[00:02:26] gn8 folks [01:16:11] need 1 greasemonkey tester plx [02:03:06] so exactly how long does it take for file transclusions to update under the new MW software? [02:05:20] I've b een waiting for about an hour and not a single one of the 10000 transclusions listed on my image has changed after I updated the template references [02:06:23] I guess I can check back tomorrow! [02:07:16] Magog_the_Ogre: file transclusions? [02:07:25] yes [02:07:48] global usage of Commons file or something? [02:08:01] nope [02:08:07] just simple english wikipedia usage [02:08:18] I updated the reference of an english wikipedia file to the commons file [02:08:31] ah [02:08:34] the local version still has ~9000 transclusions listed [02:09:08] I could turn my bot to purge every single one of the pages (which it is already capable of doing), but that seems like a cruel punishment for being slow [03:17:52] Magog_the_Ogre: what file? [03:18:38] Betacommand, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:A_typical_houseboat_in_the_Kerala_backwaters_near_Alleppey.jpg [03:19:41] Magog_the_Ogre: where are you seeing the transclusions not being transferred [03:19:58] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/File:A_typical_houseboat_in_the_Kerala_backwaters_near_Alleppey.jpg [03:20:38] if you edit the "transcluded" page and click save without making any changes, the page will disappear from the transclusion list [03:24:58] Magog_the_Ogre: I know, let me check something [03:28:03] Magog_the_Ogre: job queue is at about 500k [03:29:15] yeah [03:29:22] things seemed to be going very slowly tonight [03:29:33] so I figured something like that might be happening [03:29:52] Magog_the_Ogre: what template did you change? [03:29:53] Betacommand, I hope the version upgrade didn't add too much load [03:30:12] Magog_the_Ogre: 500k is just a little higher than normal [03:30:43] actually it was a portal page; https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=546444828 [03:31:20] oh wait [03:31:27] it was a template, silly me [03:32:22] Magog_the_Ogre: you might want to see if https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AWhatLinksHere&limit=500&target=File%3AA+typical+houseboat+in+the+Kerala+backwaters+near+Alleppey.jpg&namespace=10 need updating [03:34:11] I did betacommand :) [03:34:20] I'll purge the pages [03:34:26] maybe that will speed up the downstream process [03:34:55] I see one page dropped off the list [03:36:48] mostly because I'm running my bot, which *automatically* purges the pages. Thing is, it does them one by one, under the assumption there are only a few dozen at most [03:37:04] it would be collosally bad bot etiquette to run it all night [03:38:32] Magog_the_Ogre: down to 9071 from 9092 [03:38:46] yup, all ones that I or my bot have done [03:39:00] it was at 9300 before; my bot updated 200 of them [03:39:10] literally 0 updates from the job queue [03:39:30] Magog_the_Ogre: down another 10 [03:40:23] 9058 [03:41:15] Magog_the_Ogre: are you still purging? [03:41:52] no, I quit because you kept thinking the job queue was doing the lowering when actually it was my purges [03:42:36] Magog_the_Ogre: before we fix the issue lets see if the queue is actually broken [03:48:08] Betacommand, I assume you have a way to go about that [03:48:26] Magog_the_Ogre: Im looking [03:48:40] Magog_the_Ogre: I thought the jobs table was on the toolserver [03:48:59] there was a column recently added to show job age [03:49:33] maybe it is; I don't ever use the database on the toolserver [03:49:49] it doesn't have the things I need (read: content of the page) [04:02:05] Magog_the_Ogre: it seems to be functioning just really really really slow [04:19:03] Magog_the_Ogre: dont purge I am going to log this process [04:34:20] Magog_the_Ogre: are you running your purge script? [07:41:12] > In brief, Eloquence is pushing me to do less talk and more action when it comes to PHP code. -- Tim Starling 06:07 25 May 2003 (UTC) [07:41:16] :-) [11:48:05] Betacommand: hah! I knew you were plotting something, this time jobqueue stressing ;) http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2013-March/067876.html [11:48:34] Nemo_bis: Not me [11:49:02] Nemo_bis: I was just following a ping