[05:03:18] Hi, I'm trying to upload a new version of File:Wiki.png in it.wiki https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Wiki.png but I em experiencing some troubles [05:04:33] Can someone look into this? ^^ [05:05:27] I uploaded the new version, but I wasn't seeing it, so after 4 minutes I tried again, uploading the same file (I don't think I can have got it wrong as that's the only version I have in my pc). As soon as I did it I started seeing correctly my previous upload in the cronology but I still wasn't able to see the yellow lines in the new file (and neither in the cronology) [05:06:06] Looks fine to me. [05:06:15] you see the yellow line? [05:06:20] No. [05:06:27] The current version doesn't seem to use the yellow line. [05:06:30] then it's not fine! :) [05:06:52] Oh. [05:06:56] Yes, that's exactely the problem! I uploaded a version with the yellow line [05:07:10] but it's still showing the old one even in the cronology [05:07:12] It looks like you reverted yourself. [05:07:20] Can you upload the yellow version again? [05:07:31] yes, it looks so, but look at the dimension of the file! [05:08:02] File uploads are pretty fucked. [05:08:54] I'm pretty sure that if I do it again I'll see the yellow line in that version in the cronology, exactely what it happened when I uploaded the previous one (I couldn't see the yellow line until I uploaded the current one) [05:10:03] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Naked_Catfish.jpg [05:10:08] Do you think he's having sex with that fish? [05:11:17] that's very likely! :) [05:11:34] Sandrobt: I don't have a much answer than "file a bug". [05:11:37] Is the logo change urgent? [05:11:53] You may be able to find a shell user willing to update the logo directly. [05:11:57] Rather than using Wiki.png. [05:12:02] But really, file uploads just seem pretty fucked. [05:12:10] Which I think is already the subject of several bugs. [05:12:45] Susan: it won't matter in a long time [05:12:48] It's a current thing [05:12:56] Right. [05:13:00] well, it.wiki reached a million articles an hour ago, so either we change it very soon or it wouldn't make much sense changing it in a few days! :) [05:13:08] Right. [05:13:12] You may want to still file a bug. [05:13:15] About the upload issue. [05:13:21] Or you can try button-mashing. [05:13:22] Susan: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Blog/Drafts/Your_First_Million_Is_Never_Forgotten [05:13:36] Since you don't speak italiano you can read in English on that page [05:13:37] (Uploading a new version of the logo until it works or you break the site.) [05:13:45] I understand the purpose of the logo. :-) [05:14:41] Sandrobt: what was the millionth? [05:15:00] breaking the site, looks like a good way to celebrate the million! :) [05:15:21] VictorEmmanuel: https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/8mm_%28gruppo_musicale%29 [05:15:58] TimStarling: Any interest in debugging the issue here: ? [05:16:08] TimStarling: It seems like the same upload issue that I was hitting. [05:17:08] https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_file:Wiki.png [05:17:27] VictorEmmanuel, Sandrobt ^ [05:17:33] As I said, file uploads are fucked. [05:18:22] so button-mashing is the only solution? :) [05:18:36] Sandrobt: https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikimedia_Blog/Drafts/Your_First_Million_Is_Never_Forgotten&diff=5101050&oldid=5099001 :) [05:18:40] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43850 [05:18:56] Sandrobt: Or bothering Tim, heh. [05:19:20] button mashing sounds good to me [05:20:14] Sandrobt: If you pick a size other than 135px, it'll properly look fine... [05:20:32] btw: at the end of File:Wiki.org it is written: "Il seguente file è un duplicato di questo file (ulteriori dettagli): File:Wikipedia-logo-it-milione 3.png da Wikimedia Commons", which means Mediawiki realizes it is a duplicate of https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia-logo-it-milione_3.png which has the yellow line [05:21:08] VictorEmmanuel: thanks! :) [05:21:18] what version do you actually want? [05:21:45] the one in https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia-logo-it-milione_3.png, which should be equalt to the last two version I uploaded [05:21:53] maybe reverting might help [05:21:58] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia-logo-it-milione_3.png [05:22:10] https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_file:Wiki.png is amusing. [05:22:26] s/properly/probably/ [05:23:11] nope... [05:24:00] but as predictable also my second upload looks correct in the cronology [05:24:14] So when you upload a new version, the old thumbnails are purged. [05:24:25] But the current thumbnail is wrong. [05:24:26] Bizarre. [05:24:37] what thumbnail? [05:24:43] it's just a source image isn't it? [05:24:45] TimStarling: either of the last two versions is good [05:24:48] they're the same [05:24:49] 135px source image [05:25:03] TimStarling: https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Wiki.png#filehistory [05:25:25] what about it? [05:25:27] That chronology keeps changing as Sandrobt uploads a new version. [05:25:34] Or rather, what that chronology looks like. [05:25:35] TimStarling: it's cached or something [05:25:51] When there were only two Sandrobt entries, the top entry had no yellow text. [05:26:06] With three Sandrobt entries, the top entry still has no yellow text, but the middle (second) entry now has yellow text. [05:26:43] The talk page has the logo at various sizes. [05:26:47] and now I just reverted the previous version I uploaded which you can see in the cronology it has a yellow line (and in the bottom it states the file is a duplicate of another file with yellow line) [05:26:52] Which should all look the same, but don't (to me). [05:27:51] to me neither, it's very bizzare! [05:28:16] TimStarling: did the Virginia thing start? [05:28:21] yet [05:28:36] no [05:34:16] aaaa, the new logo is slowly losing relevance [05:34:49] When we come back: Will the bug be fixed before the logo loses all relevance? Toon in next time [05:35:29] VictorEmmanuel: Tim is taking a look. Be patient. :-) [05:35:44] Also, you want "tune," not "toon." ;-) [05:36:14] btw, in the meantime, thanks to all of you! [05:36:29] Susan: you can't blame a non-native speaker :P [05:36:43] Blame? No. Teach? Sure. :-) [05:43:04] Bye [05:43:08] apparently upload varnish servers are meant to have a daemon on them called varnishhtcpd [05:44:24] but it's not running [05:45:45] Hmm. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43448 is tangentially related. [05:45:54] ah right, it is running, it just overwrites its own argv[0] to hide it from ps -C [05:49:16] and it's not listening on the relevant UDP port, so I didn't find it with netstat [06:10:19] sorry my connection stopped wotking, so if we wrote anything recently I missed it [06:10:34] Anyway, for the logo, if the problem with the uploads can't be solved "soon", would it be possible to the file with another name and change $wgLogo in LocalSettings.php? [06:47:13] Sandrobt: I purged that URL manually [06:48:03] !log on eqiad upload varnishes: purged /wikipedia/it/b/bc/Wiki.png at user request. varnishhtcpd appears to be totally broken. [06:48:14] Logged the message, Master [06:48:49] TimStarling: thanks a lot! Now it works! [06:51:00] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/it/thumb/b/bc/Wiki.png/104px-Wiki.png still seems to be the non-yellow version for me. [06:51:16] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/it/thumb/b/bc/Wiki.png/103px-Wiki.png and https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/it/thumb/b/bc/Wiki.png/105px-Wiki.png are the yellow version, though. [06:51:55] yeah, I only purged that one URL [06:52:20] didn't I say that already? [06:52:54] You said you purged /b/bc/Wiki.png. And after I cleared my browser cache, https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_file:Wiki.png is all yellow thumbnails for me. [06:54:02] I added the 104px version to https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussioni_file:Wiki.png for comparison. [07:20:36] Thanks again for all the help! Bye! [07:24:20] TimStarling: bawolff said it may need to be restarted, I think it was on wikitech and on a bug for incomplete deletions or so? [07:26:25] http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2013-January/065814.html [07:26:54] Brian is a wonderful person. [08:49:49] Vito: Counting articles isn't easy. What is an article? [08:50:03] Do redirects count? Disambiguation pages? Soft redirects? Stubs? [08:50:18] And then