[00:11:16] <Jasper_Deng>	 TimStarling: btw, do you have any idea of how to fix https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44657 ?
[00:15:34] <TimStarling>	 either by fixing the unique index
[00:15:39] <TimStarling>	 		# Try to insert block. Is there a conflicting block?
[00:15:39] <TimStarling>	 		$status = $block->insert();
[00:15:40] <TimStarling>	 		if ( !$status ) {
[00:15:47] <TimStarling>	 this is meant to fail when you update a block
[00:16:23] <TimStarling>	 or by changing it to use UPDATE ... WHERE ipb_id=...
[00:20:29] <DaBPunkt>	 gn8 folks
[02:28:33] <Kira_K>	 Hi, I have a small question about Scribunto again... with templates, you could transclude any page. Is it possible to invoke a page in any namespace, or does it have to be in the Module: namespace for it to work?
[02:29:04] <anomie>	 Kira_K- It has to be in the Module namespace.
[02:29:22] <Kira_K>	 Ok, thank you
[02:30:11] <anomie>	 If you try something like {{#invoke:Template:Foo|func}}, it will try to load the page Module:Template:Foo.
[02:31:41] <Kira_K>	 But subpages do still work I assume?
[02:31:53] <Kira_K>	 Module:foo/bar ?
[02:32:09] <anomie>	 Yes
[02:32:37] <Susan>	 So I'd like to write a module.
[02:32:44] <Susan>	 I have a few minutes now, if anyone wants to help.
[02:33:08] <anomie>	 Susan- What sort of help do you need?
[02:33:16] <Susan>	 Just some help thinking about the best way to do this.
[02:33:19] <Susan>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:SCOTUSKey&action=edit
[02:33:23] <Susan>	 I wrote that template many years ago.
[02:33:28] <Susan>	 It's obviously incredibly stupid.
[02:33:39] <Susan>	 But I needed a way to extract the volume number from those titles.
[02:33:47] <Susan>	 So now I'm wondering how I would rewrite that.
[02:33:54] <Susan>	 Would I make a generic module? A specific module?
[02:34:28] <Susan>	 I guess I also have to know how to use {{PAGENAME}}.
[02:35:45] <anomie>	 At the moment, the easiest way to use {{PAGENAME}} is probably to pass it in as a parameter to {{#invoke:}}; the mw.title module hasn't been merged yet.
[02:36:01] <anomie>	 Generic or specific is up to you, really.
[02:36:58] <Susan>	 So it would be something like Module:SCOTUSKey?
[02:37:38] <anomie>	 That'd work. Or you could even do Module:Template:SCOTUSKey to make it really obvious the module is just for that template.
[02:38:16] <Susan>	 That's a legal title?
[02:38:32] <anomie>	 I haven't checked, but it should work
[02:38:40] <Susan>	 Interesting.
[02:40:14] <anomie>	 Just tried it in my local MediaWiki, worked fine
[02:41:18] <Susan>	 So I'd have {{#invoke:Template:SCOTUSKey|{{PAGENAME}}}} ?
[02:41:50] <anomie>	 not quite, you need a function in there. {{#invoke:Template:SCOTUSKey|functionName|{{PAGENAME}}}}
[02:42:11] <Susan>	 Oh, right.
[02:42:23] <Susan>	 Okay.
[02:43:42] <Susan>	 Hmmmm.
[02:43:50] <Susan>	 Okay, we need to link the "Lua reference manual" from the edit screen.
[02:43:53] <Susan>	 On module pages.
[02:44:10] <Susan>	 And it looks like we never fixed up TemplatePreview or whatever to point to documentation about that.
[02:44:19] <Susan>	 I'm sorry, I don't remember that feature's name.
[02:44:25] <anomie>	 TemplateSandbox
[02:44:27] <Susan>	 And I still don't really understand how to use it.
[02:44:29] <Susan>	 Yes, that.
[02:44:54] <Susan>	 Yeah, both of those fieldsets have kind of just appeared.
[02:45:01] <Susan>	 They're gonna need some help links at least in the short term.
