[00:48:56] Does anyone know what wikidata.org is sometimes throwing 404's? [00:51:28] Jasper_Deng, we only have one wikidata.org don't we? [00:51:49] Krenair: www.wikidata.org * [00:52:06] Krenair: I'm assuming it's distributed across the other servers like other sites [00:52:12] oh you mean why it's throwing 404s [00:52:22] not what wikidata.org, lol [00:52:42] these 404's are the generic Apache ones not the WMF-customized messages [00:54:02] do you have some example URL? [00:54:17] or does it seem completely random and fixes on reload? [00:54:25] mutante: fixes on reload [00:54:35] someone reported getting 12 in a row though [00:54:39] in #wikimedia-wikidata [00:55:25] hmm, then i don't really know. if it was a specific URL each time it might have been leftovers from last week's problem when we tried to drop the www but had to revert [00:55:52] it's not wikidata vs. www.wikidata , right [00:56:11] right [00:56:33] but its sporadicness leads me to speculate about URL-rewrite rules not being executed correctly on all servers [00:56:36] and yes, it is distributed across servers, if you lookup www.wikidata.org you will see it is an alias for wikidata-lb. -lb being load balancer [00:57:15] (while just wikidata.org is a n A record / IP) [01:01:18] can you get a server name next time it happens? [01:06:20] mutante: how? [01:08:16] I have a 404 about every minute once at least [01:11:04] sysadmins seem to be busy according to #wikimedia-operations [01:11:10] * Jasper_Deng doesn't want to disturb them :| [01:13:21] Jasper_Deng: doesn't the 404 page tell you? you said it's the regular Apache 404 , right [01:13:43] * Jasper_Deng will look harder next time [01:14:08] thanks [01:15:36] <^demon> I've tried a variety of actions on wikidatawiki (logged in & anon), but I can't seem to hit any 404s. [01:16:21] ^demon: it seems to vary in occurence. I seem to be getting it far less than some others. [01:23:20] Jasper_Deng: is everybody getting that problem located in Europe? [01:24:34] well at least one Canadian got it [01:25:19] I got the same problem too [01:25:25] mutante: I'm in Boston and I have the problem [01:25:52] Just got it again [01:25:57] I'm in Canada [01:27:27] mutante: also, I'm from the US, but I'm using a Canadian tunnelbroker for IPv6 [01:27:37] so I typically get eqiad [01:28:56] any full URLs? [01:29:20] mutante: Special:Watchlist and http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Administrators/Confirm_2013/1 for me at least [01:29:26] it appears to be URL-independent [01:36:58] can someone paste the full text of the 404 page? [01:37:15] Not Found [01:37:20] The requested URL /w/index.php was not found on this server. [01:37:26] Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request. [01:37:39] techman224: I think he's looking for which server [01:38:25] Jasper_Deng, the message doesn't say [01:39:04] It's not the Wikimedia custom error message [01:39:48] techman224: you're not on IPv6 are you? [01:40:04] 17:34 < Jasper_Deng> mutante: also, I'm from the US, but I'm using a Canadian tunnelbroker for IPv6 [01:40:07] TimStarling, I'm on ipv4 [01:47:15] and the problem occurs with plain HTTP, right? not https? [01:50:48] mutante: just got it again, no server info [01:53:12] I got it [01:53:41] Confirmed on https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Watchlist [01:53:47] Same message [01:58:17] 404 on http://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Main_Page [01:59:19] just the once though, and I didn't manage to collect headers from it [02:01:45] is there a bug for this? [02:02:45] still moving servers? [02:30:39] the wikidata/wikivoyage 404 issue should be fixed now [02:43:59] TimStarling: Bless your internal organs. Thanks for fixing that. [02:44:29] Will a humanities major understand the answer if I ask what went wrong? [02:46:12] nice the 404 is solved, it got very annoying [04:30:47] Sven_Manguard: a few servers had an old copy of the apache configuration [04:31:33] I vaguely understand that [04:31:47] How likely is it that this might be a recurring issue? [04:32:43] well, there may be issues with out-of-date apache configuration in the