[01:18:16] LeslieCarr: ping [05:31:43] hello -- any one knows total number of concurrent requests that wikipedia servers handle? [05:33:33] Mahmoud: IIRC the number in the topic of #wikimedia-operations is it [05:33:43] so 141k? [05:33:46] don't quote me on that [05:34:32] orly [05:34:44] should be fetchable from ganglia [05:34:51] * jeremyb is too lazy to get it atm ;) [05:36:53] oh, huh, ganglia's still closed, forgot about that [05:37:09] was going to send Mahmoud there but then thought i should double check if it's open [05:37:20] jeremyb: you have the credentials, right? [05:37:24] no [05:37:33] but /me refers back to the lazyness ;) [05:37:53] Mahmoud: anyway, you're unlikely to get a firm answer at this hour and so close to a holiday [05:37:53] well, that's just insulting behavior on our part. let me get them for you. [05:38:08] ori-l: i hadn't *asked* [05:40:39] ori-l: that's really high, 141k. i wonder how many serverts handle such load? [05:41:07] errr, that's not easy to answer [05:41:16] there's many servers involved at different layers [05:41:23] some requests don't hit every layer [05:41:58] requests in some regions (e.g. amsterdam) will hit extra layers compared to identical requests in virginia [05:42:15] i assume 141 was for all servers? [05:42:23] i guess [05:42:44] if i divide 141 by total number of servers, would i get a general approximation of load per server? [05:43:07] there's LVS, memcache, mysql, apache, squid, nginx, and varnish. to name a few. some individual requests might use all of those services [05:43:11] no [05:43:29] so requests will hit only LVS and varnish. some will hit all of those layers [05:43:45] anyway, i'm heading off for the night [05:44:09] you should be patient and ask again in 10-15 hrs [05:44:24] same channel? [05:45:22] Mahmoud: yes, right here [05:45:41] k. thx. [14:04:10] is this a right place to ask to restart labs's memcache? [14:11:56] giftpflanze, I've asked in #wikimedia-operations [14:12:19] hm [14:15:29] thx [18:21:38] guillom: when are you publishing the engineering report? do you need help with making the summary translatable and asking translations? [18:22:47] Nemo_bis: I'm planning to publish it on January 9th; it's a bit later than usual because many people are on vacation [18:23:31] Thanks for the offer of help with Translate. I think I can do it :) If I'm stuck or I have an issue, I'll ask :) [18:29:17] guillom: I updated my parts of the eng report earlier today, let me know if you need any changes [18:29:38] guillom: ok, thanks :) [18:29:52] thanks chrismcmahon [18:30:05] Nemo_bis: no problem :) [18:30:24] mutante: I think you're the only one able to answer this? https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=4956665&oldid=4956515&rcid=3811495 [18:33:09] btw Nemo_bis, I've rewritten https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tech/Ambassadors ; your comments of feedback (if you have any) are welcome (preferably on the talk page) [18:35:20] guillom: oh nice, I saw the message on ml but didn't understand there were eve more news :) [18:36:15] well, it's not a big announcement, I'm trying to get some feedback before advertising it more [18:38:32] Nemo_bis: ok.. i'm just gonna switch to new planet soon and then people can do that themselves by submitting gerrit changes [18:42:14] mutante: I'm pasting your answer there [18:46:16] Nemo_bis: ok, cool [19:04:47] Reedy: how is the deploy doing? [19:05:51] waiting for scap to finish for the message rebuild [19:05:57] then need to look at a weird git repo issue [19:06:17] reedy@fenari:/home/wikipedia/common/php-1.21wmf7$ git pull [19:06:17] Updating 715d4f7..f4dccee [19:06:17] fatal: Not a git repository: /tmp/new-mw-clone-1579598498/mw/.git/modules/extensions/AbuseFilter [19:06:23] Looks like it's submodules are weird [19:07:39] andre__: just FYI, you were correct about the duplicate CAPTCHA bug [19:07:42] Thanks for that [19:08:38] yay. :) [19:16:06] MatmaRex: have you forwarded that to PWB list too? [19:17:11] Nemo_bis: PWB? [19:17:40] ah, pywikipedia [19:17:50] no, i don't use it, i don't even know where their list is [19:17:58] feel free to ~ [19:19:43] there are 4 lists for pywikipedia [19:19:49] :) [19:19:52] lol [19:19:53] I see [19:19:56] Vai a: navigazione, ricercain meta [19:20:01] -announce, -bugs, -l and -svn [19:21:14] why would they need four lists. [19:23:37] MatmaRex: one for announcements, one for bug reports, one for discussions and one for svn commits :p [19:23:51] see https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/ descriptions [19:24:12] mailing list for bug reports? what is it, 1980? [19:24:28] you can mail them without subscribing to the list and its up to them if they accept / moderate or reject mail from non-members [19:24:54] MatmaRex: heh, i dont know, but it says "SourceForge.net bug tracker" [19:50:30] something queued like 5 millions job in half a hour [19:51:35] We should stop users doing things [19:52:03] mailing list for bug reports? what is it, 1980? [19:52:08] We have wikibugs-l [19:52:11] haha [19:54:32] well, you don't *post* to wikibugs. [19:54:33] i hope. [20:21:06] Reedy: ping [20:21:48] uhh [20:21:56] is it just me, or do all labels on http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q129110 display as "English"? [20:22:08] yes we know :( [20:22:23] ah. known bug, will be fixed? [20:23:19] i assume it's related to "upgrading" to latest mediawiki core in the past ~hour [20:23:33] we'll have it switched back and will have to