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[05:09:04] <lexein>	 I have a tech related Wikimedia archive question: what happened to this: http://fundraising.wikimedia.org/en/fundcore/browse/2007 ?
[05:09:26] <lexein>	 It redirects to a plain fundraising request
[05:09:36] <Matthew_>	 "page not found"
[05:09:40] <jeremyb>	 right
[05:09:50] <jeremyb>	 lexein: maybe ask during the week?
[05:09:57] <jeremyb>	 lexein: also try #wikimedia-fundraising
[05:10:19] <lexein>	 Oh is it Saturday already?  Nah, it's Friday! ;)
[05:10:56] <lexein>	 Fair enough.  The above url was cited in several online resources, I was hoping to fact-check the claims made against it.
[05:11:04] <jeremyb>	 well week can be assumed to end at 5pm friday. (either eastern or pacific)
[05:11:15] <lexein>	 hee
[05:11:27] <jeremyb>	 you could try wayback maybe
[05:11:56] <lexein>	 The only archived copy of that page says 404 as well.  Weird, and unhappy-making.
[05:12:32] * jeremyb  refers to #wikimedia-fundraising again

[05:14:29] <lexein>	 Yup. Cheers.
[05:44:44] <Nemo_bis>	 "Failed asserting that false is true" https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40432 -> should it be assigned to Gorgias?
[05:47:29] <Nemo_bis>	 lexein: that's WMF's CiviCRM isn't it
[05:57:50] <michiel043>	 hi - i've got a problem with the search-field in the upper right corner.
[05:58:37] <michiel043>	 the cursor positiosn before the S of Search, and than neither the end-key nor the delete-key works
[05:59:00] <michiel043>	 in other applications (google etc) i do not have this problem
[06:00:28] <michiel043>	 i asked someone on nl:wiki who says not to hace this problem
[06:02:22] <michiel043>	 firefox 15.0.1 on Windows 7
[06:02:40] <Jasper_Deng>	 strange indeed
[06:03:27] <michiel043>	 cant remeber when i waqs the last time in the wiki; but can not be long ago
[06:06:06] <michiel043>	 for the rest no problems on my machine - regular scans etc
[06:07:43] <michiel043>	 in the articles themselves everything is ok
[06:08:29] <michiel043>	 where do i reprot this?
[06:08:35] <michiel043>	 report
[06:14:23] <michiel043>	 hi - where do i report technical problems?
[06:14:25] <Nemo_bis>	 michiel043: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/enter_bug.cgi?assigned_to=wikibugs-l%40lists.wikimedia.org&attachurl=&blocked=&bug_file_loc=http%3A%2F%2F&bug_severity=major&bug_status=NEW&cf_browser=---&cf_platform=---&comment=&component=Skin%3A%20Vector&contenttypeentry=&contenttypemethod=autodetect&contenttypeselection=text%2Fplain&data=&dependson=&description=&form_name=enter_bug&keywords=&maketemplate=Remember%20values%20as%20bookmarkable%20temp
[06:16:13] <Nemo_bis>	 michiel043: please link the bug here when you're done
[06:18:06] <michiel043>	 'If you have an account, but have forgotten your password, enter your login name below and submit a request to change your password.'
[06:18:15] <michiel043>	 'The e-mail address you entered (michiel043) didn't pass our syntax checking for a legal email address. A legal address must contain exactly one '@', and at least one '.' after the @. It also must not contain any illegal characters. '
[06:18:43] <michiel043>	 i enter my username and it says that was not an email adress
[06:20:43] <closedmouth>	 ...
[06:20:44] <michiel043>	 ah - login must be emailadres
[06:23:46] <michiel043>	 pff - one needs a PhD to fill in this form
[06:34:55] <Nemo_bis>	 michiel043: uh? most fields should be hidden to you?
[06:35:06] <Nemo_bis>	 or do you mean the signup form
[06:41:21] <michiel043>	 i a) i looked in the 'most freqently reported bug list' -> no hit
[06:42:13] <michiel043>	 b) i did a advanded search on open bug in MediaWiki with keyword seach -> no hits
[06:43:10] <michiel043>	 do i now report a new bug?
