[00:07:44] <ireas>	 hi
[00:07:51] <jeremyb>	 world
[00:08:24] <ireas>	 mails from MediaWiki that tell me about an edit on my talk page contain "$PAGEINTRO" in the beginning
[00:08:33] <ireas>	 is this a known bug?
[00:08:35] <jeremyb>	 hah
[00:08:56] <ireas>	 (de.wikipedia)
[00:10:13] <jeremyb>	 ireas: edit my talk page?
[00:10:27] <jeremyb>	 SUL=ircnick
[00:11:27] <ireas>	 done
[00:11:37] <ireas>	 I can forward you the notification mail(s) I got
[00:20:13] <sDrewth>	 csteipp: around?
[00:21:21] <Nemo_bis>	 ireas: hello :)
[00:21:30] <Nemo_bis>	 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42752
[00:23:26] <ireas>	 hi Nemo_bis! thank you!
[00:23:41] <jeremyb>	 sDrewth: what's up?
[00:23:56] <Nemo_bis>	 AaronSchulz would probably the one to ask about it as it seems to be a jobqueue issues
[00:24:06] <sDrewth>	 just found a long blocked IP able to be used to edit at Voy:
[00:24:18] <jeremyb>	 ireas: you left me a message? i didn't seem to get a notification
[00:24:38] <ireas>	 jeremyb: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer_Diskussion:Jeremyb
[00:25:38] <jeremyb>	 ireas: grrr, apparently i didn't have it enabled there. (i do have it on on most wikis... can haz global prefs??)
[00:25:41] <Susan>	 sDrewth: File a bug?
[00:25:44] <jeremyb>	 ireas: anyway, it's on now ;)
[00:25:52] <sDrewth>	 so jeremyb wanted to get a reality check on the why/how?  A check today inicates that IP block is working
[00:25:54] <jeremyb>	 sDrewth: yeah, file
[00:26:09] <sDrewth>	 was more after the discussion initially
[00:26:51] <ireas>	 jeremyb: hehe. it is reported for de.wp already, so i guess we'll have to wait ... https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42752#c20 but i'll trigger a new notification for you anyway
[00:29:46] <jeremyb>	 ireas: yeah, i saw
[00:30:07] * jeremyb  has to run away for a while

[01:38:27] <wolfgang42>	 Does anyone know where I would find documentation for the articlefeedback API?
[01:38:41] <legoktm>	 api.php
[01:38:47] <legoktm>	 use the auto-generated documentation
[01:39:07] <wolfgang42>	 api.php what?
[01:39:38] <legoktm>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php
[01:39:47] <wolfgang42>	 Where would I find auto-generated documentation?
[01:40:15] <legoktm>	 on that page...
[01:42:10] <wolfgang42>	 Hmmm... does it not let me list the most recent feedback for all pages?
[01:43:07] <legoktm>	 im not sure, i havent taken a look at it yet
[01:43:42] <wolfgang42>	 Franco|Andro wants a bot to autohide feedback like 'hello'
[01:45:42] <legoktm>	 use the edit filter
[01:47:51] <wolfgang42>	 Doesn't the edit filter keep people from making edits? How would that help?
[01:48:13] <Krenair>	 AFTv5 has AbuseFilter integration
[01:48:21] <Krenair>	 AbuseFilters can be used to block bad feedback
[01:48:33] <wolfgang42>	 Ah, I see
[01:50:24] <Krenair>	 For example, the English Wikipedia has this filter: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:AbuseFilter/458
[02:01:48] <wolfgang42>	 Thanks legoktm, Krenair; I've told Franco about your suggestion
[02:02:30] <legoktm>	 yw
[02:17:05] <wolfgang42>	 legoktm, Krenair: Franco|Andro says he thinks that a filter would hit the >10% limit. Can someone test this?
[02:17:22] <legoktm>	 there's not a good way to test it...
[02:17:48] <Krenair>	 Not AFAIK, but you can probably test it live anyway
[02:17:58] <Krenair>	 What exactly do you want the conditions to be anyway?
[02:19:37] <wolfgang42>	 Krenair see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Francophonie%26Androphilie/Auto-resolve
[02:20:44] <legoktm>	 I'm not sure warnings work for AFTv5 + AbuseFilter
[02:23:25] <wolfgang42>	 The whole discussion is at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Wolfgang42#You_asked_me_to_remind_you...