[02:45:52] <Susan>	 anomie: Any thoughts on where to put a link to Lua help?
[02:46:01] <anomie>	 Susan- Working on it now
[02:46:05] <Susan>	 Oh, okay. :-)
[02:46:08] <Susan>	 Then I'll stop distracting you.
[02:46:33] <Susan>	 I feel like people are gonna need some hand-holding with this for a little bit.
[02:46:37] <Susan>	 It's a little intimidating.
[02:46:50] <Susan>	 Not that ParserFunctions weren't, but...
[02:47:20] <Susan>	 So if you're working on the UI, I'll go back to focusing on this module.
[02:47:31] <Susan>	 I pasted in the getting started example.
[02:47:47] <Susan>	 I need a function now that manipulates {{PAGENAME}} or {{{1}}} or something.
[02:48:26] <anomie>	 Declare your function to take one argument, named "frame". Then your parameter is frame.args[1].
[02:48:55] <Susan>	 So in {{#invoke:foo|bar|baz}}, baz is [1]?
[02:49:04] <anomie>	 yes
[02:49:06] <Susan>	 frame.args[1], I mean.
[02:49:07] <Susan>	 Okay.
[02:49:37] <Susan>	 I searched through https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Scribunto/Lua_reference_manual for "{{PAGENAME}}" and "magic word" and the results weren't super-helpful.
[02:50:02] <Susan>	 I guess I don't need that part of the code right now, though.
[02:50:05] <anomie>	 And in {{#invoke:foo|bar|name=baz}}, it would be frame.args['name'], or frame.args.name since the parameter name consists of just A-Za-z0-9_ and begins with A-Za-z_
[02:50:18] <Susan>	 Okay.
[02:50:28] <Susan>	 And parameter names are limited to ASCII now?
[02:50:32] <Susan>	 Is that right?
[02:50:43] <Susan>	 I saw your e-mail on wikitech-l.
[02:50:55] <anomie>	 The parameter names can be anything, just like templates. That email was about variable and function names.
[02:51:00] <Susan>	 It wasn't clear whether you were just talking about variable or parameters as well.
[02:51:03] <Susan>	 Okay.
[02:51:21] <Susan>	 So variables and functions are ASCII only. But parameters are same rules as regular template parameters.
[02:51:50] <anomie>	 frame.args['Anyţhíng wörκs']
[02:52:07] <Susan>	 Cool.
[02:52:51] <Susan>	 Okay, stupid question:
[02:52:56] <anomie>	 You should even be able to {{#invoke:foo|bar|name{{=}}huh?=value}} and get it as frame.args['name=huh?']
[02:52:57] <Susan>	 is there any reason to use string?
[02:53:08] <Susan>	 Instead of mw.ustring, I mean.
[02:53:20] <Susan>	 It seems like string is only going to break shit.
[02:53:33] <anomie>	 mw.ustring would usually be better. If you know you're dealing with ASCII, or you really want to screw around with the individual bytes of UTF-8, you could use string.
[02:53:45] <Susan>	 Okay.
[02:53:55] <Susan>	 But if I'm going to be passing arbitrary PAGENAMEs, I probably want ustring.
[02:53:58] <Susan>	 Right?
[02:54:00] <anomie>	 yes
[02:54:03] <Susan>	 Okay, cool. :-)
[02:54:53] <Susan>	 So I need a function of mw.ustring that returns "123" from "List of United States Supreme Court cases, volume 123".
[02:55:06] <Susan>	 No split/rsplit?
[02:55:53] <TimStarling>	 you know, most string manipulation in mediawiki is done with functions that are not unicode-aware
[02:56:10] <Susan>	 User-facing or inside the PHP code, you mean?
[02:56:10] <TimStarling>	 it's a bit of an exaggeration to say they're only useful for ASCII
[02:56:18] <TimStarling>	 in PHP
[02:56:35] <Kira_K>	 Wiktionary will probably need string manipulation a lot because it deals with words and inflections so much
[02:56:45] <Susan>	 Lua reminds me very much of Python 2 (as compared to Python 3).
