[00:00:11] <^demon> Oh crap, well mw.org is broke now too. [00:00:16] Yeah, all 1.22 [00:00:41] Ahg, I removed both from extensions-list, commited, pulled on fenari, and synced across the whole cluster. [00:00:44] I don't know what the issue is. [00:00:53] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page = 1990s's [00:01:23] mediawiki.org is what I'm talking about [00:01:25] it's pretty obvious what the issue is [00:01:32] meta.wikimedia too, incubator.... [00:02:10] Aaron|home: didn't people want a "clean" theme? [00:02:34] the error messages in question are at the top of wmf-config/ExtensionMessages-1.22wmf1.php [00:02:42] it must have been generated with display_errors enabled [00:02:55] they are before the From l10nupdate. [00:03:31] "Warning: include_once(/home/wikipedia/common/php-1.22wmf1/extensions/E3Experiments/E3Experiments.php): failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /home/wikipedia/common/php-1.22wmf1/maintenance/mergeMessageFileList.php on line 101" [00:03:56] fixed now [00:04:04] but it will be cached on many pages [00:04:28] Thanks, TimStarling, we will be more careful in the future. [00:05:07] <^demon> This goes back to what Sam e-mailed engineering@ about the danger of actually deleting extensions from deployment. [00:05:36] superm401: I don't, but I assume you know what went wrong there and what to look for next time? [00:05:54] greg-g, I believe there were two root issues: [00:05:59] 1. Not removing it from extensions-list [00:06:10] yeah, I would imagine it was due to not removing from extension-list [00:06:18] 2. Removing it from the branch, rather than just let it not be cut into the next one. (not sure if this is what happened). [00:06:22] I know #1 is true. [00:06:51] <^demon> Because you did 2 and not 1, when l10nupdate ran, it resulted in what Tim found. [00:08:07] how about 3. mergeMessageFileList.php being on crack [00:09:44] E2 got bitten by mergeMessageFileList.php recently as well, but it was our fault :) [00:11:00] So is bsitu still running a scap? Or are those just old processes on fenari? [00:11:00] sure, you tried to pat it without gloves on [00:11:26] csteipp: scap is still running, should be done soon [00:11:27] you know, sometimes it really is the dog's fault [00:12:13] scap's still chugging along [00:12:21] <^demon> I love the mix of half-global and half-oop code in mergeMessageFileList. [00:12:38] yeah [00:12:43] please don't "fix" it again though [00:12:46] <^demon> I won't. [00:13:04] it's like that so that extension registration files won't spew errors due to missing global variables [00:13:25] Correction, it was not removed from the deployment branch (just set not to be cut in the future). [00:13:34] So the only problem that I know of was not removing from extensions-list. [00:19:34] So hypothetically, can I do some work in git and sync a few files while benny is still scapping? [00:19:52] csteipp: scap is done [00:20:02] it's just finished [00:20:09] bsitu: Thanks! [00:20:21] csteipp: sorry about holding you! [00:21:00] scap can revert your changes if you do sync-file while it is running [00:22:41] actually it probably won't do that very often... [00:22:53] if you run sync-file twice it will probably work [00:27:13] O [00:27:24] I'm going to test a new version of mw-update-l10n [00:43:25] O? [00:46:16] TimStarling: How come this happened?: Kww blocked User:Ashleyhudgens (registreren gebruikers geblokkeerd) with an expiry time of 2 weeks: Abusing [[WP:Sock puppetry|multiple accounts]]: [[User:Geelove13]] used to evade block; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:log/block [00:46:32] Notice the block options are in a different language [00:47:41] looks fine to me on Special:Log [00:47:49] hmm [00:47:50] you want me to debug MrFishBot? [00:47:54] lol [00:48:02] TimStarling: It gets it from irc.wikimedia.org [00:48:23] Didn't we recently have a bug for that? [00:50:35] Kww's interface language is set to dutch fwiw [00:52:16] Yes, but that should not apply for the English feed as it's not the site language [00:52:27] Right? [00:52:33] right, i'm just saying that might be the source of the bug [00:52:45] What's weird about it is that it's only IRC [00:53:04] on IRC* [00:58:34] LogFormatter::getIRCActionText() has no special case for block, so it would just fall back to getPlainActionText() [00:59:08] and getPlainActionText() looks like it would deliver the message in the user's language [00:59:48] I'll file a bug? [01:02:48] It doesn't appear here though: Kww blocked User:Geelove13 (account creation blocked) [01:03:03] When he blocked that user, it wasn't in Dutch. [01:04:14] Bsadowski1: well you'd have to know if he changed his language [01:43:39] hey, can someone help fill me in? [01:44:01] i read the log but i'm not