[00:18:52] notpeter, I can ssh to fenari! Many thanks. BTW, /etc/motd says "The last Puppet run was at Thu Feb 16 19:13:00 UTC 2012 (32 minutes ago)." *February* ? [00:22:48] Wait, and how is that 32 minutes ago? :D Does it no longer update the motd when it runs? [00:23:22] -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 573 2012-03-15 01:49 /etc/motd [00:24:23] ahh, on other instances it's a symlink to /var/run/mtod, which is up-to-date [00:27:13] RoanKattouw I just got fenari access, but I don't think I have sudo rights. [00:29:35] No, you don't [00:29:47] You can file an RT ticket about it and a root will deal with it [00:30:41] RoanKattouw do I need sudo to perform an E3 deployment? [00:31:05] No [00:31:16] Basically only ops and some other special people have root [00:31:42] special people like RoanKattouw? :) [00:31:47] great, thanks. Thus the absence of `sudo` from http://wikitech.wikimedia.org/view/How_to_deploy_code . [00:32:21] Yes [00:32:23] And yes [00:32:33] The deployment system is set up such that mortals can use it [00:33:17] And yeah, I am one of those special people :) Tim is another [00:34:48] Probably unrelated, how do I get an account on wikitech.mediawiki.org ? RT ticket or simply pester an administrator like... Catrope :-) [00:36:10] It's wikitech.wikimedia.org [00:36:31] I'm not *quite* sure how you get an account there, so you should file an RT ticket and let ops figure it out [00:37:01] MW WM WMF, will do [00:38:02] hehe yeah I apologize on behalf of everyone who created this naming spaghetti over the past decade [00:38:04] spagewmf, I can make you an account on wikitech [00:38:05] username? [00:38:22] "S Page"? [00:39:35] Eloquence, I'm "SPage" on the office wiki, "S Page (WMF)" on public wikis, either's fine. [00:39:43] ok [00:40:14] you should have mail [01:06:24] Eloquence thanks... though I can't improve any pages as I'm not in group "editor". No big deal, a lot of wikitech users have no edit rights. [01:08:20] When was editing on that wiki restricted? [01:12:55] bleh [01:13:02] fixed [01:16:33] Jasper_Deng I'm not sure, wikitech does not seem to be configured through operations/mediawiki-config.git , probably why it's on 1.17wmf1 ;-) [01:16:58] it doesn't even appear to be on a Wikimedia IP [01:17:56] nah, it's run separately to be available in case of outage [01:18:11] Eloquence: what led to editing being restricted? [01:18:43] I see evidence (old vandalism) that it was openly edittable before. [01:19:14] no idea. I suspect they wanted to lock it down against vandalism from sleeper/spammer accounts or something like that [01:20:46] who's allowed to edit it, now? [01:21:31] huh, i never knew there was a separate editor group. but apparently i've been a member of that group since i was created. so the groups at least 22 months old [01:21:54] Jasper_Deng: presumably we're not granting new accounts to people that aren't also allowed to edit [01:22:19] group's* [01:22:27] who's allowed to edit? [01:23:09] Jasper_Deng, it looks like any user in the editor group can edit. typically anyone involved in deployments or ops work has access to that wiki [01:23:13] Jasper_Deng: it's fairly open. i think the bar is essentially "we've heard of you and you've been around for at least 12 hrs and seem to not be a vandal" [01:23:24] lol [01:23:35] I notice that everyone there appears to be either staff or those w/ shell access [01:23:41] but the bar is higher than other places because you have to ask for it [01:23:47] no, definitely not just those groups [01:23:48] b/c I don't believe MaxSem works for the foundation [01:24:04] he does [01:24:05] he's a contractor at least [01:24:45] there are many things out of date on that wiki, like the IPv6 deployment page [01:25:05] http://wikitech.wikimedia.org/view/IPv6_deployment [01:25:58] errr, i think out of date is to be expected and up to date is a nice surprise [01:26:14] yeah, that wiki tends to be neglected. and it ideally shouldn't be used for anything that's not critical info in case of an outage [01:26:22] Petrb ‎(editor) (Created on 2012-06-04 at 19:27:04) [01:26:22] Thehelpfulone ‎(editor) (Created on 2012-05-21 at 19:53:24) [01:26:31] so project planning stuff should really live on a publicly editable wiki like mediawiki.org [01:26:36] Johnduhart ‎(editor) (Created on 2011-11-03 at 00:07:18) [01:26:39] wait... I don't think those work for the foundation, does it [01:26:41] ? [01:26:42] i really don't think it's too hard [01:26:49] but I'd be happy to make you an account Jasper_Deng if you want to help with cleanup [01:26:57] sure [01:27:11] pls /msg me your email address [01:27:16] and desired username [01:27:35] use my on-wiki username (Jasper Deng) [01:28:11] I tried to figure out what sites Fenari serves (to update its wikitech page)... and found Apache2 config files in RCS 8-) [01:28:40] spagewmf: you should check