[02:56:52] <Susan>	 In terms of Unicode handling/support, at least.
[02:57:00] <Kira_K>	 How would you, say, remove the last 1, 2 or 3 characters from a string?
[02:57:06] <Kira_K>	 Unicode characters, not bytes
[02:57:15] <TimStarling>	 using mw.ustring obviously
[02:57:24] <Susan>	 > So I need a function of mw.ustring that returns "123" from "List of United States Supreme Court cases, volume 123".
[02:57:24] <TimStarling>	 but that's a pretty rare thing to want to do
[02:57:34] <Susan>	 Truncating a string?
[02:57:37] <anomie>	 Kira_K- mw.ustring( s, -3 ) gets you the last 3 characters
[02:57:45] <anomie>	 Kira_K- mw.ustring.sub( s, -3 ) gets you the last 3 characters
[02:57:56] <TimStarling>	 Susan: no, that's an easy example of a thing you can use plain string for
[02:58:29] <Susan>	 TimStarling: Do I need to be worried if the page name ends up using non-ASCII characters?
[02:58:39] <Susan>	 And I'm still not sure how I'd do it using string or unstring.
[02:58:42] <Susan>	 ustring 
[02:58:53] <Susan>	 I'm getting closer, though.
[02:59:00] <anomie>	 Susan- Various ways to do it. One simple way is string.match( s, "%d+" ) which pulls off whatever sequence of digits is at the end of the string.
[02:59:00] <Susan>	 I have "function p.grab_volume_number(frame)"
[02:59:15] <anomie>	 oops. "%d+$"
[02:59:38] <Susan>	 Is there no string splitting function?
[02:59:47] <Susan>	 That seemed like the most obvious way to me.
[03:00:16] <Kira_K>	 Regular expressions would be nice... and I suppose that idea has been suggested before
[03:00:38] <Susan>	 anomie: ' and " are equivalent?
[03:00:40] <anomie>	 Kira_K- Lua has "patterns", which are similar but less powerful
[03:00:43] <anomie>	 Susan- Yes
[03:00:48] <Susan>	 Nice.
[03:00:51] <Susan>	 That drives me crazy in bash.
[03:01:06] <Kira_K>	 Yes I noticed
[03:01:17] <Susan>	 return string.match( frame.args[1], "%d+" )
[03:01:19] <Kira_K>	 Probably not powerful enough unfortunately...
[03:01:33] <Susan>	 Oh, $.
[03:01:41] <Susan>	 return string.match( frame.args[1], "%d+$" )
[03:06:48] <Susan>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:SCOTUSKey&action=history
[03:06:51] <Susan>	 Sweet. :-)
[03:07:43] <anomie>	 Susan- I put an edit notice for the Module namespace on enwiki. [[Template:Editnotices/Namespace/Module]] if you want to suggest changes
[03:08:35] <Susan>	 anomie: Seems to have a syntax error somewhere.
[03:08:54] <Kira_K>	 There is a strange bug in the syntax highlighting on https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Module:languages
[03:09:05] <Kira_K>	 The second line should also be indented with a tab, but it's not?
[03:09:21] <Susan>	 anomie: Yeah, you've gotta <nowiki> all those {{ and }}.
[03:09:24] <Kira_K>	 And when I edit it, it's not a tab anymore
[03:09:34] <Susan>	 Here: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Editnotices/Namespace/Module&action=edit
[03:09:58] <Kira_K>	 Apparently it keeps converting tabs to spaces...
[03:10:18] <Susan>	 That page seemed to take forever to load for me.
[03:10:51] <Susan>	 Jesus.
[03:11:02] <anomie>	 Where?
[03:11:10] <Susan>	 https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Module:languages
[03:11:14] <Susan>	 I think it's the syntax highlighting.
[03:11:18] <Susan>	 Ballooning the HTML.
[03:11:22] * anomie  does not see Jesus there

[03:11:39] <Susan>	 I'm not logged in there, but it's taking forever to load.
