[00:40:43] <p858snake|l>	 spagewmf: you have editbugs now
[00:42:32] <spagewmf>	 p858snake, thanks!  Should new WMF hires in engineering get editbugs by default?
[00:42:54] <p858snake|l>	 spagewmf: that is a question you would need to ask TimStarling
[00:43:07] <p858snake|l>	 I'm just a mere mortal in bugzilla
[00:43:14] <TimStarling>	 probably
[01:09:23] <spagewmf>	  There are a bunch of pages from 2010 like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:User_experience_feedback that talk of  "Beta improvements" and "recent changes to Wikipedia".  Are they talking about the Vector skin and the simpler editing bar?
[01:09:44] <Jasper_Deng>	 yeah
[01:09:50] <Jasper_Deng>	 in 2009/2010
[01:09:56] <Jasper_Deng>	 Vector was called "Try Beta"
[01:10:55] <spagewmf>	 And that's what Special:Preferences > Beta features refers to? .... three years later 8-/
[01:11:39] <Jasper_Deng>	 I don't see a "Beta" section anymore
[01:11:41] <Jasper_Deng>	 in my prefs
[01:12:10] <Jasper_Deng>	 but, I'd reccon that it /was/ a pref
[01:12:33] <spagewmf>	 Preferences > Editing > Beta for me, on all wikis, but maybe you only get it if you use Vector?
[01:13:15] * Jasper_Deng  checks prefs again

[01:13:33] <Jasper_Deng>	 I don't see a "Beta" section in the Editing section
[01:13:36] <Jasper_Deng>	 of the prefs
[01:15:23] <spagewmf>	 I switched to Cologne and still have it. On Editing page "Beta features  [] Enable enhanced editing toolbar [] Enable dialogs for inserting links, tables and more" Hmm.
[01:15:44] <Jasper_Deng>	 I see those
[01:16:01] <Jasper_Deng>	 but they're under a section called "Usability features"
[01:16:04] <Jasper_Deng>	 (on enwiki)
[01:23:29] <p858snake|l>	 en.wiki probably renamed it
[01:23:36] <p858snake|l>	 Beta Features is the default name for it
[01:34:14] <spagewmf>	 p858snake, Jasper_Deng yup,  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Prefs-beta renamed it. I guess someone besides me thought calling a 3-year old effort from a disbanded team on an abandoned wiki "Beta features" didn't make sense.
[01:38:59] <spagewmf>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Vector "is part of a sitewide beta test, which you can access by clicking the Try Beta link next to your username, here."   arrghh!!
[01:39:30] <Damianz>	 Beta in the sense of un-supported, we have an excuse when it breaks ;)
[01:39:43] <spagewmf>	 Three years on?!
[01:41:01] <Damianz>	 The oldest thing at my work that was in 'beta' was pushing 5 years, it got to the point where I got so fed up of replying to tickets with 'un-supported' I just turned the server off.
[01:42:51] <spagewmf>	 The Wiki parser should automatically insert (in 2009) whenever someone writes "is" and (as of 2009) whenever someone writes "will".  Pre-emptive janitorial cleanup.
[01:50:39] <TimStarling>	 !log depooled precise appservers and stopped job runners on precise servers
[01:50:50] <morebots>	 Logged the message, Master
[01:53:28] <TimStarling>	 !log on hume: running updateCollation.php with --force for bug 40462
[01:53:38] <morebots>	 Logged the message, Master
[02:27:55] <logmsgbot>	 !log LocalisationUpdate completed (1.20wmf12) at Mon Sep 24 02:27:55 UTC 2012
[02:28:07] <morebots>	 Logged the message, Master
[02:43:58] <Brooke>	 Will as of 2009 Smith
[02:44:17] <Jasper_Deng>	 ?
[02:44:23] <Brooke>	 ¿
[02:44:33] <Jasper_Deng>	 ??
[02:44:47] <Jasper_Deng>	 Brooke	Will as of 2009 Smith
[02:53:05] <logmsgbot>	 !log LocalisationUpdate completed (1.20wmf11) at Mon Sep 24 02:53:05 UTC 2012
[02:53:16] <morebots>	 Logged the message, Master
[03:24:01] <Bsadowski1>	 Brooke
[03:24:26] <Bsadowski1>	 Do you know why sometimes a block action will come up in a different language if on an English wiki?
[03:24:32] <Bsadowski1>	 Only on IRC.
[03:24:40] <Bsadowski1>	 Not on RC at the wiki.
[03:24:48] <Bsadowski1>	 <MrFishBot> Kww changed block settings for [[User:Zhoban]] with an expiry time of 2 weeks (registreren gebruikers geblokkeerd): Abusing [[WP:Sock puppetry|multiple accounts]];
[03:24:51] <Bsadowski1>	 For example ^
[04:04:35] <Brooke>	 Bsadowski1: Maybe Zhoban has his language set to German?
[04:04:42] <Brooke>	 Or Dutch or whatever that is.
[08:13:59] <deo_>	 hi all .. is there a default admin account for mediawiki?
[09:19:44] <logmsgbot>	 !log hashar synchronized wmf-config/InitialiseSettings.php  '(bug 40186) Favicon for es.wiktionary'
[09:19:55] <morebots>	 Logged the message, Master
[09:23:49] <logmsgbot>	 !log hashar synchronized wmf-config/InitialiseSettings.php  '(bug 40436) Namespaces configuration for se.wikipedia'
[09:23:59] <morebots>	 Logged the message, Master
[09:34:22] <logmsgbot>	 !log hashar synchronized docroot/bits/static-master/  '(bug 40419) extension assets not available on beta (aka add docroot/bits/static-master'
[09:34:32] <morebots>	 Logged the message, Master
[10:31:37] <Nemo_bis>	 Dereckson: are you going to do the other wiktionaries favicons as well?