figuring out the millionth is difficult. So just make one up. [09:02:09] Susan: that was already done at 9.29 (CET), don't worry [12:21:51] Susan: redirects aren't [12:22:04] soft redirects are not in ns0 [12:22:15] stubs and disambigs are [12:22:35] mediawiki counts everything in ns0 with an exiting link as an article [14:07:58] hello [14:08:24] regarding your relocation [14:08:47] will the db servers move too and if so will the ips be renumbered? [14:09:27] FYI, in a little less than an hour, I'll enable the "Maintenance notice" banner on all projects in all languages, in preparation for the data center migration set to start in 3 hours. [14:10:44] i need to know if the replication of toolserver needs some reconfiguration [14:11:16] nosy: I personally don't know, but there will be more knowledgeable people in the channel later who can answer your question. [14:11:38] oki thx [14:12:09] The fact is that DB servers in Ashburn will indeed take over that role from the DB servers in Tampa, but that's all I can say. [14:30:34] Everything on schedule for the big move today? [14:32:19] nosy: it shouldn't affect you [14:40:34] mark: the db servers from tampa dont get new ips? [14:41:43] no, why would they [14:48:11] mark: do the database people know not to disable binlogs on the boxes we are replicating from? [14:48:16] mark: because relocation - i dont have any insights into the process and tasks [14:49:04] nosy: i don't think there will be an issue on the network level. But we have to make sure we can keep replicating from the boxes we are replicating from now [14:49:30] DanielK_WMDE: if we need to change hosts i think the heartbeat tables will help [14:49:34] afaik, databases in tampa will continue running, but will all be slaves. Some boxes in ashburn will become master [14:49:54] temporary replag should not be a problem ;) [14:50:27] nosy: we may have to switch to different replication masters. we would need a new ssh tunnel for that, i suppose. I do not know whether we have access to any box at shburn for that. But we can just replicate from a slave, can't we? [14:50:54] dont worry. nswitched master dbs several times [14:51:04] ok [14:51:17] and we can replicate from slaves [14:52:20] good. can you send a quick heads up mail about ""the toolserver will keep replicating from tampa unless you tell us otherwise? to ahser and ryan, CC CT, i guess. [14:58:57] The maintenance banner is now enabled and should start to show in ~2 minutes. [15:02:20] Banner's up. [15:02:43] <^demon> Yay, now we can break all the wikis ;-) [15:02:53] We have an excuse!!!1 [15:04:48] bold statement [15:04:53] "will be resolved shortly" [15:04:57] I didn't promise that! ;-) [15:05:31] hehe [15:05:39] people need hope [15:06:26] "I accidentally all the wikis. Come back tomorrow" wouldn't have cut it. [15:07:07] <^demon> "Go outside. Read a book." [15:11:11] it's winter. no outside left. [15:11:22] well, in some places... [15:12:08] i hear it's 15C in athens, so shut up :P [15:12:18] :-D [15:12:25] yeah it's not raining today, kinda nice [15:12:28] :D [15:12:43] <^demon> It's -1C here today. I'm staying indoors. [15:12:44] 30°c there [15:12:46] in morroco [15:13:16] oooh, lucky [15:13:29] 6°c here [15:13:40] ok actually 18°c in casablanca damn [15:13:40] I got a friend living here [15:13:47] he must have made fun of me [15:13:52] <^demon> All of you can be quiet. It's below freezing here. [15:14:37] * anomie looks to see the maintenance banner [15:15:02] Are we aware of slowness in Europe today? [15:15:07] no? [15:15:18] Someone thought the maintenance had started, because it's apparently slow for them in the UK [15:15:24] So I thought I'd check. [15:15:25] * anomie does not see the maintenance banner while logged in. Not even when visiting random other-language wikis where he has no non-default gadgets or scripts installed. [15:15:38] anomie: oh? weird. [15:15:46] what is slow? [15:16:03] "You mean it's not started yet? Wikipedia has been slow all day here in the UK" [15:16:10] it's all I know [15:16:33] it's loading fine for me [15:18:15] guillom- Oh, it doesn't load on special pages. So I do see it on random other-language wikis. [15:19:09] ok :) [15:24:25] guillom: i'm wondering if it's better now [15:25:11] I've asked, we'll see [15:27:31] guillom- Ah, ok. Apparently the "hide" button on centralnotice banners applies to all of them across the broad categories of "fundraising" and "not fundraising". So anyone who hid any non-fundraising centralnotice banner in the last two weeks won't see the new one. [15:28:28] anomie: oh? I thought that's why we had banner-specific IDs. [15:33:18] mao [15:36:19] just a heads-up, https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_maintenance_notice#the_IRC_url_is_wrong [15:39:31] seriously [15:39:45] people nitpicking about an irc url :-] [15:41:09] hashar: upon entering that link, my irc client just says: * wikimedia-tech :No such channel [15:41:25] yeah [15:41:30] and we do not have a RFC yet :( [15:41:34] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-butcher-irc-url-04#section-2.5.1 <-- draft [15:41:40] (but ill admit its probably just a stupid irc client; i know at least some other clients fix this automatically) [15:41:48] which basically says the client should attempt to join the channel as is [15:41:57] hmm [15:42:00] and may then prefix with # or whatever char is used for the server [15:42:04] but that is a draft :) [15:42:35] Hans_Henrik: also if you look at http://irc.lc/url [15:42:45] it uses either irc://irc.server.org/channel or irc://#channel@network :D [15:44:21] replied on the wiki page [15:44:32] but it is unlikely I will follow up though :-D [15:45:48] Hans_Henrik: and mozilla has yet another way to handle it http://www-archive.mozilla.org/projects/rt-messaging/chatzilla/irc-urls.html [15:47:13] oh great.. so there is no correct way, not even a "de-facto correct way" [15:47:18] Just wanted to wish everyone on the ops team best of luck with the switch to Ashburn this week. [15:48:38] hashar: out of curiousity, why not link to the webchat as fallback? http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=wikimedia-tech [15:48:55] <^demon> Hans_Henrik: http://xkcd.com/927/ [15:49:16] whoops, am blind.. [15:59:54] Has Wikipedia Moved Yet [16:00:03] No [16:00:16] Yesterday was an American holiday [16:00:29] Ok Thank You [16:00:58] the day of doom is now upon us however [16:01:44] Do we have a rough schedule? [16:02:01] Yeah, is there a "when what happens" kind of page? wikitech maybe? [16:02:04] ^demon: lol!! [16:02:09] ^demon: nice xkcd :) [16:02:40] but yeah the web chat might be better [16:03:22] I haven't been following closely, since my work is not priority and can be moved once everything calms down [16:04:23] Reedy- I think the schedule is basically "17:00 UTC: Start the checklists people have been making. Then fix whatever breaks for the next 8 hours." [16:04:23] dumps generally don't do well with dbs bein yanked out from under them repeatedly, so there's no point in trying to move til it's stable [16:04:46] sounds like a plan [16:04:49] <^demon> As far as the plan, I think http://wikitech.wikimedia.org/view/Eqiad_Migration_Planning/Steps is the page to follow. [16:05:06] heh I have that open in another tab... [16:07:23] ^demon: thanks, will follow that [16:56:04] Hi [16:57:26] Господа, кто здесь русский? [16:58:13] Бля, посоны [16:59:22] dao_: yurik, maybe? [16:59:40] dao_: (i don't speak russian, but can read it a little) [17:00:08] In Russain, please [17:00:25] Ok, in English [17:00:40] dao_: нда? [17:01:06] Юрик, вы меня понимаете? [17:01:28] всё кроме ненормативной лексики [17:01:46] Существовал никакого смысла в переводе это сообщение. [17:01:56] Её здесь нет [17:02:26] Предпочитаете по-русски или перейдем на английский? [17:02:38] english is easier for the rest of the channel participants [17:02:52] У нее есть собака размером с автобус. [17:03:02] getting: LOL [17:03:40] Ok, but our dialog doesn't make sense [17:04:07] dao_: what is the question, i'm confused [17:05:35] yurik: This is not question ) [17:06:23] yurik: http://lurkmore.to/%D0%9F%D1%83%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD [17:09:34] spam? [17:10:01] *shrug* [17:14:09] where were servers before moving to Virginia? [17:16:11] test1_: Tampa [17:16:16] test1_: in Florida [17:16:35] test1_: but well, the "physical" servers are not moving from there [17:16:53] i know :) [17:16:53] the traffic is being switched to new ones, but old one will stay there as "backup" [17:16:56] :) [17:38:18] Does anybody know the exact timings of when Wikimedia sites could go