[03:12:07] <Kira_K>	 It's a very long page
[03:12:09] <Susan>	 real	0m8.322s
[03:13:29] <Kira_K>	 It converts the tab at the beginning of the second line to spaces, but leaves all the other tabs alone... very strange
[03:15:48] <Susan>	 30,568 lines.
[03:15:57] <Kira_K>	 The console says its session is too large
[03:16:23] <anomie>	 Kira_K- In the wikitext, that first line is 4 spaces rather than a tab. CodeEditor is apparently hiding that fact.
[03:16:43] <Susan>	 Right.
[03:16:43] <Kira_K>	 No I actually did paste a tab there
[03:16:45] <Kira_K>	 It changed it
[03:17:11] <Susan>	 If you think there's a bug, I'd recommend making a much smaller test case on en.wiktionary or on test2.wikipedia.org.
[03:17:16] <Susan>	 And filing a bug at bugs.wikimedia.org.
[03:19:06] <Susan>	 I'm trying to think of other awful and silly templates I've created on en.wiki.
[03:19:17] <Susan>	 I'm sure there are others...
[03:19:58] <Susan>	 I have to imagine that an edit to "Template:str_len" would improve overall en.wiki performance measurably.
[03:20:50] <Susan>	 Oh, anomie beat me to "Module:String".
[03:20:54] <Kira_K>	 Tables in Lua count from 1 and not from 0?
[03:21:13] <anomie>	 Kira_K- Well, you can have an index 0 if you want. But most functions assume 1.
[03:21:39] <duh>	 hmm, which projects is lua on right now? I'm guessing not wikidata?
[03:21:42] <Susan>	 http://lua-users.org/wiki/CountingFromOne
[03:21:43] <Kira_K>	 If I type local l = {"foo", "bar"} then l[1] will be foo and not bar?
[03:21:48] <anomie>	 For that matter, you can have an index -1, or an index -1/0 (aka -infinity)
[03:21:55] <anomie>	 Kira_K- yes
[03:22:01] <Susan>	 duh: https://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/InitialiseSettings.php.txt #  UseScribunto
[03:22:27] <duh>	 Oh well
[03:22:55] <duh>	 That many experimental extensions probably isn't a good idea for one site ;P
[03:23:41] <anomie>	 Susan- I see what you mean about trying to tab to the edit summary field...
[03:24:49] <Kira_K>	 How do I import a module from within another module? local languages = require("languages") gives a script error
[03:25:25] <anomie>	 try require 'Module:Languages'
[03:25:44] <duh>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Module:String
[03:25:52] <duh>	 oh wait
[03:25:53] <Kira_K>	 That works
[03:25:53] <duh>	 I see
[03:26:07] <duh>	 no one copied it over yet
[03:27:25] <Kira_K>	 Is there a reason why the require function needs Module: to be in front?
[03:27:57] <Susan>	 anomie: Yeah, a lot of the bugs I saw last August are still here. :-/
[03:28:02] <anomie>	 Kira_K- It's possible for extra loadable libraries to be distributed with Scribunto
[03:28:23] <anomie>	 duh- Well, {{str len/testcases}} looks good. I wonder if we should copy the sandbox to the real thing and see what happens.
[03:28:29] <anomie>	 Susan- Example?
[03:28:36] <Susan>	 anomie: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39609
[03:28:37] <duh>	 anomie: i agree!
[03:28:41] <Kira_K>	 So the Module: part is there to disambiguate between wiki modules and built-in libraries?
[03:28:50] <anomie>	 Kira_K- I suppose, yes
[03:29:09] <Susan>	 anomie: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39610 and https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39649 as well. ;-)
[03:29:17] <anomie>	 Susan- As for that, I'd like to write something to extract luadoc comments
[03:29:34] <Susan>	 That might be nice, yeah.
[03:29:42] <duh>	 anomie: also, i thought someone had worked on a port of citation/core that would be ready to go on enwiki when it was deployed?
[03:29:43] <anomie>	 39610 is in the roadmap, but we didn't want to wait for it to be done
[03:30:01] <Susan>	 I think someone has, duh.
