[00:38:38] gn8 folks [03:05:50] hello, why isn't the new version of my file shown properly? [03:05:58] it looks the same to me [03:06:03] have you cleared your cache? [03:06:22] (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia_logo-es_1M.svg 2 vs 3) [03:07:39] .... [03:07:41] epic fail [03:07:47] thank you Nemo_bis [03:07:51] :D [03:07:53] nm [03:08:27] btw, do you like it Nemo_bis? [03:09:33] it's 4 am and even at a sane time you should trust my aesthetica judgement [03:10:19] oh sorry lol ok :) [03:11:53] *shouldn't [03:12:11] of course (you see, can't even get negations right) [03:12:24] lol [03:13:02] ok then see you tomorrow if we get to see Nemo_bis [03:14:45] later today, for Europe [03:14:47] lol [03:16:32] Reedy: do we pull across the big white screen, and a large vial of the "green dream"? [03:20:49] say what now? [13:14:14] andre__: are you making a special triaging of rotten AFT bugs for fr.wiki's benefit? :) [13:16:26] Nemo_bis, just trying to take a look at some AFTv5 bug reports for this week [13:17:41] andre__: I previously tried to make a global check and mark all the problems affecting non-en.wiki deploy as i18n [13:17:49] dunno what's the status now [13:18:09] also, i18n is quite an inflationated (?) keyword of course [13:18:42] overused, perhaps? is that what you mean? [13:18:59] or do you mean that there are a lot of bugs that, legitimately, hold that keyword? [13:20:00] I mean that it's hard to tell :) [13:20:36] vocabulary suggests hackneyed [13:20:58] doesn't seem that correct [13:21:05] well, whatevr :) [13:26:01] Nemo_bis: issues that create problems in other languages than English due to how things are implemented are I18N issues for me. [13:26:12] L10N issues are wrong translation strings etc. [13:26:37] that's how I'd basically put it. It might be broad, but we have e.g. a dependency bug for RTL (right-to-left) language issues and such. [13:26:58] I mean that's it's not only about language, also local customs or whatever [13:27:20] "crosswiki issues" we usually call them in Wikimedia (but not MediaWiki) [13:27:43] Nemo_bis: could you elaborate on "local customs"? [13:27:45] * andre__ curious [13:28:24] all those small crazy differences between a wiki and another [13:28:39] I tried to translate Moodbar into Polish once (again), almost impossibe [13:28:46] stupid example: those tons of PageTriage messages hardcoding [[w:en:WP:CSD]] [13:28:53] yep [13:29:00] moodbar was very hard [13:29:02] those smileys are thumbs up [13:29:17] none of the big problems of it has been solved [13:29:23] Heh, Moodbar just removed from en.wp... [13:29:24] actually one should invent a wholly different communication concept [13:29:29] but I think some problematic parts have been disabled [13:29:40] dashboard [13:29:40] I think [13:29:40] saper, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Flow ? ;) [13:29:49] aww "invent a whoolly different" --> not for this imaginative person I am [13:29:54] *unimaginative [13:30:05] andre__: no [13:30:15] something like the way it says "hi" at the top of the screen [13:30:22] and build on this [13:34:02] andre__: do you have editcountitis or are you still not sick? play with us https://toolserver.org/~erwin85/xcontribs.php [13:34:25] [this is "cross-wiki" in the popular (non-technical) meaning] [13:34:53] hah, nice [14:06:56] andre__: this http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Flow thing you linked is another attempt to reinvent Usenet to me :) [14:07:05] hehe [14:07:35] we only don't have a killfile currently [14:07:51] I think there should be sth like this on talk pages [14:10:00] I listened to Ward Cunningham's talk on Federated Wiki today, and he made an interesting distinction between (his) wiki discussion style (on c2.com) - everyone edits the same text vs. comments at the bottom - "Fix somebody's else's spellng" vs "Discuss whether X can spell" - http://vimeo.com/52637141 [14:31:15] hi everyone [14:31:48] i am an intern with WMF and I need edit rights for https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/view/Dumps for some work I will be doing [14:32:12] my mentor (sumanah) told me to ask for help here [14:32:19] saper, that's mostly impossible with DocumentMode and namespace separation [14:32:33] I do have an account already [14:32:41] whom should i talk to ? [14:39:38] hey lbenedix [14:39:41] hi [14:40:24] So, your question was: where can you see the discussion around getting new extensions deployed to en.wikipedia and de.wikipedia, and track what has actually been deployed. right? [14:40:36] i want to know when the extensions was deployed in enwiki and dewiki, having