down? [17:39:06] joe- Any time since about 40 minutes ago. Read-only is coming in a few minutes, and will hopefully not last long. [17:39:50] Thanks [17:40:35] We are now going into read-only mode [17:40:38] I suppose someone is !log 'ing ? [17:41:20] Yes, over in -operations [17:41:22] the logs from operations channel are published (and yes entries to sysadm log too) [17:41:29] logmsgbot !log asher synchronized wmf-config/db-pmtpa.php 'setting pmtpa to readonly' [17:41:34] Also, http://bit.ly/wikisal [17:41:44] well, no !Wikimedia !Wikipedia but perhaps someone will read on identi.ca/twitter anyway :) [17:44:15] anyone else being told WP is in read-only mode? [17:44:35] Look up, PinkAmpersand. [17:44:35] yes [17:44:41] We are now going into read-only mode [17:44:43] PinkAmpersand- Yes. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Mylanguage/Wikimedia_maintenance_notice [17:44:46] oh [17:44:49] :P [17:46:37] hmm [17:47:25] There, that fits [17:48:20] anomie: would be nice if you removed the brackets, they break autolinking (at least on freenode web client) [17:49:09] Get a better irc client ;) [17:49:40] its cool B) [17:50:03] IIRC, angle-brackets are specifically recommended in an RFC somewhere for delimiting URLs when necessary. [17:50:23] * Nemo_bis knows that too [17:50:41] which is why MediaWiki uses them in enotifs [17:54:59] hmm Reedy minor thing but can we get "cut-n-paste the text into a text file and save it for later." to cut and paste? [17:55:20] What? Where? o_0 [17:55:33] "Warning: The database has been locked for maintenance, so you will not be able to save your edits right now. You may wish to cut-n-paste the text into a text file and save it for later. [17:55:33] " [17:55:44] No, I'm not changing it now [17:56:15] about how soon will be be back to save edits again ? [17:56:17] Thehelpfulone: It's a system message [17:56:36] Bsadowski1, yeah just found that, I'll edit it on that wiki after, thanks [17:56:51] Thehelpfulone: Get it done upstream if necessary. Kthx [17:56:52] :p [17:56:54] Thehelpfulone: custom message? [17:57:09] Reedy, heh okay :P [17:57:33] Migrant- Once this part of the migration is complete, however long that takes. [17:57:35] Thehelpfulone: don't be lazy, file a bug [17:57:48] Nemo_bis, I will once I figure out which message it is :) [17:57:54] It's not a bug-worth thing, Nemo. It's a system message. [17:57:55] -_- [17:57:55] ?action=qqx [17:57:58] readonlywarning [17:58:00] *uselang=qqx [17:58:12] Bsadowski1: you're wrong [17:58:13] anomie: 5 min, 10 min, 15 min, 30 min, 1 hour [17:58:23] Thehelpfulone: bugzilla is not read-only, AFAIK ;) [17:58:27] niggers smell like rotten berries [17:58:29] Bsadowski1, to fix it upstream it's best to get a bug [17:58:42] approximately [17:58:45] ? [17:58:46] Migrant- Don't know. And it's probably best not to bug the people who might, because they're busy working on it ;) [17:58:53] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Readonlywarning [17:58:54] yep [18:00:46] anomie: yeah ;-) [18:00:57] The Wikipedia database is temporarily in read-only mode. This is probably due to routine maintenance; if so, you will be able to edit again within a few minutes. We apologize for any inconvenience this might have caused. You can continue editing in the text box below, but you may not be able to save. Before attempting to save, you may wish to copy-and-paste the text into a text file so you will have it to attempt to make the edit aga [18:00:57] further information, you can visit the #wikipedia channel on the freenode IRC network. If you do not have an IRC client, you can connect using a web-based client. [18:01:36] that was the info in the linked article from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Readonlywarning [18:02:03] uh huh [18:02:23] this is scheduled maintenance to move operations to a new primary datacenter [18:02:34] anomie: so is it --> within a few minutes [18:02:42] Migrant- Maybe. They're working on it. [18:02:47] >_< [18:02:49] * mimi died [18:02:51] :( [18:03:03] I cant edit [18:03:03] tbh it may be an hour or several, but we hope it will be short. this is the first such migration. [18:03:04] mimi: We know. [18:03:20] you're not the only one mimi [18:03:32] ok [18:03:33] this is a great time wo work on a draft of that article you'd been meaning to write