[03:30:10] <Susan>	 No idea if it's ready.
[03:30:17] <Susan>	 Transwiki importing should work now, though.
[03:30:28] <anomie>	 duh- They probably did. Tim enabled importing from test2wiki. But it should be looked over to see if it needs any editing, e.g. mw.ustring instead of string or anything like that
[03:30:58] <anomie>	 39649 is an issue with CodeEditor, not Scribunto ;)
[03:31:15] <Susan>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Str_len/sandbox
[03:31:29] <Susan>	 Has that notice been broken for a while?
[03:31:33] <Susan>	 It links to /sandbox/sandbox and such.
[03:31:42] <duh>	 https://test2.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module:Citation
[03:32:26] <duh>	 anomie: would you mind importing that to enwiki so we can test it a bit locally?
[03:33:39] <Susan>	 anomie: There are other small improvements needed: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39605
[03:33:46] <Susan>	 I'm not sure to what extent you've looked through these bugs.
[03:33:59] <Susan>	 So I apologize if this is redundant or not new.
[03:34:03] <anomie>	 Susan- Not at all, for the most part
[03:35:07] <Susan>	 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39646 is probably resolved.
[03:35:36] <Susan>	 I had a long list of bugs to file, but I seem to have misplaced it.
[03:36:33] <Kira_K>	 The syntax highlighting doesn't parse multiline comments apparently
[03:36:45] <Kira_K>	 But the code editor does
[03:37:13] <Danny_B>	 syntax hilighting actually causes browsers to crash in certain cases
[03:37:30] <anomie>	 duh- Imported Module:Citation, Module:Wikitext, and Module:Mw for you
[03:37:38] <duh>	 thanks :)
[03:39:14] <anomie>	 duh - Note the url bits in Module:Mw are probably obsolete, we have the mw.uri module now.
[03:39:17] <Susan>	 Danny_B: Yeah, I commented on that bug.
[03:39:46] <duh>	 anomie: ok, i probably dont have much time this tonight (midterms :() but ill take a look soon
[03:42:13] <Susan>	 anomie: Template:Str_len/sandbox looks good to me.
[03:42:26] <Susan>	 The test cases are a bit weak.
[03:42:26] <anomie>	 Susan- Good, because I just copied it to Template:Str_len ;)
[03:42:33] <Susan>	 But they all look fine.
[03:42:44] <Susan>	 Heh, yes you did.
[03:43:04] <Danny_B>	 Susan: just saw... thx for support
[03:43:57] <Susan>	 anomie: I wonder if there's a question as to how many of these massively used templates should be updated in a short period of time.
[03:43:58] <Kira_K>	 Which libraries are automatically imported by Scribunto? Only the mw library?
[03:44:40] <anomie>	 Kira_K- Well, all the different mw sublibraries.
[03:45:00] <Danny_B>	 where is the list of them actually?
[03:46:00] <anomie>	 Susan- Probably best to take it slow. I'm going to head out in a few minutes, and if no one has beaten me to it by then maybe I'll do {{str sub}} tomorrow.
[03:46:03] <Kira_K>	 So I still have to import mw.ustring, for example?
[03:46:11] <Susan>	 anomie: Probably should protect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module:String :-/
[03:46:19] <anomie>	 Kira_K- No. mw.ustring is automatically loaded.
[03:46:20] <Susan>	 I feel bad saying that.
[03:46:30] <Susan>	 But it's going to skyrocket in number of transclusions.
[03:46:33] <Kira_K>	 Then what did you mean by sublibraries?
[03:46:40] <anomie>	 Susan- Good call
[03:47:14] <anomie>	 Kira_K- mw.ustring, mw.uri, mw.language. All those are "under" the mw library. Although technically they're all separate libraries, they're just namespaced under "mw".
[03:47:30] <Kira_K>	 So I was right after all...
[03:47:42] <Kira_K>	 I misunderstood you
[03:50:42] <Danny_B>	 Susan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module:Mw check url.server
[03:50:55] <Susan>	 Eep.