[02:52:16] <gwickwire>	 Hey all. Any news?
[02:52:36] <legoktm>	 about...?
[02:52:49] <gwickwire>	 I just got an error that came up (and then decided to refresh and go away)
[02:53:00] <legoktm>	 do you know the error message?
[02:53:28] <huh>	 Anyone?
[02:53:52] <gwickwire>	 I'll look around and see what I can dig up
[02:54:08] <legoktm>	 huh?
[02:54:14] <huh>	 Wikipedia has problems?
[02:54:36] <gwickwire>	 Apparently for me too.
[02:54:38] * legoktm  reloads the page

[02:54:44] <gwickwire>	 I got an error then it immediately refreshed and went away.
[02:54:49] <legoktm>	 worksforme.
[02:54:55] <legoktm>	 I'm in US though
[02:55:39] <huh>	 oh
[02:55:55] <wolfgang42>	 No such problems here (US)
[02:56:15] <huh>	 for me looks like it is having no CSSS
[02:56:18] <huh>	 *CSS
[02:56:58] <gwickwire>	 I had that as well, no CSS/JS and then I refreshed, same, refreshed again, error, then it instantly refreshed itself and went to normal
[02:57:05] <gwickwire>	 Yet I just created a page no problem.
[02:57:13] <gwickwire>	 (I'm in Southern US
[02:57:14] <gwickwire>	 )
[02:58:43] <wolfgang42>	 For some reason the wifi at my job blocks *.wikimedia.org over https
[02:59:02] <wolfgang42>	 So I don't get any CSS, JS or images unless I use plain http
[02:59:13] <gwickwire>	 Oh. Well, I'm on plain http, and it happened.
[03:01:45] <ori-l>	 wolfgang42: heh, i wonder if it's some badly-implemented proxy that tries to catch domain typos
[03:02:05] <wolfgang42>	 ori-l you mean my job wifi?
[03:02:16] <wolfgang42>	 No, it's a completely paranoid content filter
[03:02:28] <wolfgang42>	 It blocks wikimedia.org for being `Freeware'
[03:02:47] <ori-l>	 'socialist'
[03:02:49] <gwickwire>	 xD really?
[03:02:55] <huh>	 hm, I have it good again
[03:03:00] <huh>	 *working
[03:03:15] <gwickwire>	 Me too. Strange.
[03:03:43] <ori-l>	 i can't reproduce... hrm.
[03:04:25] <wolfgang42>	 It also blocks a google search for `cracks in the sidewalk'
[03:04:33] <wolfgang42>	 ... as `Criminal skills'
[03:04:58] <gwickwire>	 Your IT guy must have fun reviewing your history (assuming he actually takes the time)
[03:05:11] <wolfgang42>	 And http://figlet.org (an ASCII art generator) for `Internet dating'
[03:05:20] <wolfgang42>	 Nope, he hasn't touched the filter in years
[03:05:27] <wolfgang42>	 It's M86
[03:05:29] <gwickwire>	 Wow, that explains the weird blocks then
[03:06:00] <wolfgang42>	 He also can't figure out how to disable the antivirus software when it deletes an application he uses
[03:06:12] <gwickwire>	 You need a new IT guy then
[03:06:12] <wolfgang42>	 So he uses an older version of it that doesn't get deleted
[03:07:00] <wolfgang42>	 Another irritating thing: Us mortals have to change our passwords every 30 days
[03:07:15] <wolfgang42>	 But he hasn't changed the admin password in at least 2 years
[03:07:26] <gwickwire>	 Does he tell yall the admin pwd?
[03:07:30] <wolfgang42>	 No
[03:07:39] <gwickwire>	 Oh lol. Then why change it?
[03:08:14] <wolfgang42>	 The reason I found out was because I was asking him how a printer was configured, and he discovered that it was authenticating to the network using his account
[03:08:21] <gwickwire>	 Wow
[03:08:28] <wolfgang42>	 And he hadn't touched the printer in years
[03:08:49] <gwickwire>	 Ya'll seriously need a new IT guy
[03:09:26] <wolfgang42>	 Tell me something I don't know
[03:09:35] <gwickwire>	 xD
[03:10:05] <wolfgang42>	 Over the summer he reconfigured the 'M:\' drive, which is a shared network drive that gets mounted for each user so they can store their files
[03:10:15] <wolfgang42>	 (It's a different folder for each user)
[03:10:18] <gwickwire>	 Right.