for pedia and never gotten around to :-P :-D [18:03:38] *to work [18:03:42] * mimi waits [18:03:48] Apergos okat thanks for further info... [18:03:52] yw [18:03:53] Nemo_bis, https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44248 :P [18:04:02] I can't make edits, is anyone else having this problem? [18:04:17] ItemID: known, it's the migration [18:04:27] ItemID: see the topic. we are [18:04:36] https://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/01/19/wikimedia-sites-move-to-primary-data-center-in-ashburn-virginia/ [18:04:42] in the middle of moving all operations to a new primary datacenter [18:04:45] Thank you apergos and MatmaRex [18:04:50] so for now databases are read-only. [18:05:16] you're welcome [18:05:19] how long will this last? I believe the announcement said the 24th? [18:05:56] well we have several slots open over the next few days [18:06:01] that's the worst case scenario [18:06:15] the best case is that in an hour we pack up our bags and turn writes back on [18:06:27] sorry for the very vague info but we haven't done this before. [18:06:36] an hour from now? I got unlucky with my choice of times to edit :) [18:06:47] there will be many other days where you are lucky! [18:06:58] Thanks again, apergos. [18:07:01] sure [18:09:06] Thehelpfulone: further nitpicking in reply [18:09:12] heh [18:09:21] come on, all join bugzilla triaging while wikis are read-only ;) [18:09:29] lol [18:09:45] Speaking of read only, for how long (or is that known)? [18:10:10] we don't have an eta, it would be nice if it were an hour, but it could be several if things are troublesome. [18:10:10] http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2013-January/065792.html <-- for suggestions [18:10:14] we'll find out soon. [18:10:53] * Ks0stm puts his AfD nomination on the backburner [18:11:12] at least the vandals aren't editing either ;-) [18:11:38] Deletionists Unite: bugs which are resolved during downtime go away forever! [18:13:32] apergos: I'm imagining ClueBot's load to be looking like this right about now: http://imgur.com/pLtlCg7 [18:13:44] heh [18:14:06] and let's see [18:14:19] admin [18:14:23] admin [18:14:27] admin [18:14:28] How long has the en.wp database been read-only? [18:14:36] admin you too :) [18:14:37] mm half hour maybe? (guess) [18:14:40] michagogo: just check the recent changes :P [18:14:42] hello [18:14:46] looking [18:14:55] 17:40-18:14 [18:14:57] So 34 minutes [18:15:00] BYE [18:15:05] Is there a bot in here that translates wikilinks? [[Special:RecentChanges]] [18:15:10] Guess not [18:15:20] It's not read only for me currently [18:15:24] yep [18:15:29] We just went out of r/o mode a minute ago [18:15:32] just switched writes back on [18:16:00] hello [18:16:10] hi :) [18:16:10] hello [18:16:21] oooo goes to make edits :D [18:16:22] hihihihihihihihihihihihihihihihi [18:16:27] o.o [18:16:30] * mimi died [18:16:48] what are you doing ? [18:16:52] For the data geeks, I captured this on Special:RC: [18:16:54] (diff | hist) . . Mohammed Sylla‎; 10:13 . . (+135)‎ . . ‎Bridgetfox (talk | contribs | block)‎ [18:16:55] (diff | hist) . . New York City‎; 09:40 . . (+122)‎ . . ‎Castncoot (talk | contribs | block)‎ (→‎Demographics: ) [18:17:05] what are you doing ? [18:17:05] yeah [18:17:06] me too [18:17:08] So that's 33 minutes of read-only time [18:17:10] he was fist [18:17:11] what are you doing ? [18:17:12] :( [18:17:14] pretty darn fast [18:17:15] I wanted [18:17:25] heeloman: Datacenter migration, the database was read-only for half an hour [18:17:27] I am number 13 [18:17:39] mim hello [18:17:41] there is still the possibility of hiccups during this time [18:17:43] mimi hello [18:17:50] Hi :D heeloman [18:18:00] 13 [18:18:10] mimi helloman ... [18:18:13] (which is why we have the banners plastered all over the site) [18:18:22] hello again [18:18:27] heeloman: :) [18:18:32] whats up heeloman [18:18:37] >_< [18:18:40] hiihi [18:18:45] bye peoples ! [18:19:12] * crimethinker hopes new datacenter has lower latency :) [18:19:14] -_- [18:19:14] bye! :) [18:19:34] crimethinker: Depends where you are ;) [18:19:48] Reedy: indeed [18:20:00] For most people it should [18:20:08] But if you're in europe, you'll see less of the benefits [18:20:30] I lived near st petersburg in 2009, and it was all the way to atlanta and back