[03:52:10] <Susan>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Module:Mw&diff=538983150&oldid=538981386
[03:57:50] <duh>	 anomie: if you have a second, theres already one template in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Pages_with_script_errors
[03:58:27] <Danny_B>	 if ( nil == mw ) then mw = {} end (and others...) should rather be ( mw == nil )   [aka no Yoda conditionals]
[04:02:33] <anomie>	 duh- Hmm, "Template include size is too large". I wonder if something somewhere in there was depending on the 500 limit in the old {{str len}}
[04:03:14] * duh  has no clue :/

[04:07:16] <TimStarling>	 probably pretty much every module that is used in multiple articles should be protected
[04:09:49] <Susan>	 Protected from whom?
[04:17:53] <anomie>	 Well, I'm off to bed. Back in 8 hours or so.
[04:20:00] <TimStarling>	 bad people
[04:21:30] <Susan>	 [23:14] <Susan> Granularized page protection is one way to address it.
[04:21:30] <Susan>	 [23:14] <Susan> Better drafts/flagged revs support for templates is another way to address it.
[04:21:33] <Susan>	 [23:15] <Susan> If we could say, for a particular template, you need over 100 edits and over 4 years here, it would be better than admin-only page protection, I think.
[04:21:36] <Susan>	 [23:15] <Susan> It would have a nearly identical result, but would allow vastly more users to edit.
[04:22:05] <Susan>	 You and I have discussed the idea of page protection groups or level before.
[04:22:12] <Susan>	 Levels, rather.
[04:34:07] <duh>	 Susan: Making them wait four years would also make grawp wait 4 years to bypass autoconfirmed, so I'm all for it :P
[09:41:43] <Darkdadaah>	 It looks like Scribunto has been deployed in several wikis except fr.wikt... damn.
[09:48:18] <hashar>	 Darkdadaah: that will deployed there eventually :-]
[09:49:10] <hashar>	 !g Ie7e1b1d0e741230cb34a3cedf8cd8fe7ec9b8338
[09:49:10] <wm-bot>	 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#q,Ie7e1b1d0e741230cb34a3cedf8cd8fe7ec9b8338,n,z
[09:49:37] <hashar>	 Darkdadaah: ci dessus c'est la liste des wikis :D
[09:49:48] <hashar>	 Darkdadaah: il y a au moins le wiki français :-]
[09:50:44] <Darkdadaah>	 hashar: Oui mais moi je bosse sur le Wiktionnaire, donc ça me rend plus jaloux qu'autre chose :)
[09:54:23] * Darkdadaah  prend son mal en patience

[09:57:54] <Darkdadaah>	 hashar: Thanks for the link by the way.
[09:58:22] <hashar>	 Darkdadaah: scribunto devrait être activés sur tout les autres wikis si ça ne merdouille pas trop :-]
[09:58:59] <Darkdadaah>	 hashar: Quel délai peut-on espérer ? Quelques jours ?
[09:59:04] <hashar>	 no ETA :-]
[09:59:16] <hashar>	 Darkdadaah: je ne sais pas trop je ne suis pas vraiment ce projet
[10:00:28] <hashar>	 Darkdadaah: avant fin mars logiquement qui est la fin de notre troisième trimestre d'activité ( http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Engineering/2012-13_Goals#Milestones_by_quarter_7 )
[10:00:51] <hashar>	 Darkdadaah: on se réunit à San Francisco la semaine prochaine. J'imagine que le déploiement sera finalisé la semaine prochaine
[10:01:06] <hashar>	 Darkdadaah: tout dépend des problèmes qui seront détectés cette semaine j'imagine
[10:01:37] <Darkdadaah>	 hashar: Oh, ok. Bon, je vais prévenir mes co-contributeurs qu'il ne faut pas qu'ils s'inquiètent trop ;)
[10:02:02] <hashar>	 Darkdadaah: voila :-]
[10:02:24] <hashar>	 Darkdadaah: pour plus de détails tu peux demander dans #wikimedia-wikidata (en anglais ou allemand)
[10:02:37] <hashar>	 Darkdadaah: c'est le chan de l'équipe allemande qui développe wikidata.