[03:10:50] <huh>	 good bye 
[03:10:51] <wolfgang42>	 And accidentally made the filesystem world-writable, so anyone could change anyone else's files by going to \\fs02
[03:11:06] <gwickwire>	 Wow. That's totally not what he was trying to do probably
[03:11:13] <wolfgang42>	 No, not at all
[03:12:07] <wolfgang42>	 Once I needed admin privileges on a computer, so he gave me admin on my account for that computer but never took out the standard restrictions
[03:12:24] <wolfgang42>	 So I could edit settings but couldn't open the control panel to do it
[03:12:30] <wolfgang42>	 :p
[03:12:35] <gwickwire>	 That's strange.
[03:12:40] <gwickwire>	 Do you still run XP at your office?
[03:13:00] <wolfgang42>	 We upgraded to 7 last year
[03:13:07] <gwickwire>	 Oh. Okay.
[03:13:11] <wolfgang42>	 But I actually have a laptop running Ubuntu
[03:13:14] <gwickwire>	 Are you going to be upgrading to 8?
[03:13:34] <wolfgang42>	 No idea. I hope not
[03:14:07] <gwickwire>	 Haha, yeah. I've been running Release Preview on a desktop. It's a great idea, but better desktop (or laptop w/o touch) features need worked in.
[03:14:27] <gwickwire>	 And, in saying that, I've had a Latitude 10 tablet on order for over a month now. It's supposed to get here wednesday lol.
[03:14:31] <gwickwire>	 I feel both ways about it I guess.
[03:14:36] <wolfgang42>	 I have a friend who absolutely loves it
[03:14:44] <wolfgang42>	 Personally I prefer Linux
[03:15:00] <gwickwire>	 I don't. I couldn't ever wrap my head around having to use WINE for everything I do.
[03:16:22] <wolfgang42>	 Most of what I do doesn't need WINE, fortunately
[03:16:40] <wolfgang42>	 But I do keep XP in VirtualBox in case I need it
[03:16:45] <gwickwire>	 I would, mostly for pleasure. I do a lot of things that, on a work tablet, would need a Windows program.
[14:13:50] <str4nd>	 Is mark, RobH_ or anyone else awake to report a MitM attack proxy?
[14:30:13] <sDrewth>	 @staff, do we or can we do anything about sites that redirect to one of our wikis, and not one for which we have control
[14:30:26] <sDrewth>	 facebok.fi -> fiwiki
[15:12:24] <Nemo_bis>	 sDrewth: what's the problem with that?
[15:13:02] <Nemo_bis>	 ah, that it *doesn't* redirect
[15:13:15] <Nemo_bis>	 str4nd: are you here for that one?
[15:14:20] <sDrewth>	 str4nd: brought it to me
[15:14:42] <Nemo_bis>	 if yes you can probably copy pietrodn's solution for wikipedia.it (our long-hated enemy)
[15:14:45] <Nemo_bis>	 if (mw.config.get('wgIsMainPage') && top != self) top.location.replace('http://toolserver.org/~pietrodn/wikipedia_redirect.php');
[15:14:52] <Nemo_bis>	 https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js
[15:16:00] <Nemo_bis>	 1257063 visitors saved so far from the helplessness of our legals ;)
[15:16:40] <Nemo_bis>	 (the first million was in the first month IIRC, then they lost their battle and changed their squatting techique)
[15:23:14] <str4nd>	 Nemo_bis, can we determine how many logins (and from which accounts) has logined via the proxy?
[15:23:27] <str4nd>	 rggh, engrish
[15:24:44] <str4nd>	 Nemo_bis, the ip is 50.19.183.254
[15:27:35] <Nemo_bis>	 str4nd: I don't know, but first thing to do is redirect people to correct place
[15:27:53] <str4nd>	 I'll do that
[15:27:56] <Nemo_bis>	 you cal also add a warning about the need to change passwords and whatever
[15:28:13] <Nemo_bis>	 and it will also give you an estimate of how many people were using it
[15:33:14] <str4nd>	 Roger, if we have the information of users, we could warn them directly
[22:29:46] <Nemo_bis>	 !log en.wiki job queue spiked from 1 to 3 millions in last 3 hours
[22:29:54] <morebots>	 Logged the message, Master
[22:29:55] <Nemo_bis>	 AaronSchulz: ^
[22:34:21] <apergos>	 have you had a look to see what templates might have been edited around the time of the spike?
