09:17] I mean ... which account did bencmq ask you about [10:09:49] no username specifically [10:10:14] the former has only one local account with no edits [10:10:47] lunch time, will be back later on [10:10:55] Nemo_bis: if it was talked about more than one hour ago it's not the one I want to mention [10:12:59] Bencmq> someone gets his password, set both password and email away, so he can't use ResetPassword [10:13:06] now I understand ^^ [10:14:04] it's useful to start from the beginning rather than the end, I made same mistake :) [10:17:32] Nemo_bis: which is the channel where you're talking with bencmq? [10:17:40] #wikimedia-stewards [10:17:56] ah "no public logging" [10:18:29] are people afraid of this channel? [10:18:48] he's a steward so he uses that one :) [10:19:10] obviously this is above what stewards can do with their rights... [10:19:31] not so obviously, in the past they were able to fix such stuff [10:20:00] for some definition of "fix" [10:21:04] ANYWAY, https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Password_reset [10:29:31] Nemo_bis: which cases can they fix by themselves? [10:31:24] liangent: I said in the past ^^ [10:31:48] now they can only fix automatically created unattached accounts (like all crats) [10:31:49] in the past stewards have shell access? [10:31:55] sigh [10:32:13] they were able to merge or unmerge local accounts to global accounts with no limits, IIRC [10:36:31] I guess that's still not helpful in today's case... [10:53:04] i need help [10:53:48] anybody can ? [10:54:53] hello [10:55:35] anybody there ? [12:34:22] [[Tech]]; Patrick; /* Showing View history */; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=5378578&oldid=5377312&rcid=4055182 [12:51:18] anyone has a link to the profile info of the wmf projects? [13:30:53] Denny_WMDE1: you mean perf profiling? [13:31:42] jeremyb_: yep [13:32:00] i think you probably want to look at graphite [13:32:14] you're using wfProfilein (sp?), etc.? [13:34:01] Denny_WMDE1: ? [13:35:21] yep [13:35:51] I want to see the effect of an extension on the WMF servers [13:36:00] it has profilein/out calls [13:36:05] great [13:43:30] chat with binasher when you see him around [13:43:37] his availability this week is limited though [13:46:52] Nemo_bis: os there any link on gerrit or bugzilla to the comunity consensus about removing the captcha on pt.wp? [13:47:29] Alchimista: the wiki was notified months ago that we were awaiting for consensus in favor of the emergency captcha [13:47:43] no such consensus has ever been provided, so I assume it doesn't exist [13:47:50] yah, but never decided for opt out the captcha [13:48:01] it's not an opt out [13:48:11] it's just restoring the normal captcha after a test, according to consensus [13:48:32] permanency of the test was never request nor discussed and never had consensus [13:48:40] let me check the local discussions ;) [13:48:53] I may be wrong but nobody ever showed consensus for it. I read the big discussion of some months ago and I didn't find it [13:49:06] I'm basing this on the recent discussions of course [13:50:16] ok, so the situation is, as never where a consensus to enable it permanently, so now, in order to keep the emergency mode, there would need to be a consensus? [13:51:18] yes [13:51:33] it was just a mistake, the community asked a brief test but it was forgotten to end it [13:51:59] nowadays temporary configs are written with explicit expiry (e.g. account creation rates for workshops) to avoid forgetting [13:52:59] Ah, ok, that's a diferent situation, now it makes perfectly sense to me [13:54:15] :) [13:55:42] it will provably increase some vandalisms, and mostly the feeling of increase, [13:56:00] must go off for some minutes.. [13:56:04] Wikipedia is slow again. [13:56:06] [13:56:09] Maybe. But vandals usually are very good at captchas [13:56:18] Cyberpower678: again abuselog? [13:56:22] Yes. [14:13:50] Nemo_bis, [14:14:14] Cyberpower678: URL? [14:14:29] sounds like maybe Nemo_bis knows what you're talking about [14:14:34] but the rest of us don't i guess [14:14:51] Special:AbuseFilterLogs [14:14:55] or whatever the name [14:15:29] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:AbuseLog [14:15:29] jeremyb_, Every abuse filter I call up. I cannot provide a link per the privacy policy. [14:15:45] details? examine? [14:15:59] jeremyb_, huh? [14:16:25] Cyberpower678: the page i linked loads fine for me. then each line has a details link and an examine link [14:16:29] what's slow? [14:16:31] Nemo_bis: i've commented on the local discussion, i guess you understand Portuguese :P [14:16:55] The entire load is slow. [14:17:40] Alchimista: Spanish is easier but yes, an Italian can usually read Portogues or French and get something out of it .) [14:17:40] For example: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:AbuseLog&wpSearchUser=xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx takes to load. [14:17:42] * :) [14:17:54] jeremyb_, ^ [14:17:59] yah, and the inverse too :P [14:18:22] yep [14:18:34] the first iberocoop meeting at Wikimania 2010 was fun [14:18:46] jeremyb_, ? [14:18:56] Cyberpower678: trying... [14:19:00] ohhhh [14:19:07] yeah [14:19:09] its slow for me too [14:19:15] i bet this is because of IPv6 support [14:19:20] i got the same thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:AbuseLog?wpSearchUser=216.124.227.188&wpSearchFilter=&wpSearchTitle= [14:19:28] i can't imagine why that's a privacy policy issue [14:19:43] ACC information and rules restrict me. [14:19:46] [14:19:47] (35 secs) [14:20:01] Cyberpower678: huh? [14:20:03] Cyberpower678: just pick another IP [14:20:08] legoktm++ [14:20:10] * legoktm goes to file a bug [14:20:36] legoktm: CC me and binasher please [14:20:44] ok [14:20:46] i think it's hoo's fault :P [14:21:16] loading. [14:21:29] legoktm, I'm dumb [14:22:33] Nemo_bis, jeremyb_, and legoktm: Ok. when I load https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:AbuseLog?wpSearchUser=68.81.128.185+&wpSearchFilter=&wpSearchTitle= which is my IP. [14:23:16] * legoktm is betting its https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/55826/ [14:23:54] Kind of makes evaluating requests at ACC a bit of a pain. [14:24:15] hah [14:24:21] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47045 [14:25:13] will whe slow special page just be removed now? [14:25:22] [14:25:25] lol :P [14:26:43] So what's causing the problem? [14:27:06] * jeremyb_ has to assume full table scan [14:27:23] the timing is too consistent [14:27:25] probably [14:34:18] Nemo_bis: i'm watching at the discussion where was aprouved the captcha activation, and there werent' decided for any duration time, i think the best option is to whait for a consensus to desactivate it [14:36:01] in fact, those who voted at that time, voted for the activation, it was activated for an indefenided time [14:39:14] Alchimista: i don't know what that means [14:39:31] i.e. please rephrase [14:40:16] jeremyb_: when the captcha got activated on pt.wp, local comunity aprouved it, for indeterminated time [14:41:17] 11 people voted, nowone against [14:42:00] ok [14:42:43] hahaha, your URL is quite mangled! [14:42:53] ^demon: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58081 [14:43:25] wtf, what happened to the url? [14:43:35] <^demon> It matched \b[0-9]{8}\b [14:43:57] <^demon> Which is a subset of \b[0-9a-f]{8}\b [14:44:00] <^demon> shortened sha1. [14:45:48] there should be the possibility to use wikilinks on gerrit :P [14:46:42] hoo broke the abuse filter. [14:46:59] :) [14:48:06] Alchimista: it's called "emergency captcha" :/ [14:48:21] 11 is very few [14:49:07] Nemo_bis: the problem is that if ops remove it without local consensus, people won't understand it, they're already feeling that someone is imposing it to local comunity [14:50:05] only because i've explained locally what you've told me, check the answer i got? I'm kind of evil friend now :P [14:50:19] heh [14:52:14] captcha solves much of local vandalism problems, so provably the best option, is first try to show wich alternatives there are [14:52:34] many alternatives have been shown [14:52:54] and it's not true that captcha solve vandalism, scientific research has proved it doesn't work [14:53:38] is there any other option in development stage? [14:53:45] when the emergency captcha was enabled you didn't even have abuse filter [14:53:53] development? it's