future, but it won't cause wikidata.org to disappear again [04:32:54] next time it'll have some other effect [04:34:35] How foreboding. [04:35:42] Thanks for entertaining the tech-unsavvy liberal arts major. [04:36:28] you know I read an article recently complaining about how the only people studying IT in the UK are people who aren't smart enough to study an arts degree [04:36:44] people who can't spell or string a sentence together [04:37:42] :s [04:39:56] My theory is that people just think differently. My (ex)-CS major friend taught himself four coding languages, plus fluent Spanish and Japanese and intermediate Chinese [04:40:06] his brain picks up language [04:40:50] I effortlessly string together advanced concepts in writing papers on East Asian history [04:40:59] we both wonder how the other can do what we do [04:41:47] Also, it helps that most of my friends are in Chemistry or Engineering majors, so I'm used to being "the liberal arts major" [04:44:58] "The vast majority of kids look at the subject and quite rationally assume that it is both dull and useless. It therefore attracts a lot people who cannot write English well enough to do an arts subject and who are thus choosing between a degree in CS or accountancy or a qualification in leisure centre management." [04:45:08] http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/11/01/comp_sci_graduates_need_more_skills/ [04:59:42] TimStarling: Weird. Those kids should come to the US, where the perception is that people who can code are going to be the only ones that get hired in this economy [04:59:53] and that liberal arts people have no practical skills [05:00:40] or they should move the WMF over to the UK, since there are engineering positions that have been open for hiring since 2007 [15:44:18] http://en.wikipedia.org/w/resources-1.18/resources/jquery/images/sort_down.gif no longer exists. Boo [15:56:34] Make a comment, leave 23 seconds later [15:56:34] GG [15:57:55] who would ever say that something with resources-1.18 in its URL is not permanent [16:01:05] compare http://is.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notandi:Bjarki_S and https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruker:Bjarki_S Anyone know why | in the template breaks the table syntax on iswiki? [17:02:03] Are the databases gonna be locked again for some mins today? [17:03:20] Nope, shouldn't be [17:03:38] Maintenance/migration was completed in the window yesterday [17:03:55] ok, good [17:04:11] is there anything planned for today? [17:04:33] oh wait... its completed already [17:04:33] -.- [17:04:41] stupid question [17:04:53] http://wikitech.wikimedia.org/view/Eqiad_Migration_Planning/Steps [17:05:31] I wouldn't be suprised if there's some work done today, but shouldn't cause any issues [17:05:47] no, we're done [17:06:18] aha [17:06:25] mark: you did an awesome job, btw. all the planning and pre-work really paid off [17:06:31] Any and all reported problems are fixed? [17:08:03] Reedy: UW is back to normal today, and TMH is functioning, that was the last bit I didn't check yesterday. [17:08:12] ^ what LeslieCarr said [17:09:28] * aude assumes our cronjobs are running again [17:10:07] thanks ;) [17:11:03] ok, i see wikidata stuff in wikipedia....that means cronjobs are good :) [17:11:19] aude: Presumably they're on eqiads hume counterpart... [17:11:26] yep [17:56:16] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Servers#Hosting probably bears updating [17:57:09] heh [17:59:45] * AaronSchulz lols at Tim's quote [18:00:09] domas: do you have a cs degree? [18:00:54] no, I have a paper that tells that my industry experience matches CS degree [18:00:55] lol [19:08:53] Reedy: you around? [19:10:34] * robla thinks we should go ahead with 1.21wmf8 on non-Wikipedia wikis [19:12:19] mark: thanks for fixing enotifs; I've just received some for edits ~7 h ago [19:20:36] robla: is Reedy gone? [19:20:52] you tell me :) [19:30:44] AaronSchulz: I guess we should probably do the migration without Reedy. would you mind doing the switch? [19:30:53] already did [19:30:58] heh [19:31:02] cool :) [19:31:05] thanks! [19:33:52] Cheers AaronSchulz [19:35:03] <^demon> I got my wifi back :) [19:35:08] <^demon> I take it your wifi is sucking? [19:35:19] Not my own wifi [19:35:27] "public wifi" [19:35:34] Apparently no SSH or VPN out.. [19:35:48] truly public! :) [19:36:02] SSL? [19:36:07] I even had to register [19:36:08] pfft [19:36:15] ^demon: you mean the neighbors wifi ?:) [19:36:41] They hijack your connection to your first website, requesting heightened security [19:36:42] thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wifi [19:36:44] Chrome just goes lolno [19:36:52] <^demon> mutante: No, my wifi is back :) [19:36:56] :) [19:37:01] So had to use IE just to get logged on [19:37:10] ewwww [19:37:14] <^demon> What if you didn't have IE? [19:37:47] Not sure [19:37:56] Chrome didn't even have the "Yes, I know what I'm doing" button [19:38:11] oh no.. no warranty! [19:38:12] I guess I could've opened the redirect target explicitly [19:38:18] That mighjt've worked.. [19:40:18] <^demon> mutante: I mean hell, the neighbor still had the default linksys password. Who does that? [19:40:54] http://www.speedtest.net/result/2457450973.png [19:40:56] Hell yes [19:42:03] ^demon: oh, tons of people i guess. Google Streetview might have them mapped :) [19:43:57] "Got your wifi" [19:44:10] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qx2viPxfoig [19:44:20] ^ in that [19:45:38] Though, both internet connections at home have been flaky too. [19:45:48] Back later when I have better internets [19:45:55] Thanks again AaronSchulz [21:17:36] https://test2.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sfan00_IMG/sandbox - Is there a reason the score3 extensions throws a bad allocation? [22:45:52] [[Tech]]; Nicholasjf21; /* Auto scaling images for the Main Page of Wikivoyage */ new section; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=5114442&oldid=4839885&rcid=3851405 [22:49:12] [[Tech]]; MZMcBride; /* Auto scaling images for the Main Page of Wikivoyage */ +reply; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=5114463&oldid=5114442&rcid=3851409 [22:50:46] TimStarling: Thank you for poking at/fixing the Varnish thumbnail issue. [22:51:16] np [23:31:06] [[Tech]]; Nicholasjf21; /* Auto scaling images for the Main Page of Wikivoyage */ ; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=5114698&oldid=5114463&rcid=3851522 [23:36:25] Is that guy boycotting tildes or something? [23:45:40] [[Tech]]; Nicholasjf21; /* Auto scaling images for the Main Page of Wikivoyage */ ; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=5114793&oldid=5114698&rcid=3851580 [23:46:37] There we go. [23:48:02] Susan: the only purpose of snitch is allowing sarcastic comments on the channels, isn't it [23:49:17] Nemo_bis: Err, that's the purpose of every bot I write or run. [23:50:16] Susan: hmm, so EdwardsBot allows you to complain about 1) people doing mistakes with it, 2) people not developing alternatives? [23:50:41] Basically, yeah. [23:50:52] It never ceases to amaze me how much users can fuck up simple tasks. [23:51:03] People do the dumbest shit. [23:51:11] And re: (2): I'm working on it. [23:51:15] Sort of. [23:51:19] Is that guy boycotting tildes or something? .> [23:51:21] I'm pushing in that direction. It's a very slow process. [23:51:27] p858snake|l: SineBot. :-) [23:51:31] Not on Meta-Wiki, though. [23:52:32] I was explaining to someone today how I finally was able to deprecate my watcher tool after shepherding action=info through. [23:52:37] That only took a year or so. [23:54:02] Are you going to actually kill it? [23:54:16] I think it was a nice way for Meta admins to claim to have administrative actions [23:54:23] Heh. [23:54:37] I won't actively kill it. Bitrot will. [23:54:43] Having it in core is so much saner. [23:55:25] Sure, but there are so many en.wiki rollbackers that use watcher for their hat collection [23:55:49] Well, I'm also working on a cultural shift. [23:56:03] Hopefully we can open the number of watchers up to anyone. [23:56:09] The Germans are gonna do it first. [23:56:20] Looks like Risk [23:56:29] The other wikis (the Global South wikis) will likely switch to a lower threshold. [23:56:33] Eventually. [23:56:35] :)