[22:34:33] <apergos>	 gah I keep saying I am going to afk and then I don't
[22:34:46] <apergos>	 anyways Nemo_bis I would take a look at that
[22:34:50] <Nemo_bis>	 apergos: it started spiking immediately after wmf6 deploy
[22:34:56] <Nemo_bis>	 apergos: noooo sleep
[22:34:56] <apergos>	 even so
[22:35:00] <apergos>	 I am going to
[22:35:02] <Nemo_bis>	 or read, or whatever
[22:35:11] <Nemo_bis>	 Reedy: worth rollbacking to wmf5?
[22:35:29] <Nemo_bis>	 it will be at a few dozens millions by tomorrow
[22:35:54] <Nemo_bis>	 (tomorrow PST I mean)
[22:36:35] <apergos>	 I see some enwik refreshlinks2 going right now
[22:37:06] <Reedy>	 Ditto, there's a load of enwiki job queue activity
[22:37:30] <Reedy>	 (in the runjobs log)
[22:37:38] <apergos>	 yeah just looking there
[22:37:53] <apergos>	 I was also looking at a live run on one of the runner hosts
[22:38:21] <apergos>	 anyways I amm really
[22:38:24] <apergos>	 walking away
[22:38:28] <apergos>	 right. now.  
[22:38:55] <Nemo_bis>	 almost no changes in https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:RecentChangesLinked&hidebots=0&target=Wikipedia%3ADatabase_reports%2FTemplates_transcluded_on_the_most_pages
[22:39:24] <Nemo_bis>	 this was a hours after the spike started https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Coord/dec2dms/dms&curid=10530455&diff=528524429&oldid=388525547
[22:39:31] <Reedy>	 I'm confused how swapping to wmf6 would apparently grow at such a rate
[22:39:59] <Reedy>	 AaronSchulz: ^^^
[22:40:44] <Reedy>	 commons (for example) has < 1500 jobs
[22:44:11] <notpeter>	 fenari going down
[22:44:26] <hashar>	 !! :)
[22:44:26] <wm-bot>	 A red exclamation mark (!) in the recent changes or on your watchlist means that edit is not patrolled yet. Read more about patrolling at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Patrolled_edits and configuration at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgUseRCPatrol
[22:44:33] <hashar>	 !del !!
[22:44:51] <hashar>	 notpeter: good luck on that upgrade
[23:04:00] <AaronSchulz>	 notpeter: glad my screen finished a few days back :)
[23:04:07] <notpeter>	 heh
[23:04:30] <AaronSchulz>	 Reedy: meh, that's expected
[23:04:41] <AaronSchulz>	 it's ok as long as no problems are caused
[23:04:54] <Reedy>	 greeat :p
[23:04:58] <Reedy>	 Nemo_bis: ^
[23:06:12] * AaronSchulz  goes to back to finishing redis queue stuff

[23:09:05] <Reedy>	 Nemo_bis: Keep an eye on it...
[23:09:26] <Platonides>	 what's fenari uptime?
[23:11:12] <Reedy>	 reedy@fenari:/home/wikipedia/common$ uptime
[23:11:13] <Reedy>	  22:55:23 up 81 days, 20:17, 11 users,  load average: 2.27, 0.99, 0.45
[23:11:16] <Reedy>	 + 5 minutes or so
[23:11:23] <Susan>	 Hmmm.
[23:11:35] <notpeter>	 I'm going to have to upgrade again
[23:11:41] <notpeter>	 er
[23:11:41] <Susan>	 https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Home
[23:11:44] <notpeter>	 reboot
[23:11:45] <Susan>	 Images aren't loading for me there.