[11:27:24] <hashar>	 Nemo_bis: will depend on the community ;)
[11:27:54] <hashar>	 I am not sure if we have a way to contact all wiktionary communities
[11:28:00] <hashar>	 or we could be bold and change them all :-]
[11:34:16] <deo_>	 hi all, i already loaded the LDAP Plugin.. and now i can't login with my sysop account... how do i create one??
[11:34:33] <deo_>	 please help
[11:39:02] <hashar>	 deo_: it is in the FAQ : http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:LDAP_Authentication/FAQ#I_installed_the_extension.2C_but_now_I_don.27t_have_a_Sysop_user.3B_how_do_I_give_myself_Sysop_rights.3F  ;)
[12:52:43] <Nemo_bis>	 hashar: no, what I asked to Dereckson doesn't require further community action
[12:53:01] <hashar>	 Nemo_bis: go ahead and fill a bug so :-)
[12:53:12] <Nemo_bis>	 hashar: there's already one
[17:59:22] <Reedy>	 AaronSchulz: SwiftFileBackend::doStoreInternal: Unexpected response ()
[18:01:46] <Reedy>	 enwiki tiem
[18:02:52] <logmsgbot>	 !log reedy rebuilt wikiversions.cdb and synchronized wikiversions files: enwiki to 1.20wmf12
[18:03:02] <morebots>	 Logged the message, Master
[18:03:08] <Reedy>	 Fatal error:  Undefined class constant 'PERCENT' in /usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.20wmf12/extensions/Scribunto/engines/LuaSandbox/Engine.php on line 17
[18:11:46] <robla>	 Reedy: anything else showing up in the logs?
[18:11:58] <Reedy>	 Nope
[18:12:14] <Reedy>	 And that error isn't from enwiki either
[18:12:33] <robla>	 yeah, I figured that....unless we did a stealth deploy of Lua to enwiki  :)
[18:14:10] <robla>	 Reedy: I've got another deployment request for this window.  There's a couple of bugfixes to TimedMediaHandler that need to go in.  Should only affect test2
[18:14:27] <Reedy>	 and test, I think
[18:14:41] <robla>	 I guess so
[18:14:51] <Reedy>	 yeah, it's enabled on both
[18:15:02] <logmsgbot>	 !log hashar synchronized wmf-config/filebackend-wmflabs.php  'beta: disable commons as a default foreign file repo'
[18:15:13] <morebots>	 Logged the message, Master
[18:15:57] <robla>	 Reedy: could you update TMH to the latest master rev?
[18:17:08] <robla>	 and then I'll want to hear about your trip  :)
[18:18:54] <Reedy>	 Looks like MwEmbedSupport is still at master on wmf12
[18:21:15] <Reedy>	 I think 7 out 9 flights had delays...
[18:23:47] <robla>	 aw, man!
[18:26:53] <robla>	 oh, hmmm, I wonder if AaronSchulz updated TMH as a result of deploying the Cortado fix
[18:27:36] <AaronSchulz>	 nope
[18:28:18] <robla>	 I was just about to say: http://test2.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Version sez Sat, 15 Sep 2012 19:54:12 +0000 (19:54 +0000) commit 5351eb29127fa1d258660a69f5b52e2c69ed80ca
[18:28:48] <RoanKattouw>	 Nikerabbit: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40481
[18:28:55] <matanya>	 on which cluster does he.wiki sit?
[18:28:59] <matanya>	 S?
[18:29:44] <RoanKattouw>	 s3 I believe
[18:30:02] <matanya>	 thanks
[18:31:57] <robla>	 Reedy: we need TMH to pick up Michael Dale's September 20 commit (d8277b2f0642f72) "ensure the playhead is updated in the main monitor function"
[18:32:06] <Reedy>	 yeah
[18:35:39] * Reedy  waits for things to finish updating locally

[18:38:42] <Nikerabbit>	 RoanKattouw: why me?
[18:39:02] <RoanKattouw>	 Nikerabbit: It's a fatal in Message.php and I didn't quite know who to ping otherwise
[18:39:20] <Nikerabbit>	 it's a bug in MessageCache
[18:39:56] <Nikerabbit>	 most likely this:     851                 if ( $this->mInParser ) {
[18:39:56] <Nikerabbit>	     852                         return htmlspecialchars( $text );
[18:39:56] <Nikerabbit>	     853                 }
[18:40:30] <Nikerabbit>	 so most likely some code calling messages inside parser or something
[18:40:33] <Nikerabbit>	 could be anything
[18:54:18] <pgehres>	 !log added new columns to fundraising contribution_tracking table
[18:54:28] <morebots>	 Logged the message, Master
[18:58:30] <solstag>	 hi, does anybody know where or to whom should I request that the limit on user account creation be lifted for some IP address?
[18:58:46] <Reedy>	 bugzilla, usually
[19:01:16] <solstag>	 Reedy: hm, ok! thanks
[19:14:26] <logmsgbot>	 !log reedy synchronized php-1.20wmf12/extensions/TimedMediaHandler  'Updating to master'
[19:14:36] <morebots>	 Logged the message, Master
[19:14:49] <robla>	 heh...funny, I was just about to ask
[19:44:07] <ori-l>	 RoanKattouw: you can abandon https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/10669/ for a free gerrit inbox reduction
[19:50:22] <RoanKattouw>	 ori-l: Done, thanks
[19:51:35] <ori-l>	 thank you
[20:09:02] <spagewmf>	 Anyone know when Vector became the default skin?   
[20:11:02] <^demon>	 I made the commit at some point.
[20:12:09] <^demon>	 spagewmf: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/66383
[20:12:31] <saper>	 spagewmf: Date:   Thu May 13 19:50:59 2010 +0000