all ready [14:54:07] abusefilter, ratelimits, client tools [14:54:36] and there isn't any proof whatsoever that captcha is reducing spam [14:54:43] Nemo_bis: if someone propouses now or in the next days to get captcha down, people will vote against. it's a psicological factor [14:55:02] then let's see this consensus :) [14:55:11] we've not yet seen it [14:55:28] but if you show up and tell, hey, we have a new tecnology that seems to be much better, hi-tech, but we need a place to test it.. [14:55:36] people would provably aprouve it :P [14:55:57] and then shut down captcha [14:56:23] hoo: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47045 [14:56:24] you already have it all [14:57:13] but it's psicological. captcha gives a feeling of security, doesn't mean ut really is the best option, simply the comunity feels that way [14:57:23] yes, it's just a feeling [14:57:34] legoktm: I know... I'm currently thinking what makes it go psycho :P [14:57:39] and the problem is that tec discussions take too many time [14:57:43] :P [14:57:44] so first we remove it (there is no consensus for it anyway), then nobody will see any bad effect [14:57:52] Sadly I don't have real life data, as I'm don't have access to the real DBs [14:57:56] i took about 6 months to get aprouved a new bot policy [14:57:58] do you think its because of your IPv6 patch? [14:58:06] legoktm: Probably [14:58:22] Alchimista: or at most you'll have to set up a new abuse filter; very worst case, some special ratelimits [14:58:27] Nemo_bis: there is consensus :P In the consensus it was decided without defined term [14:58:34] It's maybe selecting the wrong index (FORCE INDEX would fix that) or maybe the index isn't even there on wmf wikis [14:58:42] http://xgermanamateur.blogspot.com/2013/04/taylor-rain-hottest-anal-slut-in-world.html [14:58:48] Alchimista: yes, that's why and old consensus among very few people for an emergency passed 5 years ago can't be held valid [14:59:05] [reply to Alchimista> i took about 6 months to get aprouved a new bot policy] [14:59:38] you can try to explain that, but it would provably create a lot more of entropy [14:59:57] Stupid Abuse Filter [15:00:15] Cyberpower678: We're fighting with inconsistent data [15:00:15] if vandalism increase, devs and ops will be the wp enemy [15:00:19] Alchimista: "foi decidido activar temporariamente" [15:00:37] and I don't have the required access to verify my thoughts [15:00:44] note how it was first done, then voted upon [15:00:51] Nemo_bis: that's because it was activated before that discussion, the temporary part was precisely that [15:01:16] hoo, stop breaking everything. :p [15:01:19] Nemo_bis: final sentence: O sistema foi activado há poucos minutos. Penso que está agora nas mãos da comunidade decidir durante quanto tempo este sistema é mantido. [15:01:45] Cyberpower678: I didn't write it, I only maintain it (and it's :/ ) [15:02:23] * legoktm huggles hoo [15:02:37] hoo, I'll make my own faces thankyou. :D [15:02:41] Alchimista: what does this mean then? "Eu diria mais. Não sei.", "Experimentei e gostei!"? [15:03:04] Nemo_bis: something like "I couldn't say more, i've tryed and liked it" [15:03:55] Nemo_bis: hold on, it's two sentences.. [15:04:41] Nemo_bis: Eu diria mais. Não sei. -> " I would say more" | "Experimentei e gostei!" -> i've tryed and liked it [15:05:04] so nothing about making it permanent [15:05:26] Que seja infinito. -> let it be permanent [15:05:52] Indefinido até que se resolva o contrário! -> indefenided until contrary decision [15:06:21] Esse sistema tem que permanecer para sempre! -> This system must remain forever! [15:06:40] it's not the majority of comments [15:08:30] that was a voting, nowone proposed anything else rather than activating it without a deadline or an end [15:11:40] and threre where other discussions, last year it was propoused to change the captcha definitions, and it didn't passed [15:12:38] Alchimista: in that discussion I didn't see consensus for permanent emergency captcha, I read it all back then [15:16:09] ERROR 1176 (42000): Key 'user_timestamp' doesn't exist in table 'abuse_filter_log' ... Toolserver -.