[10:04:19] <Darkdadaah>	 hashar: Ah, ils s'occupent de Scribunto aussi ?
[10:19:18] <hashar>	 Darkdadaah: pas vraiment en fait :-D
[10:19:29] <hashar>	 Darkdadaah: je me suis embrouillé l'esprit entre Scribunto et wikidata haha
[10:22:24] <Darkdadaah>	 hashar: Ok, en fait je me rappelle que je voulais leur poser une question de toute façon, donc voilà.
[13:55:23] <aude>	 Reedy: poke
[13:55:28] <Reedy>	 hi
[13:55:32] * aude  reading https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_1.21/Roadmap

[13:55:56] <aude>	 so are the regular updates to wmf10 happening next week for enwiki and other wikipedias?
[13:56:08] <Reedy>	 Yup, they should be
[13:56:11] <aude>	 ok
[13:56:28] <aude>	 so the following week,we deploy wikidata on clients and they will still be wmf10
[13:56:54] <Reedy>	 yeah
[13:56:56] <aude>	 ok
[13:58:34] <sumanah>	 andre__: hey there
[14:00:59] <andre__>	 sumanah, heja
[16:55:06] <mitevam>	 hi, could someone help me get editting rights for https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/view/Dumps please, I am an intern with WMF and starting to work on dumps some 
[16:56:22] <mitevam>	 apergos any idea whom I should ping in particular for that ?
[16:56:59] <apergos>	 uh I don't know that there is a specific person, I can just do that
[16:57:07] <apergos>	 what is your wikiname?
[16:57:33] <apergos>	 mitevam: 
[16:59:40] <mitevam>	 its Mitevam
[17:00:22] <apergos>	 try that
[17:02:06] <mitevam>	 yep, I can edit now
[17:02:09] <mitevam>	 thanks :) 
[17:04:26] <Betacommand>	 question, is there a way to run a db query to find pages that have interwiki links that are not from wikidata?
[17:05:11] <Reedy>	 Presuambly
[17:05:15] <Reedy>	 If you wrote one
[17:20:08] <Krenair>	 Reedy, Hi. I was looking through all your 'Call to a member function x on a non-object' bugs for LQT. I went to https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41185 and am trying to reproduce the issue, but can't work it out
[17:20:29] <Krenair>	 Can you find what URLs triggered those?
[17:21:38] <Krenair>	 I suspect the fix is as simple as putting line 112 in a if ( $t ), but want to test it
[17:22:55] <Betacommand>	 Reedy: easier said than done, Im looking at the db and cant figure out how
[17:38:19] <jeremyb_>	 Dispenser: i may have windows 8 sometime today
[18:22:41] <Reedy>	 Krenair: What's difficult about it?
[18:22:44] <Reedy>	 null has been returned
[18:22:54] <Reedy>	 			$ret = null;
[18:22:54] <Reedy>	 			return $ret;
[18:23:08] <Krenair>	 It should be easy to fix, but I want to test before uploading stuff :(
[18:23:23] <Reedy>	 if ( $t ) { continue; }
[18:23:27] <Reedy>	 agh
[18:23:30] <Reedy>	 if ( !$t ) { continue; }
[18:23:30] <Dispenser>	 jeremyb_: Somebody had tested my edge case in ##windows already, but thanks for offering
[18:23:31] <chrismcmahon>	 Reedy: were you the deployer for mw.o and test2 yesterday? 
[18:23:49] <Reedy>	 chrismcmahon: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Version https://test2.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Version
[18:23:55] <jeremyb_>	 sure
[18:25:21] <chrismcmahon>	 Reedy: aha.  I don't suppose you'd have any idea why the GuidedTour E3 extension stopped working?  https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45156
[18:29:08] <duh>	 Betacommand: right now you cant
[18:29:11] <duh>	 its an open bug
[18:29:30] <duh>	 to add a new column to langlinks to figure out whether interwikis are local are foreign
[18:29:38] <duh>	 the only way to do it is parse page text
[18:43:58] <YairRand>	 it seems that {{int:lang}} outputs "en" on meta for all languages except de and fr.