the old LocalSettings.php would be nice [14:41:10] i think there is a version-control for the configs but i cant find [14:42:24] lbenedix: so, I don't exactly know how the Ops team uses LocalSettings.php [14:42:52] I think that there is a default LocalSettings.php that is known as CommonSettings.php and then it gets changed on a per-wiki basis using InitialiseSettings.php [14:42:59] https://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/ has basically all of these files listed [14:55:00] okay [14:59:11] for example: if I want to know when "UseEditPageTracking" was added to the InitialiseSettings.php, what do I have to do? [15:00:16] I can go to: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/gitweb?p=operations/mediawiki-config.git;a=history;f=wmf-config%2FInitialiseSettings.php;hb=HEAD and crawl by hand [15:01:24] is it possible to search for commits that commitdiff contains some text? [15:06:43] Platonides, Krenair - any ideas for lbenedix? [15:07:27] bah [15:07:33] lbenedix: git blame the file ? [15:07:35] lbenedix: yes [15:07:39] lbenedix: git log -S [15:07:52] lbenedix: something like: git blame -w wmf-config/InitialiseSettings.php | UseEditPageTracking [15:08:12] or even: [15:08:20] git gui blame wmf-config/InitialiseSettings.php [15:08:31] which "might" offer you a nice interface to browse the history of the file [15:08:32] git log -S UseEditPageTracking -- wmf-config/InitialiseSettings.php [15:08:57] yeah -S is nice too :-] [15:09:02] so I have to clone that repo first? [15:09:04] (this funcitonality is called the 'pickaxe' in man pages) [15:12:59] how do i clone that? i'm not very familiar with that gerrit-thing [15:13:30] what repo is it? [15:13:32] hashar: hey, remember that thing i was in here about the other day? [15:14:01] its about the InitialiseSettings from https://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/ [15:14:22] you'd generally `git clone https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/p/.git` [15:14:23] lbenedix: hope this helps! I have to go for the moment [15:14:49] lbenedix: well, it says the repo names right there at the top [15:15:10] okay [15:17:05] git log -S UseEditPageTracking -- wmf-config/InitialiseSettings.php gives me "fatal: bad revision 'UseEditPageTracking'" [15:18:27] whaaa. [15:18:30] * MatmaRex checks this [15:19:25] lbenedix: are you sure you're inputting this right? this makes no sense [15:19:29] or i'm missing something obvious [15:22:35] I' in the mediawiki-configs-folder [15:22:48] and execute: [15:22:52] mediawiki-config$ git log -S UseEditPageTracking -- wmf-config/InitialiseSettings.php [15:23:00] * MatmaRex checks out the repo [15:24:51] lbenedix: works for me. only finds one commit, 015f5b7131eea4309864691dbc1f4266ac57ad18 [15:27:23] works on windows... [15:29:01] oh yeah, i'm on windows [15:29:07] maybe you're using some ancient version of git [15:29:23] debian repos love having outdated software hanging out in there [15:29:39] i tried on an ubuntu-machine first [15:33:29] so i can see the history only since it is in git... [15:34:10] yeah [15:34:16] lbenedix: what exactly are you looking for? [15:34:39] what about the Deployment of extensions before git? [15:35:42] your best bet is asking people on IRC or on wikitech. in best case the person who did the stuff answers, in worst case you get a scolding and helpful links [15:36:28] i think there have to be a discussion-page about what extensions to deploy in every wikipedia, but i cant find [15:36:48] lbenedix: also try #wikimedia-operations, that's where the server people lurk [15:37:11] lbenedix: not really, the E3 team deploys things on enwiki continuously without wasting time asking anyone [15:37:22] hehe [15:37:26] lbenedix: and recently geodata was deployed wikimedia-wide and i've only heard about it after it was live [15:37:43] and i actively look for these things [15:37:47] sounds like a strange deployment-process [15:37:52] quite. [18:38:31] hashar gone? [19:02:30] He'll be back later [23:35:42] Isarra: *waves* free to talk for a minute or two? [23:57:17] would someone please tell me where I see the logs of what was pushed out to servers per day? [23:58:32] sDrewth: are you looking for wikitech.wikimedia.org/read/Server_admin_log ? [23:58:41] you beat me :-) good job Jasper_Deng [23:58:42] http://wikitech.wikimedia.org/view/Server_admin_log [23:58:46] sumanah: ^ [23:58:52] ('read' does not work :)) [23:58:52] * Jasper_Deng messed up the URL [23:59:01] hee [23:59:02] see #mediawiki [23:59:04] it takes a village! [23:59:18] thx JD; hi sumanah not ignoring you, just trying to fix a pressing problem [23:59:30] no prob.