investigate tomorrow [20:24:26] alright, thanks [20:29:08] AaronSchulz: test2 captchas seem much more readable [20:29:21] that was fast [20:29:55] there are currently only 1k, I'll add more if they look ok [20:32:52] StevenW: of course readable tends to mean "easier to beat"...oh well, it's losing game anyway [20:33:07] I just wonder what the replacement will be [20:33:25] ok, lunch [20:39:44] kittens clearly [20:55:22] aude: let's talk here about the test repo for wikidata. I don't think it'd be hard at all [20:55:32] ok [20:55:56] i think it'd be helpful to catch things like this, related to deployment / production configs [20:56:22] aude: sure. could you file a shell bug requesting one? we can call it wikidata-test or something like that [20:56:23] and be able to debug [20:56:27] ok [20:56:35] <^demon|lunch> We have debug logs for wikidata. [20:56:47] maybe it goes away after localisation cache is done rebuilding [20:56:57] or we can look at the javascript, if not [20:57:24] ^demon|lunch: if/when we set it up, we could move the wikidata.org deployment to later in the cycle. [20:57:27] ^demon|lunch: seems very much like a javascript / localisation issue though maybe there's somethign in the logs that's helpful [20:57:50] robla: would make sense [20:58:03] <^demon|lunch> Well, wikidata-specific logs are on fluorine. DanielK and I set that up when we were debugging stuff before Xmas. [20:58:27] <^demon|lunch> We can toss as many wfDebugLog() statements as you want in the wikibase extension. [20:58:38] ^demon|lunch: right [21:01:42] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/43596 [21:27:33] I'm interested in using the Wikipedia data as sample data for some data analysis...so what I actually want is the edit history of the pages (i.e. what user edited it on what day) [21:27:45] It looks like the only way to get this is by downloading the entire dump... [21:27:59] which seems wasteful, if I'm just going to ignore all the actually article text [21:28:05] does anyone know how to get at just that data? [21:28:54] I know I can get only a certain category here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Export [21:28:59] which would be a good start [21:29:11] but I still can't figure out how to get it to not return the article data [21:29:35] <^demon|lunch> Would the API do you any good? You could fetch article histories for a list of titles. [21:29:48] wmoss: you sure that -stub-meta-history.xml.gz files don't help? [21:30:12] <^demon|lunch> Or that ^ [21:31:12] Just wondering - anyone else receiving a timeout when connecting to en.wikipedia.org while using HTTPS? [21:31:17] HTTP works fine. [21:31:41] down for me [21:32:42] WFM [21:32:50] wfm [21:33:12] I cant reach the Dutch Wikipedia, known problem? [21:33:31] Nemo_bis: I didn't see those files... [21:33:35] let me look, thanks! [21:34:08] ^demon|lunch: what api are you referring to? [21:34:15] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Export [21:34:19] that ^^ ? [21:34:51] Wiki13: no http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/nl.wikipedia.org [21:35:00] oh [21:35:24] Wiki13: actually we were having a ssl issue [21:35:27] which is now resolved [21:35:28] ah [21:35:30] wmoss: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API [21:35:35] that explains it [21:35:45] one of the servers decided to crash, bad server! [21:36:01] I uese https eveywhere,so Wikipedia always loads on https here [21:36:02] Nemo_bis: hadn't seen that either! [21:36:11] :) [21:36:12] I need to get better at google searching, it seems [21:36:14] :) [21:36:18] And then it decided to bombard any connection with RST packages it seems. [21:36:46] wmoss: or you could post on the talk page of https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_contribute where you'd expect that info to be ;) [21:36:54] Ah well, goodie its back. [22:04:00] ooh first post to wikibots-l in months, I had even forgotten its existence not to speak of my subscription to it [23:05:43] Hi. [23:05:59] Why am I seeing "" at ? [23:06:21] * RD isn't seeing that [23:06:30] I'm seeing a pretty outdated version of the page, I think. [23:06:32] I'm not logged in. [23:06:45] Did you try restarting? [23:08:19] Hmm, you removed the comments. [23:08:23] So I'm not seeing an outdated version of the page. [23:08:32] But it does contain that untranslated message. [23:08:41] I don't see it [23:08:55] I forgive you. [23:08:58] It's there anyway. [23:09:08] Are you logged in? [23:09:20] :P [23:12:16] RD: Are you logged in? [23:12:31] Yes. [23:13:39] That may be it. [23:14:08] Did you try logging in? [23:14:10] :P [23:14:41] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43599 [23:14:49] I included a screenshot. [23:14:51] You're welcome. [23:15:32] Localisation cache hasn't been rebuilt [23:15:42] Same reason as why you'd ever see [23:15:51] unless using qqx [23:16:04] Well, someone should do that, then. [23:16:20] Did someone push a change without rebuliding the cache? [23:16:22] rebuilding [23:17:12] I don't see anything in the server admin log, off-hand. [23:17:18] Last mention of "EventLogging" is from December 20. [23:19:45] Susan: I logged out myself and I don't see it (as in your screenshot). [23:19:58] Weird :) [23:20:00] Maybe I'm cursed. [23:20:06] Thanks for checking. [23:21:05] I did once.. [23:22:22] okay I logged back in, Susan [23:22:26] Now I see it. :/ [23:22:49] Reedy: you saw it, before it was cool/ [23:22:50] I've no idea why there's a message in that area. [23:22:51] *?