- [15:16:19] heh [15:16:44] ( I know about the privacy reasons ... but still :S ) [15:17:49] MySQL indeed seems to not use the indexes... gnah [15:18:08] * hoo waits for Chris to do some live testing, then I can hopefully kill that bug [15:19:40] Nemo_bis: it wasn't discussed for permanent, but until local comunity decides to get back to normal [15:20:11] I don't see anything like that [15:20:21] the question was "how long do we want this?" [15:20:33] and only 3 users replied "forever", those you quoted [15:21:49] Nemo_bis: precisely. in the propousal, it was for indetermined period. [15:22:08] -> " Assim, foi decidido activar temporariamente (por tempo indefinido) o sistema Captcha para todas as edições por IP." [15:22:19] temporariamente [15:22:40] time was undefined at that point and the discussion was meant to define it [15:22:56] but only 3 users said forever, so forever can't be the conclusion [15:23:10] and some people voted for keep it udefined, other for ever [15:23:16] or at least it's not clear in that discussion... it's not hard to ask the community again [15:23:39] so at least, what that discussion decided, was that it would keep active until a contrary decision [15:24:57] nope, it's not what voted there [15:27:58] well, it's how local comunity intepretated it :P [15:40:38] Alchimista: not really, past discussions don't show that [15:40:42] from what I can see [15:41:18] Nemo_bis: nowone ever had that interpretation, and it had been some discussions in the past about it. [15:41:55] last year, there was a propousal to move captcha to regular, and nowone had that interpretation, no local member of comunity interpretated that way ;) [15:43:23] dammit, the situation on the "esplanada/anuncios" is getting too explosive, let me put some watter there before someone gets burned [15:46:39] Lydia_WMDE: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-04-08/Technology_report Not published yet [15:46:58] Jarry1250: thanks! :) having a look [15:47:26] I probably have a space for a comment by you if you want [15:49:01] cool [15:49:20] Jarry1250: isn't that undue relevance for a single user's opinion? [15:50:35] Nemo_bis: I assume you mean Risker? Three(?) other people immediately agreed with her, and in any case it's just a point. [15:50:56] iirc more people on the ML disagreed... [15:51:07] Jarry1250: could you also in return then mention opinons of people like pheobe? [15:51:21] Ah yes, mailing list, forgot about that [15:51:29] Where are phoebe's comments? [15:51:39] on the mailing list [15:51:41] let me get a link [15:51:41] sec [15:52:52] Jarry1250: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2013-April/068252.html [15:53:24] http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2013-April/thread.html has more [15:55:11] Jarry1250: I don't understand what the Commons link is supposed to link [15:55:33] https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=94249142#Missing_author.2Fsource_parameters_on_mobile_uploads:_fix_coming maybe? [15:59:39] Nemo_bis: Yes, thank you [16:32:52] hoo|away: do you remember what's the wiki that has a dropdown for external search engines in the sidebar? [16:34:02] Nemo_bis: Some vi one maybe? [16:35:01] hoo: hmm not viwiki, can you maybe use your script to find mentions of Google? :) [16:35:40] Nemo_bis: I can hack some bash, sure... but I guess we'll have many false positives [16:36:33] hoo: sure, but better than looking 800 wikis :) [16:36:38] :D [16:37:58] Kicked it off [16:39:07] Already found 3 wikis :P [16:42:33] Nemo_bis: I did a case sensitive search for "google" now, I guess that's ok? (Didn't think this far...) [16:42:46] probably better I guess [16:47:58] Nemo_bis: http://toolserver.org/~hoo/tmp/foundGoogleWikis.txt that's the case sensitive search, I can run a case insensitive one, if needed [16:48:09] if you find a privacy violation ping me ASAP [16:48:25] sure [16:49:38] why would there be a privacy violation? [16:50:47] legoktm: A third party inclusion could be in these results [16:51:01] And those violate the WMF privacy policy [16:51:25] oh you mean on the wikis, not in your search right? [16:53:30] legoktm: huh? [16:53:51] i thought you were saying your .txt file might be a privacy violation [16:54:43] legoktm: No, the text file is 1000% fine [16:54:54] The wikis it lists *might* contain one [16:55:22] gotcha :P [17:06:04] hoo: is it me, or this doesn't have effect? https://ru.wikinews.