[23:11:46] <Reedy>	 Linux fenari 2.6.32-38-server #83-Ubuntu SMP Wed Jan 4 11:26:59 UTC 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[23:11:46] <Reedy>	 Ubuntu 10.04.3 LTS
[23:11:49] <Reedy>	 I was going to say ;)
[23:12:03] <Reedy>	 Susan: none of them?
[23:12:14] <Susan>	 upload.wikimedia.org over HTTPS seems slow.
[23:12:15] <notpeter>	 Reedy: Ubuntu over9000.04.1 LTS is the goal
[23:12:28] <Susan>	 Hmm, better now.
[23:12:30] <notpeter>	 Susan: yes, there are some issues. being worked on in ops
[23:12:32] <notpeter>	 er
[23:12:42] <notpeter>	   #wikimedia-operations
[23:14:51] <Susan>	 All right.
[23:16:48] <Reedy>	 mutante: lmfao
[23:20:08] <Nightdive>	 what would be the right channel for a server configuration issue (wrong mime-type) ?
[23:23:48] <Platonides>	 probably this
[23:23:54] <Platonides>	 or you can open a bug
[23:24:07] * Susan  eyes Reedy.

[23:25:16] <Nightdive>	 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=822216 : A webm video is served as text/plain and Gecko browser refuse to play text files
[23:26:11] <wolfgang42>	 Understandably so
[23:26:41] <wolfgang42>	 What if it was an asciimation though? Native asciimation support would be cool
[23:27:30] <Susan>	 Heh.
[23:27:47] <Nightdive>	 video/ascii is currently not supported :-)
[23:28:01] <Susan>	 Yet!
[23:28:05] <ragesoss>	 something is technically wrong.
[23:28:13] <Susan>	 Hi Sage.
[23:28:25] <Nightdive>	 so, should I file a bug in wikimedias bugzilla ?
[23:28:36] <Susan>	 Nightdive: Yes, please!
[23:28:48] <ragesoss>	 emails for watchlist changes are saying $CHANGEDORCREATED instead of the normal string.
[23:28:49] <Susan>	 https://bugs.wikimedia.org
[23:28:51] <Platonides>	 users in Europe use indeed a different dataserver
[23:29:14] <Susan>	 ragesoss: Silly. I think there's an open bug about that somewhere.
[23:29:20] <Susan>	 I saw a similar report that Nemo_bis was discussing.
[23:29:48] <Susan>	 ragesoss: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42752
[23:30:05] <Platonides>	 after purging, it returns audio/webm now
[23:30:37] <Susan>	 ragesoss: Seems like the same issue. You can leave a comment there if you'd like.
[23:30:44] <Susan>	 Also, props to Bugzilla's search for finding that bug.
[23:30:55] <ragesoss>	 cool beans, looks like people are on it already.
[23:30:57] <ragesoss>	 thanks
[23:30:58] <Nightdive>	 Platonides: that is a fast fix :-)
[23:31:28] * Susan  sends ragesoss back to field for further lolcat herding.

[23:31:40] <Susan>	 They're escaping.
[23:31:54] <Susan>	 Nightdive: Pages or media can be purged by appending "?action=purge" to the URL string.
[23:32:06] <Susan>	 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page?action=purge <-- Example.
[23:32:14] <Platonides>	 Nightdive, you're welcome :)
[23:32:27] <Platonides>	 in this case, it was http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Experience_ubuntu.ogg?action=purge
[23:32:55] <Susan>	 Platonides: You should comment on https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43215
[23:33:28] <Susan>	 And apologize for destroying the test case. ;-)
[23:33:48] <Nightdive>	 Susan: thanks for the tip. btw: I know what appending to an URL means, i come from the browser community :-)
[23:34:02] <Susan>	 Heh, fair.
[23:39:04] <notpeter>	 running slightly over my window due to ops meeting/lunch combo
[23:42:17] <Cobi>	 'The Wikipedia page "User talk:ClueBot Commons" has been $CHANGEDORCREATED on 17 December 2012 by anonymous user 182.18.209.15, with the edit summary: [[WP:AES|←]]Blanked the page'
[23:42:32] <Cobi>	 Did someone forget to substitute or use single quotes instead of double quotes?
[23:47:11] <Susan>	 Hi Cobi.
[23:47:26] <Susan>	 Cobi: Sounds like <https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42752>.
[23:48:42] <notpeter>	 fenari back up