here about 12 hours ago [11:51:15] ah :) [11:51:25] I forgive you. [14:36:31] whoa «Currently, mobile is the only vector for signup that has substantially changed to bring more people in (E3 is not funneling users into account creation)» [14:36:34] https://docs.google.com/a/wikimedia.org/presentation/d/1GmCPP3SWvOZYRqzaJ9n_7uxYmVrIGuhPpOg5bQs2-4M/edit?pli=1#slide=id.gaf38dcf9_05 [14:49:36] Nemo_bis: ? [14:50:08] YuviPanda: nice isn't it? although of course few edit etc. [15:46:28] can anyone explain me one thing in lightning deployments? [15:47:46] there's a nasty bug that was already fixed and merged in Wikibase, but it in some way blocks the work with Wikidata for Wikipedia users (in bat-smg, be-x-old, zh-classical and other dashed projects) [15:47:48] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46466 [15:48:01] can this fix be deployed during the lightning window? [15:49:44] just for the record, I devoted myself to serving Perun, a Slavic thunder god, five years ago :) [16:27:12] wizardist: good for you, what gifts does he give you? [16:27:51] Nemo_bis: a shitload of snow in the middle of March :*( [16:27:59] I think our Nike may be a relative of his [16:30:07] :) [16:57:37] does somebody has an overview about how high the replag of the aftv5-db(group) against the main-db is? [17:07:51] se4598: No idea what you're talking about. [17:10:26] Susan: Aftv5 has now their own database-servers [17:11:40] Last I'd heard, AFTv5 was causing performance problems and had been completely disabled. [17:12:13] Hmm, looks like it's been re-enabled. [17:13:26] its only disabled on enwiki, but not on dewiki [17:13:37] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=siteinfo&siprop=dbrepllag&sishowalldb= [17:13:50] Looks like it's not really exposed there. [17:16:52] and by user-bugreports it looks like there is sometimes a issue/huge lag between the main-db and aftv5-db and/or between the aftv5-master/slave [17:43:50] Well, surely we should abandon the project, then. [18:36:27] Thehelpfulone: I needed gmane for a thread on wikitech crossposted to analytics because it's the only way to get the full picture, but that ML is not on gmane :( [18:36:37] How can such a thing happen? :/ [18:38:56] Hi! I already asked about this in #mediawiki channel but was redirected here. Is anyone here that can tell me some more about the job for software engineer (search, Lucene, Solr) that Wikimedia foundation is offering? [19:19:11] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikimedia_Foundation_error [21:22:08] .bs ubfi primoz82 [21:22:14] bah [21:22:47] hmm Nemo_bis I didn't create that one, but what's the usual process for adding a list to Gmane - request the mailbox from ops? [21:36:21] Thehelpfulone: if you do as soon as you create the mailing list, it's just a form on gmane.org [21:36:56] Thehelpfulone: if it's added later, after the form you also need to get the mbox and ask its import to Lars of Gmane [21:37:29] Hmm, can people request a deletion of stuff from gname archives if there's accidental private data that we remove from our own archives? [21:48:10] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ApiSandbox#action=parse&format=json&text={{disambig}} click make-request at the bottom; why does it return html output instead of json as I specified in that URL? [21:53:52] gry: i've been seeing this shight in ApiSandbox (not only enwiki) for a few days already [21:54:38] but the API itself works fine and returns data in the requested format [21:56:02] ah, thanks; could we please poke someone to get it fixed :-) [21:57:47] would you happen to know how to tell action=parse to stop expanding templates, so it links to them instead? so if I parse "[[Dog]] {{sofixit}}", I could get a link to /wiki/Dog, and to /wiki/Template:sofixit, but not the links the template contains [22:17:00] gry, there's no option for that [22:18:23] gry: you can only get a raw wikitext [22:52:19] Thehelpfulone: Yes, anyway there are countless mirrors and we can do nothing about it. [22:52:55] see https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Remove_a_message_from_mailing_list_archive [22:53:34] Okay, I'll bring it up with a couple of people on Monday and see what they think about it