[18:44:52] <YairRand>	 I don't even know what that should be filed under in bugzilla...
[18:45:32] <jeremyb_>	 andre__: ^ :)
[18:45:48] <anomie>	 YairRand- Is "lang" even a built-in message? Or is it just something people created in the MediaWiki namespace?
[18:46:04] <andre__>	 YairRand: "Wikimedia > General/Unknown" whenever you don't know :)
[18:46:29] <Nemo_bis>	 it's not a bug
[18:46:37] <Nemo_bis>	 use [[WM:RFH]] please
[18:46:58] <anomie>	 YairRand- BTW, it looks like pl, af, and nl should also work.
[18:47:08] <Nemo_bis>	 Meta doesn't use autotranslate so lang is not of big use
[18:47:11] <Nemo_bis>	 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/MediaWiki:Lang
[18:47:39] <YairRand>	 all the codes have to be created manually?
[18:47:47] <Nemo_bis>	 sure
[18:47:48] <Nemo_bis>	 well, or with a bot or something
[18:47:56] <Nemo_bis>	 why do you care? (maybe explain on wiki)
[18:48:21] <YairRand>	 Template:LangSwitch isn't working for other languages on meta
[18:48:35] <YairRand>	 as a result of the lack of int:lang s
[18:50:44] <Nemo_bis>	 I'm not sure it works in the same way on Meta
[18:51:26] <YairRand>	 seems to be the same
[18:52:47] <Nemo_bis>	 Patrick says "simplified version" in the history
[18:53:04] <Nemo_bis>	 let's start all over: where do you see broken stuff? :)
[18:56:45] <YairRand>	 if I were to copy some translations to meta templates that use langswitch, they wouldn't work except for a few languages
[22:20:21] * greg-g  waves

[22:56:20] <Nemo_bis>	 andre__: only one k :) https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38335
[22:57:32] <andre__>	 Nemo_bis, eeks :)
[23:03:32] <sDrewth>	 we have a new staffer?   Greg (WMF)  
[23:04:14] <Reedy>	 Yeah
[23:04:33] <sDrewth>	 just found it, thanks
[23:04:43] <Reedy>	 http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2013-February/066672.html
[23:05:11] <sDrewth>	 hey robla, when you do a new staffer, could you please considering emailing stewards-l ?
[23:05:35] <sDrewth>	 it means we can be aware of new ... (WMF) accounts
[23:05:56] <robla>	 ok, I'll try to remember
[23:06:09] <sDrewth>	 thx, cannot ask for more
[23:06:12] <sumanah>	 should that be something HR or OIT does?
[23:06:28] <robla>	 sumanah: very possibly, actually, if that's the function of it.
[23:06:29] <sDrewth>	 sumanah: I don't mind who
[23:06:51] <sumanah>	 sDrewth: this is for whenever a person creates a new (WMF) account?
[23:06:51] <sDrewth>	 locking new staff members is embarrasig ;-)
[23:06:59] <robla>	 we can put it on the onboarding checklist somewhere
[23:07:20] <sDrewth>	 we have had this conversation with Philipped, and it doesn't progress
[23:07:34] <sDrewth>	 *Philippe
[23:08:18] <sDrewth>	 the system doesn't allow us to title lock (WMF) and still allow existing accounts to propagate xwiki
[23:09:45] <sDrewth>	 so a user with the right can override, but not bypass
[23:15:20] <Nemo_bis>	 andre__: I guess that like me you're not too used to syntax highlighting rules ^^'
[23:15:52] <Nemo_bis>	 the up-upstream bug is 5 years old, I suspect it won't see much action :/
[23:16:03] <andre__>	 Nemo_bis, I'm slightly missing context (some bug report I tried to reproduce I guess), but I think that my answer is "Yes!" :)
[23:16:06] <andre__>	 ah
[23:16:28] <Nemo_bis>	 yes, same as above... I've been quite slow :/