puppet [01:28:58] spagewmf: some are served by it and some are proxied through it but then actually served by other boxen [01:34:42] Eloquence: oops [01:34:48] my e-mail has a typo [01:35:17] urgh [01:36:59] jermyb: are you able to fix that? [01:37:24] bleh [01:37:30] jeremyb* ;) [01:37:36] Jasper_Deng: nope [01:37:45] * Jasper_Deng needs a better keyboard [01:38:18] i was lucky: i messed up an address of a labs account I was creating for someone [01:38:23] no speical:passwordreset on that wiki [01:38:39] ugh... any 'crats on that wiki? [01:38:54] I'm a bureaucrat, is there another special page I can use to fix your account info? [01:39:28] but it turned out the user can receive mail at the place that I ended up putting in also. (was just a little extra prefixed on the beginning). so he can fix his email himself ;) [01:39:51] Eloquence: rename the existing account to something else, take its rights, then try again [01:39:59] this is when I wish it was possible to delete accounts [01:40:03] especially those w/o edits [01:40:12] there's a maint script for this ;) [01:40:20] no rename user extension either :p [01:40:29] so requires shell access to that wiki, most likely [01:40:38] I could block that account and give you one with a different name :) [01:41:07] ah, mediawiki. [01:41:27] * jeremyb suggests wait some hours and someone with shell can set a new email for you [01:41:30] yeah, create a new one called Jasper Deng (temp), and then we can wait for renameuser to be installed or a shell user to do something [01:41:35] actually [01:41:40] no [01:41:51] I'll wait for jeremyb's suggestion [01:43:27] jeremyb: who has shell on that wiki? [01:43:51] Jasper_Deng: most ops should. i haven't a clue how to find out how exactly though [01:43:55] besides asking people [01:44:11] i can ask some tomorrow if you like. /msg me your address [01:45:08] and then we can maybe get a list of people with access too ;) [01:45:26] s/how /who / [01:53:48] for reference (in case someone sees this and wants to fix it before I get to it), email for wikitech acct "Jasper Deng" should be set to the same address as the BZ acct address for the reporter of https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33853 [01:54:13] err [01:54:21] s/get to it/get to bug someone about it/ [01:55:36] * jeremyb sleeps [03:46:05] TimStarling ? [03:58:13] Jasper_Deng: jeremyb : user_email field on wikitech looks equal to email address on mentioned bugzilla bug [03:59:07] mutante: Tim fixed [03:59:16] aha, cool [03:59:25] :) bbl then [05:10:59] does anyone know what's wrong with http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Undelete/19h08min_de_19_de_Agosto_de_2011_%28hist%29_%28dif%29_Categoria:!Predefini%C3%A7%C3%B5es_para_o_dom%C3%ADnio_%22Anarcop%C3%A9dia%22_%28S%C3%B3_Voc%C3%AA%29 [05:11:01] ? [09:52:12] Jasper_Deng_away: do youu remember the author's username? [09:57:45] Reedy: is ar_content_format new in 1.21wmf2 ? [09:58:40] ie did you forget update.php [10:02:13] Nemo_bis: it's new [10:05:17] aude: thanks, can you also paste DESCRIBE archive on https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Archive_table ? :) [10:24:01] Nemo_bis: ok [10:27:25] Nemo_bis: can you fix the color on https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template:MW_1.21 [10:27:31] * aude not sure what it's supposed to be [10:28:50] aude: ok [10:28:54] thanks [11:02:03] hi.. does anybody know how to copy templates on mediawiki to another template? [11:02:13] any idea guys? [12:26:38] they always go away 5 min before I get to answer [12:32:06] looks like they asked in #mediawiki [13:32:52] I wonder if there is a way to know the parent category of particular category in a Wkipedia page (sub to super relation)? [13:40:00] Rainfall: I'm not sure that's what you want, but if you go on a category page, eg. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:The_Beatles_songs [13:40:21] You can see sub categories at the top and parent categories at the bottom [13:42:27] I mean that, suppose we are on any wikipedia article. I know how to extract the categories from this page. What I don't know is that, how to extract the parents of those categories [13:45:08] Rainfall: Per hand on the page or using the API for machine readable access? [13:46:41] how abouy by API? [13:46:55] abouy = about [13:52:38] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&prop=categories&format=json&cllimit=100&generator=categories&titles=Every%20Little%20Thing%20(song)&gcllimit=100 [13:53:10] Rainfall: ^ That gives the categories form https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Every_Little_Thing_%28song%29 and their parents as JSON [13:57:20] mutante: Jasper_Deng_away: cool [13:57:39] mutante: so is there some list of people that have access to the linode? [14:00:26] Rainfall: For API documentation see https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API [14:07:11] another point, can I use the API to extract the textual data with preserving the interlink tags i.e. [[link]]? [14:07:40] Rainfall: You mean the raw wiki text? [14:08:21] yes with out the mediwiki tags except for links in the text [14:08:47] Rainfall: Like this? https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Main_Page&action=raw [14:09:02] You can get that in via the API as well, but that's more straightforward, I guess [14:10:31] this gives the raw with tags? what I want is the text only with no tags except the tags for links [14:12:16] I'm not sure what exactly you want... action=raw gives you the plain wiki code... you can either get that or a parsed version of it, but nothing in between [14:12:26] I want to get rid of tables images lists ...etc, just perserve the textual data with links in it [14:13:08] Shall I give you an example to clarify my inquiry, I think I did not explain this well [14:13:49] might be good, yes [14:15:59] Using https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Every_Little_Thing_(song)&action=raw, result in producing the raw data of the selected title. What I really want is to extract JUST the paragraphs with NO tables, lists, images .etc. For thoses extracted paragraphs, I want the link-tags, i.e. [[]], to be not removed. [14:18:52] Therefore, the result desired should look like: http://pastebin.com/WgSVqzSA [14:19:20] neat and clean [14:20:06] I can see, yes... that's not possible with our API, you need to do that at your own somehow :/ [14:20:35] Any suggestions based on your experience? [14:21:52] Rainfall: See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28technical%29/Archive_100#I.27m_looking_for_a_download_of_some_of_Wikipedia_as_plain_text. [14:51:11] hashar: could you deploy https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/28219 (throttle rule for a tomorrow workshop) please? [14:53:02] Dereckson: looking :-) [14:55:33] Thank you. [14:57:22] Dereckson: that is deployed live. [15:23:56] anyone with shell access around? [16:59:06] is there a tracking bug for newly introduced contenthandler issues? i'd like to link to it in an announcement on pl.wiki :) [17:19:20] hi all, I have a metalink download with many commons urls (50, but will later be 250) and when I try to download them all with aria2 most of them (all but 2) return HTTP 500 [17:19:44] I can manually copy and visit any of those URLs in my browser [17:22:12] dMaggot: Just some ideas: Try wget/ curl maybe? Also you might want to use wireshark or smth. like that to debug that deeper [17:28:12] hoo|away: curl works fine for those URLs [17:29:16] dMaggot: mhm, probably aria2 does smth. "evil" with the request then [18:13:58] Can I make a wikipedia account [18:14:12] Sure you can. [18:14:21] http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UserLogin&returnto=Special%3AContributions%2FOsarius&type=signup [18:14:36] Oops ignore that one [18:14:40] Remeber this channel is publicly logged [18:14:49] Speak the truth [18:14:56] And only the truth [18:15:58] 1)Can I make an account? [18:17:42] idlePRO: yeah you can make an account [18:18:55] 2)Are there any sort of direct/indirect fees invloved, at all? [18:23:17] well [18:23:23] answer me [18:23:51] Why would there be any fees? [18:25:05] Have a nice day pplz [18:25:12] I am a gangster [18:25:20] I am a good gangster [18:25:33] idlePRO: there are no fees [18:25:38] Good [18:25:48] idlePRO: we're a not for profit [18:25:53] But I am still a gangster [18:26:05] Are gangsters welcome to wikipedia [18:26:46] I m a gangster [18:26:48] we do not ask for your business affiliation [18:27:11] i am a very nice gangster [18:27:38] Would you require a photograph of me [18:28:24] #wikimedia-operations [18:29:04] idlePRO: uhh.. yes. no and no and lay off excess white powder [18:30:00] Have you forgotten me already [18:36:52] #defocus [18:36:59] Thehelpfulone, around? [20:48:17] have the updates started (to 1.21wmf2)? [20:48:31] cause there seems to be a problem with thumbnail generation/cache [20:49:19] malafaya: commons is still on wmf1 [20:49:22] most wikis are, in fact [20:50:03] out of production wikis, only mediawiki.org is on wmf2 right now [20:50:04] there is a problem with [[File:Flag of Spain.svg|30px]] at pt.wikt and pt.wiki [20:50:14] the image is not generated [20:50:19] any other resolution seems to work tough [20:51:26] https://pt.wiktionary.org/wiki/Predefini%C3%A7%C3%A3o:-es- [20:51:43] malafaya: 1.21wmf2 on ptwikt is scheduled for Wednesday [20:52:08] And ptwiki the Wednesday after [20:52:10] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_1.21/Roadmap [20:52:16] Thanks, RoanKattouw. can you think of any other reason for the broken thumbnail? [20:52:19] I don't know [20:52:35] I do know that ops is trying to fix redirect loops for some private wikis right now [23:29:28] gn8 folks