anyway [18:20:45] haha [18:20:48] gj internets [18:20:59] no one peers with anyone in florida [18:28:28] crimethinker: I went on vacation to St. Pete Beach in summer of 2012 and had 8ms latency to enwiki, it was kinda hilarious [18:37:36] phuzion, maybe things have changed since I left. I hope for their sake it has. [18:38:31] crimethinker: Yeah, I was actually surprised at how quickly everything loaded, so I did a quick mtr to see what paths I was getting, and it was like 2 hops on the residential ISP, one at the border of the DC, and then whatever server I was hitting [18:41:04] ohai [18:41:13] technical maintanence [18:41:14] OctagonmIRC: you just lost the game. [18:41:21] crimethinker: so did you. [18:41:27] crimethinker: lol [18:44:02] crimethinker: the only peering point with anyone on it is NOTA in miami - and that's mostly just peering to latin america [18:45:33] when I was in St. Pete, I had 60ms latency often [18:45:39] because it would get routed via dallas and back [18:45:54] kind of annoying when I could see the building the servers were in across the bay [18:46:06] mark: seriously? Which ISP were you using? [18:46:16] whatever my hotel was using at the time [18:46:17] And when were you in St Pete? [18:46:23] 2006 or 2007 [18:46:42] Ah, hotel ISP, probably routing everything back through for captive portaling and traffic shaping [18:46:49] no [18:46:56] just abovenet doing that [18:47:09] awesome - though i'd be tempted to get a pringles can and see about extending wifi ;) [18:47:12] sounds like something abovenet would do [18:47:19] Weird. [18:47:37] I can't remember is TWC down in St. Pete or is it Comcast down there? [18:48:07] Comcast. [18:48:19] or Verizon FIOS. [18:49:07] Interesting. I could have sworn I had TWC at the condo I stayed in a few years ago [18:49:42] I'm probably wrong. As long as my bits got in and out fine, I don't really care who the service provider is [19:17:28] Hello. [19:17:36] Hi [19:17:50] hi :D [19:20:15] Should Wikivoyage entries be formal? [19:21:13] I've no idea. Wrong place to ask [19:21:19] You want #wikivoyage [19:21:30] It seems I do, thank you. [19:22:49] Reedy: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/44948/ is ready for merge, any more comments on it? [19:23:44] There's the still unconditional dependancy on Echo [19:25:40] Reedy: it works with it disabled [19:26:25] though I honestly don't see how [19:26:32] Well, yeah, the hooks aren't going to do anything with it disabled [19:26:33] now that you mention it [19:26:37] tryDeleteSubmit has a problem though [19:26:40] indeed [19:26:42] As it always calls the echo class [19:26:50] how to fix that? [19:26:53] should at least be wrapped in class_exists or similar [19:26:55] I'll push in a patch [19:27:19] OpenStackManagerNotificationFormatter.php should be ok as the AutoLoader shouldn't load it... [19:27:24] if ( class_exists( EchoEvent ) ) { [19:27:26] ^^ ? [19:27:36] well, in quotes, of course [19:27:57] yup [19:28:00] cool [19:28:03] let me push that in [19:28:45] There's a quite a bit of code duplication in $wgEchoNotificationFormatters, but I think I'm indifferent as to how/if we fix it [19:29:19] 3/5 common lines [19:29:43] To seperate that will take 5 line of code + whitespace.. For a total gain of what, 4 less lines? [19:29:48] * Ryan_Lane nods [19:29:59] probably ok for now [19:30:06] Yeah, what I was just thinking [19:30:13] we'll be adding a lot more notifiers in the future [19:30:15] Refactor it if/when more are added [19:30:16] may be worth doing it then [19:30:29] Certainly for maintenance it would be [19:31:05] yeah [19:31:24] merged :) [19:31:40] hm. I'm probably going to need to upgrade labsconsole to add echo [19:32:15] * Damianz gives Krenair cookies and Ryan_Lane the look about upgrading [19:32:29] I'm going to upgrade now [19:32:31] why not? :) [19:32:54] At least we also branch echo [19:32:59] yep [19:33:14] Should be pretty find based on production [19:33:20] Just remember that localization /loves/ to break all the smw forms :D [19:33:25] it does? [19:33:36] what do you mean? [19:33:52] I'm not upgrading SMW [19:33:56] it's a stable versiomn [19:33:58] *version [19:34:04] and isn't branched with wmf branches [19:34:10] A while back it made all the form field names er.. blank... maybe you fixed that though :D [19:34:21] did