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js [17:06:36] the original was deleted https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:SpezialSuche.js [17:07:39] oh, the pain [17:07:56] why didn't your search find https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-externalsearch.js ? [17:08:12] in other cases the internal search disagreed with you [17:08:16] Nemo_bis: I only requested the main pages and looked into the html [17:08:20] ah :) [17:22:58] hoo: can you do the same with ?useskin=monobook or something? [17:23:08] I suspect the bright future now present broke it [17:23:27] That wont change much [17:23:55] If this is injected by JS it's virtually impossible to get it w/ a simple bash script [17:25:57] greg-g: might fundraising be able to take the 1500 to 1600 deploy slot on thursday? [17:27:31] hoo: oh ok :) [17:29:24] mwalker: yeah, what's the deploy consist of? (just starting to keep track of specific changes on the wiki as well) [17:29:40] mwalker: if it's easier, go ahead and add it to the wiki yourself, I'll update the GCalendar as appropriate [17:29:45] kk [17:29:53] thankya [17:34:35] greg-g: changes made [17:35:09] mwalker: thanks much, sir. looks good. [17:35:42] (in general, bug numbers/gerrit urls are awesome, though ;-) ) [18:09:19] good afternon, humans [18:09:51] is anyone here a) skilled with .css and .js , and b) able to help me in creating some custom scripts?> [18:11:15] !log updated payments anti-fraud rules [18:11:23] Logged the message, Master [20:24:21] what the [20:24:30] * greg-g should /ignore the nick changes [20:59:30] Wikipedia is broken. [21:02:31] SubspaceLizard, how? [21:02:37] and which one? [21:02:40] andre__, nevermind [21:03:31] all the wikis! [21:08:46] superm401, spagewmf: what happened to the nifty account creation interface? [21:08:59] kaldari, in progress. [21:09:20] The main patch we're currently working on is login: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/55847 [21:09:36] ah, so you're moving it to core? [21:09:41] There is a draft of the account creation part too: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/57823/ [21:09:47] kaldari, correct, that's the plan. [21:11:29] ack, why are you guys create a new mediawiki.ui module? Why not reuse the jquery.ui module? [21:11:42] we don't want 2 competing ui modules [21:12:11] although I guess it might make sense since jquery.ui doesn't cover all the UX components you want to style [21:12:50] but I would suggest using it for things like buttons and dialogs [21:15:42] anyway... exciting that it's moving to core :) [21:19:05] kaldari, jquery.ui isn't really being used by much if anything except the feedback module. [21:19:09] But it wasn't really my call. [21:19:20] That was more the design team (Trevor, Munaf, etc.) [21:19:34] jQuery UI is used by UploadWizard, PageTriage, and lots of on-wiki stuff as well [21:20:00] ArticleCreationWorkflow, ArticleFeedback... [21:20:19] WikiLove [21:20:25] lots of stuff [21:20:25] kaldari, yeah, none of that's in core, though. [21:20:50] I believe the VisualEditor uses it [21:21:04] although I guess that's not in core either :) [21:21:08] kaldari, right. [21:21:40] My oldest running commit tried to get a simple $.ui usage in core: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/38915/ [21:21:47] but jQuery UI is in core so why does that matter? [21:21:57] People were not thrilled. [21:22:17] But really it's becuase the design team is going there own way with Agora, which is understandable. [21:23:34] Agora is great, but why not put it in jQuery.ui? [21:24:24] kaldari, I think partly because the long-term scope of Agora (grids and what-not) is broader and takes a different approach for $.ui [21:24:41] OK, but they probably need to be kept in sync [21:25:07] Vector having 2 different style treatments for buttons is weird [21:25:09] Well, the design team also chose a gradual roll-out approach. [21:25:20] Starting with just login and create account and expanding as things go well. [21:26:01] fair enough :) I just hope we don't end up with 2 styles for the next 10 years :) [21:27:01] it would also be nice if we could decide on using sass or less :P [21:27:37] kaldari, for now, I'll settle for getting one of them in ResourceLoader. [21:27:45] Which I've offered to mentor for GSOC. [21:28:00] oh, that would be a cool project! [22:19:01] Krinkle: lovely edits to [[logs]] [22:19:29] Just extending my mind :) http://xkcd.com/903/ [22:19:37] Redundant storage [22:27:53] Krinkle: Is $( '#foo').text( $( '#foo').text() ) the best way to strip HTML tags from an element but leave the text? [22:28:49] kaldari: Beware that it does so recursively, but yeah, that'll do it. [22:28:55] kaldari: Why would you do that though/ [22:29:17] kaldari: (and of course caching of the jquery object, and you can optimise it by using .text(Function) instead of .text(.text()) [22:30:46] Converting a div with an anchor link into a jQuery.ui button if JavaScript is available. So actually... $( '#foo').text( $( '#foo').text() ).button() [22:31:13] I guess I should do it on the anchor tag instead [22:31:18] save the trouble :) [22:34:20] just have to re-arrange some of the css in that case [22:41:16] kaldari: But what kind of HTML would there be inside the tag that becomes a ui button? [22:41:32] just an anchor, nothing else [22:42:22] I'm just going to do a.button() instead and tweak the css [22:42:55] that will avoid needing $( '#foo').text( $( '#foo').text() ) or any other weirdness [22:43:40] in fact, I should probably get rid of that div entirely [22:45:09] not much point having a div just to give me display:block when I can apply it to the anchor instead [22:58:04] Reedy: the previous consensus on pt about captcha was still valid -> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41745#c22 [22:59:10] and there wheren't a new one to turn off wmgEmergencyCaptcha [23:00:36] andre__, I don't get it: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47013 - can't we disable bugmail temporarily? [23:01:18] changing https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/editparams.cgi?section=mta - mail_delivery_method [23:01:19] to none [23:01:28] "'none' will completely disable email. Bugzilla continues to act as though it is sending mail, but nothing is sent or stored. [23:01:28] " [23:01:28] Thehelpfulone, if I can redirect the mob with torches to your house in case everybody missed this important comment because bugmail was switched off at that time? [23:01:59] sure, we can always make people miss information without letting them know. Personally I just don't think that it's a great idea. [23:04:55] hmm so how would it work with a bugzilla upgrade, you temporarily shut down bugzilla through shutdownhtml [23:04:55] , then do the switch with bug mail disabled then turn everything back on? [23:05:25] theoretically yes. however if bugzilla is shut down, you cannot change bugs either. so I'd combine it with putting it behind a login [23:05:30] (apache config) or so [23:05:47] I once did that with a Bugzilla for drastical changes that took me several hours [23:07:00] does anyone here know how to change link colors? [23:20:21] Dragonfly6-7: I do. [23:20:39] kaldari: I was considering filing a few bugs against Echo. [23:20:54] Mostly splitting out bug... [23:21:04] Susan - how can I alter the color with which internal links are displayed [23:21:15] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46692 [23:21:16] That one. [23:21:27] Dragonfly6-7: In what skin? Have you posted to Tech at Meta-Wiki? [23:21:39] I'd like to share the answer with the class. [23:21:50] Yeah, an abuse related stuff should go in a separate bug [23:21:53] an=any [23:22:10] Susan -I'm working on replicating Classic in Vector [23:22:34] also, how can I ascertain the hex code for a given color? [23:22:46] kaldari: Right. Plus the bigger "whether to make the feed public" question. [23:22:55] Susan: BTW, we will have notification bundling functionality before it goes on en.wiki [23:23:05] which feed is that Susan? [23:23:09] kaldari: Nemo kind of wisely pointed out that watchlists are just a subset of recent changes. [23:23:15] Susan: which should limit the spamming possibilities [23:23:17]