[01:33:23] Every time I try to do a git review from inside my mediawiki-config checkout I get the following error: [01:33:33] error: The following untracked working tree files would be overwritten by checkout: [01:33:33] docroot/foundation/levée_de_fonds.html [01:33:43] which is a file I've never touched [01:33:56] even doing git reset --hard doesn't fix it [01:34:15] Reedy: Any ideas? ^ [01:35:56] and even though it says it's untracked, if I delete the file the diff shows that I'm removing it's contents from the repo. [14:01:13] could anyone explain to me how this is possible: nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Logs/Testentesten123 a *user account* hiding a moodbar feedback??! [14:01:22] http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Logs/Testentesten123 [14:01:47] I thought that should only be possible for sysops? [14:10:30] SilverSpoon: Autoconfirmed users Alter visibility on the feedback dashboard (moodbar-admin) [14:10:36] https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciaal:GroepsrechtenWeergeven [14:11:02] I see [14:11:04] thank you Nemo_bis [14:11:11] there's so much crap there, that it would probably be too much work for any amount of sysops; any reason why it shouldn't be like this? [14:11:20] you're welcome [14:12:08] I was hoping it wasn't a bug that normal users could somehow hide pages [14:12:13] :) [14:33:54] WMF's sites APIs require everyone to supply a user-agent. are there statistics about user-agents used available anywhere or per request? [14:39:06] like http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportClients.htm? [14:41:24] Damianz: looks nice, but i'm looking specifically for requests made to /w/api.php [14:42:00] i'm surprised at the number of peeps on IE7 [14:42:05] not sure, I know most those stats are sampled from everything... sure someone on anylitics can tell you [14:42:24] LeslieCarr: The number on IE6 is just scary [14:43:17] yeah, it's pretty huge [14:43:23] how is our ie6 support ? [14:43:32] i know many sites have just given up on it [14:45:08] I think we should charge them 50$ to use wikipedia and just not do the fundraiser, pushing security and saving dev time clearly a bonus [14:45:16] :) [14:45:32] I swaer there's a shopping site that charges like 15% for orders via ie6 for their dev time [14:45:45] haha [14:45:47] that's awesome [14:45:56] there's a guy on pl.wikipedia who still uses IE5 on Win98, i think. *shudder* [14:46:11] i've helped him debug stuff once or twice. it hurt. [14:46:29] I want to find a copy of netscape communicator just to screw with the data team :D [14:46:49] interestingly, he's still able to edit on it, so i guess the support isnt bad ;) [14:47:14] Probably will fail badly when the new editor goes out as it's all nody and jsish [14:49:01] you guys are not going to make wikipedia non-editable without JS, are you? [14:49:57] Doubt it, I just know it's suppose to make editing easier for anyone who doesn't want to leak wikimarkup (and maybe mobile shiz). [14:55:22] since when do autoconfirmed users have the moodbar admin right? and why? is there a related log on bugzilla or so? see https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciaal:GroepsrechtenWeergeven [15:35:10] The server at nl.wikipedia.org is taking too long to respond. <-- okay [15:35:21] Seems down for me [15:35:35] yeah, we're getting pages [15:35:40] and looking at it [15:36:01] connectivitty problems at esams? [15:36:02] Is today everything breaking day or something [15:36:26] we're moving stuff around today [15:36:28] at esams [15:36:45] no, that 'll be the 21st of december of this year ;) [15:37:26] 21st? Meh it's when you get people ringing you on the 25th around lunchtime, the only reponse that comes to mind is 'get a life' [15:37:40] lol :P [15:38:06] Well wikipedia is more down than amazon, at least they just gave back an error from the lbs earlier heh [15:40:59] Can't access WMF sites from Europe. [15:41:08] we're aware of it and working on it [15:41:24] secure.wikimedia.org through US is possible [15:41:59] ewww secure [15:42:06] seems to be back yay [15:42:08] could you update the status (i.e. not "Status: All good") [15:42:15] it's back now [15:42:31] Not for me [15:42:40] it's ruddy slow but just about up for me [15:43:17] Oh yeah [15:43:25] not responding here. [15:43:41] Did we not kill secure already? :D [15:43:48] slooow [15:44:06] no stylesheets [15:44:07] rillke: would make a nice status ;) [15:44:44] please be a little patient, we're aware and working on it [15:45:51] of course. thx. [15:46:15] As a side note, https seems to work better [15:46:19] WereSpielChequers reports from London that en-wiki and Commons are down. [15:46:32] meta's not working for me right now (Manchester) [15:46:45] things are fine for me (in the US) [15:46:51] PANICCC!!! [15:47:00] actually [15:47:08] actually, I can access the page, but very slow and