i? [19:34:25] oh [19:34:26] that [19:34:29] that was because I upgraded SMW [19:34:34] and it had a new backend [19:34:50] they changed their json output format, though [19:34:53] which was incredibly annoying [19:41:08] Ah so /that/'s what broke nagios ages ago :D [19:49:01] Is ganglia intentionally password protected, or is that an oversight? [19:49:17] It's intentional, for now [19:49:30] Just because of the move? [19:49:36] No, it predates that [19:49:44] notpeter: ---^^ [19:49:49] Security issues from what I understand [19:50:10] Gotcha. What about collectd, is that still around? [19:50:18] I tried to find the public announcement but failed [19:50:27] and I didn't want to say anything that wasn't publicly announced [19:50:34] I emailed wikitech-l [19:50:39] but yeah, it's a sec issue [19:50:50] Oh I see [19:50:56] label:wikitech , not label:wikitech-l [19:51:16] http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2012-December/065184.html [19:51:41] RoanKattouw: Gotcha, thanks. Sensitive info being leaked through it or something? [19:52:27] If you read the second e-mail in that thread (which went to the list by accident), you'll see it was XSS vulnerabilities in Ganglia's web interface [19:52:32] XSS. [19:52:41] CVE-2012-3448, I think [19:53:03] I don't think there are many web frontends to backend-y UNIX-y tools that *do* do web security correctly. Tim has good stories about this [19:53:51] RoanKattouw and Krenair, thanks [20:04:12] I edited an equation in an article and now it says: "Failed to parse (Missing texvc executable; please see math/README to configure.)" [20:04:19] http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Equivalent_rectangular_bandwidth [20:06:22] yehar: thanks, I was about to do that [20:06:45] great thanks [20:08:10] yehar: thanks for the report, discussing that now in #wikimedia-operations. (we switched data centers today for all the Wikipedias, sorry for the inconvenience) [20:12:30] chrismcmahon: np, and it appears to work now too [20:28:16] how do I get a labs account? [20:31:38] Dispenser- Go to https://labsconsole.wikimedia.org/ and click "Create account" in the upper right? [20:32:21] IIRC he had some LDAP problem? [20:32:32] I thought that was fixed [20:32:42] ah no I'm mixing up names [20:33:10] Then I have a free shell account? [20:36:12] BTW, I'd like 1 TB of storage for an improved version of Checklinks [20:37:50] aww [20:38:49] Dispenser, how much do you use on the toolserver now out of interest? [20:40:08] 4.2 GB home, 1.3 GB user-store [20:41:10] The 1 TB would be for caching html to allow verification of references [20:42:57] ~500,000 pages * 50 links per page * 50 KiB of html (yup, HTML's gotten fat) = ~ 1.2 TB uncompressed [20:43:36] For comparison, Google's first server in 1999 had 80 GB [20:44:03] This doesn't require reliable backup [20:56:00] Dispenser: then you can use project storage [20:56:05] Dispenser: join #wikimedia-labs [20:56:10] we'd need to up your quota [20:56:17] be warned, that storage is slow [21:39:51] chrismcmahon: do you happen to know who/where I have to ask to get admin on meta.wikimedia.beta.wmflabs.org? [21:40:32] mwalker: meta on beta? Let me see if that's something I can do, one moment [21:42:11] mwalker: what is your user name there? [21:42:16] Mwalker (WMF) [21:52:52] chrismcmahon: can you tell me how the configurations are synced between the real cluster and the beta cluster? [21:53:01] are they also pulled every three minutes? [21:53:31] or is it a separate repo entirely? [21:54:08] mwalker: there is a daemon on the beta host that updates merged code to core and extensions in place on beta. hashar/Antoine maintains that, I'm not sure right now how often it runs. [21:54:57] mwalker: I would really like to make that a Jenkins build for just that reason, so it could be started at will from within Jenkins, but we don't have that in place yet [21:56:20] ryan lane and some documentation indicated that code at least is pulled from master every three minutes -- but I've seen nothing about the configuration -- I'll ping them about it [21:56:22] It use to be every min iirc... it's an ugly script that breaks on schema changes and all sorts [22:37:38] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44259 <- here you go, I don't know how to file crap in RT for ya