entirely sure what happened [01:47:51] the whole E3Experiments extensions was the first thing i wrote and has been an absolute factory of ill-will and disasters, so it's fitting that its removal inaugurates a week of errors and bugs [01:48:26] it looks like i did indeed forget to remove it from extension-list [01:49:17] but really, the process is a bit crazy [01:49:49] you have the extension code in the extension directory [01:50:08] a submodule reference in core [01:50:30] extension-list and initialization/configuration in mediawiki-config [01:51:05] and a reference to it in mediawiki/tools/release's make-wmf-branch [03:46:01] [[Tech]]; Jrajav; Adding Myskin section; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=5365107&oldid=5364391&rcid=4040092 [03:47:17] [[Tech]]; Jrajav; /* Myskin */; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=5365108&oldid=5365107&rcid=4040095 [04:26:00] [[Tech]]; 71.199.89.80; /* Chick Skin to Vector Skin - Text full page width */ new section; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=5365134&oldid=5365108&rcid=4040124 [04:26:54] [[Tech]]; Igna; Reverted changes by [[Special:Contributions/71.199.89.80|71.199.89.80]] ([[User talk:71.199.89.80|talk]]) to last version by Jrajav; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=5365136&oldid=5365134&rcid=4040126 [04:27:19] [[Tech]]; Igna; Undo revision 5365136 by [[Special:Contributions/Igna|Igna]] ([[User talk:Igna|talk]]); https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=5365138&oldid=5365136&rcid=4040128 [05:03:38] [[Tech]]; Jtryan77; Added question heading regarding procedure to change Vector Skin to include edge-to-edge text similar to Chick Skin, while retaining tab-key search box cursor placement.; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=5365155&oldid=5365138&rcid=4040145 [05:13:23] Anyone familiar with how commons images talk to Wikipedia articles? [05:22:38] MasterofPuppets: talk to? [05:22:54] legoktm: how frequently they update to respond to changes. [05:23:26] changes like what? [05:23:50] changes in the image? [05:23:53] or global usage? [05:25:36] Changes in the image. [05:26:18] Got an image which only updates select resolutions of itself, it seems. I guess we'll just have to wait until it fixes itself. [05:27:14] tried purging? link? [05:29:43] Yeah, not a cache issue. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_Senators_Supporting_SSM.svg [05:29:54] Compare (same revision): http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b1/US_Senators_Supporting_SSM.svg to http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b1/US_Senators_Supporting_SSM.svg/400px-US_Senators_Supporting_SSM.svg.png [06:54:53] MasterofSleep: that *is* a cache problem [06:55:35] varnish cache purging in esams still broken [06:56:15] but if you're not in Europe then you may have another problem too [07:13:37] Hi [07:15:27] Anybody can tell me how can I find bots that were active during specific time period (eg. 1 month)? [07:16:01] is this in the past month? [07:16:04] or a certain month? [07:16:09] since yesterday I have used Special:ActiveUsers but this page disappeared... [07:16:16] o.O [07:16:18] which wiki? [07:16:18] legoktm: last month [07:16:23] or shorter term [07:16:29] plwikisource [07:16:47] ok, lemme run a query on the toolserver [07:16:51] legoktm: I use it regularily [07:17:02] hmm [07:17:14] so I am looking for general solution [07:17:54] It was much simpler to find bogus bot editions than parsing Recent changes [07:18:29] huh [07:18:31] it is gone [07:18:50] and nothing instead [07:19:38] weird [07:19:39] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_1.22/wmf1#Breaking_changes [07:19:42] i dont see why its gone [07:20:24] sb filled bug that it is slow on some wikis [07:20:43] weird solution of such a problem [07:21:13] [[bugzilla:41078]] [07:21:21] * legoktm looks [07:22:53] oh [07:22:55] hmm [07:23:05] yes it was killed [07:23:25] why was that not listed as a breaking change? [07:23:36] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/55807/ [07:24:10] nobody maintains those pages :) [07:24:13] gah [07:24:14] or the release notes [07:24:22] ankry: you know http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikisource/EN/TablesWikipediaPL.htm#bots don't you? [07:25:26] Nemo_bis: no, I am just looking if it is usefull [07:26:21] Nemo_bis: It seems to be for wikipedia only [07:26:29] I am looking for wikisource [07:26:55] no thats wikisource [07:26:56] Nemo_bis: OOps sorry. I see [07:26:59] the url is just bad :P [07:29:19] ankry: you don't even know your Beau.bot ? :) [07:30:39] If you don't find a solution you should find consensus on wiki and request reactivation of the feature on it. Then a bug can be created to request it to be restored behind a configuration variable, I guess... [07:30:53] Or maybe you could try to get https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Contribution_Scores enabled, who knows [07:32:00] Nemo_bis: Baeu is not active, almost no communication last months [07:32:47] Nemo_bis: this page seems to be potentially usefull, but outdated now. How often is it generated? [07:34:34] ankry: every month more or less, you can monitor progress at http://stats.wikimedia.org/WikiCountsJobProgress.html [07:35:16] It's always "outdated" compared to a live query :) [09:23:09] !log varnish esams purging still broken, e.g. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fe/Wikipedia-logo-v2-km.png [09:23:15] Logged the message, Master [14:07:57] where is Special:ActiveUsers in some wikis? [14:08:11] http://uk.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Спеціальна:Активні_дописувачі [14:08:11] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:ActiveUsers [14:08:11] http://uk.wikinews.org/wiki/Спеціальна:ActiveUsers [14:09:47] Base-w: It has been removed from MediaWiki [14:09:59] :O [14:10:08] why not in all wikis? [14:10:12] and what is now? [14:11:01] Base-w: Will be gone on all wikis after the 1.22wmf1 deployment is finished [14:11:12] see https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_1.22/Roadmap [14:13:19] why has it been removed? where is any discussion? and what is a alternative? [14:15:02] there is no alternative except for something like api.php?action=query&list=allusers&auactiveusers= [14:15:28] badly thought out, huge performance drain, not very useful [14:15:44] So it is still in api but it has been removed from interface? sounds silly [14:15:54] no discussion as far as I know [14:16:08] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_1.22 here is nothing about it [14:17:16] looks like it went into 1.21 release notes but not 1.22 [14:18:09] actually will it be in the 1.21 release? hm [14:23:32] Krenair: yeah the commit was in 1.21 [14:23:43] i only added it to breaking changes after someone complained in here earlier [14:25:46] ah it sounds badly - if you need to change smth in one wiki you need at least one week discussion. But developrs can change smth without any discussion in all wikis [14:38:21] Krenair: for a useless page, it was quite used [14:38:26] based on the number of complaints [14:38:51] It didn't even load on enwiki... [14:40:26] Nemo_bis, Base-w: It's just been brought up on wikitech-l, we'll see what happens from there [14:40:44] hoo|away: only on en.wiki [14:40:53] it's the only wiki where it didn't work and it wasn't of use [14:41:06] I agree, maybe it should've been disabled under miser mode [14:41:13] instead of removed [14:41:52] or rather with a config [14:42:13] we'd then enable it for all "small" and "medium" wikis in InitialiseSettings, done [14:43:56] Krenair: oh link to the thread? [14:43:58] im not seeing it [14:44:19] legoktm, https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/55807/ [14:44:34] no i mean on wikitech-l [14:44:49] Oh sorry, not wikitech-l. Mediawiki-l [14:44:59] http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/mediawiki-l/2013-April/040964.html [14:45:16] ah thanks [14:45:21] im not subscribed to that one [14:45:32] Neither am I [14:45:49] ah, I was confused too :) [14:46:41] added it to the signpost article :) [14:50:59] tsk, the usual 800 lb gorilla smashing us all [18:13:23] Reedy_: do you know when the change to disable ActiveUsersPager will go out to enwiki? [18:13:34] Err [18:13:41] When was it merged.. [18:14:32] 10 days ago [18:14:37] binasher: Should be on Monday [18:14:49] hey, it's StevenW. [18:14:56] (don't worry, it's not Agora-related.) [18:15:30] there are 280+ of those queries running on enwiki right now all from the same ip address [18:15:30] StevenW: could you look at https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/49364/ , or push someone towards it? it seemed like you were interested in getting this deployed (on the bug) [18:15:54] :| [18:15:55] root@db1042:~# uptime [18:15:56] 18:15:39 up 304 days, 3:48, 1 user, load average: 100.45, 83.39, 49.21 [18:15:57] lol [18:16:04] * binasher gets a'killin [18:16:21] lol [18:16:34] * StevenW is looking [18:16:49] binasher: I'll kill it from 1.21wmf12 [18:16:54] binasher: seen that wikitech thread asking why it was killed and not disabled on large wikis? [18:17:02] Reedy_: ^ [18:17:06] or was it mediawiki-l [18:17:10] * Reedy_ shrugs [18:17:10] thanks, StevenW [18:17:17] There was a commit to do it each way [18:17:28] MatmaRex: sure, would be happy to help move it forward. Need to read the comments from Trevor etc. but will try to get some attention to it. [18:17:41] i was asked about this as well [18:17:48] StevenW: thanks a lot :D [18:17:53] np [18:20:59] binasher: incoming [19:04:19] [[Tech]]; Gary123; /* Move sidebar links to bottom (similar to MySkin) */; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=5366534&oldid=5365155&rcid=4041716 [20:04:02] last reupload on Commons – purge still broken https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bulgaria_-_Peasants_at_Vladaja_%28W_Le_Queux%29.jpg [20:04:12] just in case someone wonders :) [20:08:25] gah!!! [20:08:33] why do you keep breaking it [20:08:48] Nemo_bis: is there a bugzilla ticket to respond on ? [20:09:12] LeslieCarr: there's plenty of bugs on cache [20:09:23] but it's almost impossible to file good ones [20:09:31] so it's all mixed up [20:15:20] Nemo_bis: does that one look better now ? [20:16:25] * ori-l purges Nemo_bis [20:17:07] * Nemo_bis feels weird [20:18:48] i'm about to go to the dentist, however the varnish process on cp3009 had a huge backlog on its htcpd - so maybe that was silently stopped and not properly purging ? [20:19:20] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c1/Sbarrojf3280_10.JPG is a more recent reupload and broken again [20:19:57] like you just purged it within the last 2 minutes ? [20:20:57] LeslieCarr: it was reuploaded 3 min ago or something [20:21:14] there's always plenty of reuploads to choose from at https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=upload&user=&page=&year=&month=-1&tagfilter= [20:34:28] I'm getting a database error from trying to view my watchlist. [20:35:03] http://pastebin.com/iAuB4hBm [20:37:25] It's gone away now, everything is fine. [21:04:10] Another problem, probably related with 1.22: for 2-3 days all newly created pages on plwikisource are marked "unchecked" on recent changes. It seems to hit most users, but probably not all. Empty edit fixes the problem for a single page and even if next edit is made by another user the initial revision is checked automatically by its original editor after the second edition [21:04:34] [6~Any hints how to fix it ? [21:06:42] AaronSchulz: ^ [21:22:59] Is there (and where is there) a value for how much disk space wikimedia uses as a whole across all projects? :) [21:23:16] I was expecting to find something on http://ganglia.wikimedia.org/ but I dont seem to be able to :/ [21:24:57] or which source should I be looking at? :) [21:50:13] Susan: hey, can we remove the +c on #mediawiki-feed please? :) [21:50:51] Susan: colors make it easier for me to quickly scan the messages, I think others may agree with me [22:36:18] greg-g: Meh. [22:36:29] greg-g: The colors are pretty awful and obnoxious. [22:36:35] not all colors are [22:36:41] they can be configed [22:36:54] Well, the messages are also pretty awful and obnoxious. [22:36:58] Susan: other people who I've mentioned this to thought it was a good idea [22:37:00] So it's a pretty good fit. [22:38:15] Done. [22:38:19] let's see how bad it is :) [22:38:33] I'm not sure why I'm idling in there. [22:38:38] The bot is pretty bad. [22:38:42] heh [22:38:46] thanks, btw [22:38:54] It reads the RSS feed. [22:47:21] :( no color? [22:50:24] Probably disabled by petan. [22:58:20] Susan: pinged him, we were just chatting about it in -labs [22:58:27] Susan: thanks, have a good weekend! [23:00:33] greg-g: I replied to you on wikitech-l. [23:01:15] * greg-g kicks offlineimap [23:15:17] I think I have to switch to a news reader or something. [23:15:17] I'm at like 16,000 e-mails in the Wikipedia folder. :-/ [23:38:23] Susan: replied [23:38:23] * greg-g poofs [23:40:08] he got split :( [23:50:34] I'm trying to register an account on wikimedia.org, but it says the username I chose it so similar to an existing account X. However, when I visit /wiki/User:X it says account X doesn't exist. Is this expected? [23:51:49] sometimes [23:52:08] its to prevent you registering accounts to be too similar to an existing username [23:52:27] like if user:admin eixsts, you creating user:admLn would be forbidden [23:52:31] which wiki is this? [23:53:00] this is on wikimedia.org, but my goal was to create an account for wikipedia.org [23:53:08] umm [23:53:15] do you mean en.wikipedia.org ? [23:54:06] I understand I cannot register with a similar account name, but the name it says my username is too similar to, doesn't exist (at least, that's what it says when I visit /wiki/User:) [23:54:12] yes, I meant en.wikipedia.org [23:54:58] (but somewhere in the process I was redirected to wikimedia I guess, I didn't type that in the address bar myself) [23:56:56] ok normally theres a tool i would point you to to request an account except thats down... [23:57:38] would it possible to request a username that would otherwise be too similar to an existing one that way? [23:58:49] ah, according to the Username_policy that might indeed by possible:)