unformatted. [15:47:14] en wiki is very slow here, but looks OK [15:47:15] panic first, ask questions later [15:47:19] I have access to meta fine [15:47:21] fast access [15:47:24] I am in brussels [15:47:32] dewp is very slow from germany [15:47:50] I am the only person with fast access to them wikis form europe? [15:47:58] I'll tell WereSpielChequers to panic, and we'll sort out the details later. [15:48:27] I have a question, is there an update on wiki renames? [15:48:32] looks like bits is the problem [15:48:38] it wasnt possible for technical reasons [15:50:19] DaBPunkt how is germany btw [15:50:25] I heard Germany survived another beer fest [15:50:25] rainy [15:50:51] Germany is the place to be for beer fests :D [15:51:07] they hold them once a year though [15:51:08] I think [15:56:59] bits was giving us trouble in Europe, we've redirected it to the US for the moment [15:57:10] it should take at most ~6 more minutes to take effect. [16:01:13] actually, our servers went to oktoberfest … and we all know cpu's and beer don't mix [16:01:45] paravoid: hey, it doesn't look too bad without bits, you know [16:02:43] I missed oktoberfest in Dublin :( [16:05:27] paravoid: http://tools.wikimedia.pl/~odder/Meta-without-bits.png is what I got [16:05:35] I'd say it's quite acceptable [16:05:42] Looks much more 90's [16:06:00] haha [16:07:09] reminds me of meatballwiki [16:08:24] that's a lot better than i thought it would look :) [16:09:25] and BTW, not only we have problems -- meatballwiki reports HTML 500 [16:30:36] or not [16:32:15] seems good now, after a few hiccups [16:36:54] a [16:36:57] sorry [17:45:58] Is either of these URLs faster or more performant: https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php vs. https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/meta/w/index.php [17:46:09] do not use secure [17:46:27] it's slower, ugly, badly designed and obsolete [17:46:38] cool, I'll change it now [17:46:39] and replaced by proper https [17:47:04] we've been contemplating on putting redirects in place [17:47:19] we really should at some point [17:57:16] paravoid: can we jfdi? [17:57:33] can we what? [17:58:02] put the secure.wm.o redirects into production [17:58:40] yeah I guess it's been low priority for a while, maybe I should do that next week [17:58:51] I'm certainly not going to do it on a Friday night :) [18:00:00] awwwwwww [18:31:16] any progress on wiki renames? [18:35:30] are you kidding? :p [18:50:29] Reedy: Would like to get this config change merged in before Wednesday if possible: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/27760/ [18:50:41] I could merge myself, but like to have a 2nd pair of eyes :) [19:37:26] uh https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikivoyage_migration/Extensions [19:41:05] Nemo_bis: uh what? [19:42:31] csteipp: I'm positively surprised by the things getting momentum and most of all curious of what's going to happen [19:44:06] so did we officially choose wikivoyage as the name ? [19:44:18] and is jorm making a pretty logo ? [19:44:45] the poll is still running til Tuesday [19:45:04] but yeah unless there's a mysterious dark horse candidate gaining traction, it'll be wikivoyage [19:45:42] logo suggestions are being collected here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Travel_Guide/Logo [19:46:02] <^demon|busy> Logo contests are always fun :) [19:46:15] <^demon|busy> I really want us to refresh the MW logo via a contest. [19:46:37] we definitely need to get rid of the double square brackets post visual editor [19:46:47] Eloquence: no pretty jorm entry ? :( [19:47:23] LeslieCarr, maybe you can persuade jorm to spend some of his island vacation time on it. then again, maybe not :p [19:48:17] i dunno, he's been on irc a lot... [19:48:47] <^demon|busy> Eloquence: I dunno, I kind of like the brackets + flower. Just needs a major refresh. [19:49:05] <^demon|busy> Also, I'm old school and don't want to give up [[wikitext]] :) [20:20:35] !log Confirmed all swift -> netapp sync scripts finished (s4 one kept dying to random http errors) [20:20:44] * AaronSchulz needs more retries in that [20:20:46] Logged the message, Master [20:49:47] why is http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Celler_Cooperatiu_%28el_Pinell_de_Brai%29_-_1.jpg refusing to purge that thumbnail? [23:14:46] gn8 folks [23:30:42] hi [23:30:58] does somebody know the answer to this question? [23:31:02] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual_talk:Page_table#page_is_redirect_vs_redirects_table [23:32:02] the manual for the redirects table mentions that very old records might be missing [23:32:32] but much more records are missing from the page_is_redirect column, why is that? [23:56:12] tgr, the solution is probably to check if page_is_redirect or in the redirect table [23:56:35] scanning for #REDIRECT would fail on other language wikis, where it may be translated, btw