[06:44:30] <michiel043>	 @nemo_bis i meant the signup form - it suggests you enter an username but one has to enter an emailadress
[06:45:17] <michiel043>	 is the a MediaWIki problem?
[06:45:30] <michiel043>	 is this a MediaWiki problem?
[06:46:17] <michiel043>	 user interface?
[06:49:40] <Nemo_bis>	 michiel043: have you registered on bugzilla?
[06:49:58] <Nemo_bis>	 when you're logged in just use the link I provided above
[06:53:20] <michiel043>	 yes i'm trying to use my small technical abilities in my limites english to describe my pb
[06:54:17] <michiel043>	 how do i know what version mediawiki i run?
[06:59:08] <michiel043>	 sh*t in the 'component description' box i can'n enter nothing either- i have no focus?
[07:00:14] <michiel043>	 do how do i enter a bug?
[07:00:30] <michiel043>	 how do i submit a bug?
[07:02:37] <michiel043>	 or what test should i do on my machine before bothering you?
[07:02:46] <michiel043>	 tests
[07:09:02] <michiel043>	 or does someone want to enter a bug for me - user 'michiel043 can't enter bugs in https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=MediaWiki in the 'Component Description'- field ???
[07:14:03] <michiel043>	 jes im on https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=MediaWiki
[07:14:23] <michiel043>	 hi sieb
[07:27:06] <Nemo_bis>	 michiel043: ok, I'll file the bug for you
[07:27:30] <Nemo_bis>	 but did you register? otherwise I can't cc you, they'll probably need more info at some point
[07:28:09] <p858snake|l>	 michiel043: You type in the "summary" and "description" fields, not the "Component Description" box
[07:28:24] <michiel043>	 yes i'm in as m.schweitzer@ziggo.nl
[07:29:05] <michiel043>	 my first and biggest problem is that i can't enter bugs
[07:30:19] <michiel043>	 and the seach field is something different because there i can overtype the 'search'
[07:32:43] <p858snake|l>	 which browser are you using?
[07:33:16] <michiel043>	 @nemo_bis - i made a mistake - i'll try again
[07:33:25] <michiel043>	 not very user friendly the form
[07:33:40] <michiel043>	 firefox `15.0.1
[07:42:04] <michiel043>	 @Nemo_bis - something like this? - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40441#c0
[07:57:07] <Nemo_bis>	 michiel043: yes
[07:57:19] <Nemo_bis>	 michiel043: so you basically can't type anything there?
[07:57:27] <Nemo_bis>	 (in the search)
[07:57:58] <michiel043>	 yes i can overtpe the word 'Search'
[07:58:49] <Nemo_bis>	 michiel043: does it happen also on en.wikipedia.org for instance?
[07:59:29] <michiel043>	 but i always want to start with a clean input-field (my neurose?)
[08:00:26] <michiel043>	 and as far i can remember it always worked that way
[08:00:50] <Nemo_bis>	 ah ok I see it now
[08:01:29] <michiel043>	 yes it is the same on en:wiki
[08:02:07] <michiel043>	 it always worked in the 'right manner' as that the keys did work
[08:06:32] <Nemo_bis>	 michiel043: yes, I don't use Vector but that's what I remember as well
[08:08:23] <Nemo_bis>	 I've always disliked Vector's search bar nonetheless
[08:08:43] <michiel043>	 i always used monobook - i'll try
[08:09:41] <michiel043>	 yes that helps
[08:10:08] <michiel043>	 so now i close my bugreprot is suppose
[08:13:04] <Nemo_bis>	 michiel043: no
[08:13:11] <Nemo_bis>	 the report is valid
[08:14:47] <michiel043>	 ok thanks
[08:17:47] <michiel043>	 i added the bit about the vectot-skin
[08:18:11] <Nemo_bis>	 michiel043: and if you have problems with English you can write in Dutch, at least Krinkle will understand you
[08:18:34] <michiel043>	 you did understand it though?
[08:19:42] <michiel043>	 did you change the platform and the release fields?
[08:20:03] <michiel043>	 i entered them now the are reset to all-all
[08:21:17] <michiel043>	 i entered them again
[08:21:34] <michiel043>	 thanks all
[16:15:36] <Nemo_bis>	 Dereckson: I don't know if it's the blog's fault, maybe something went wrong on my end
[16:15:45] <Nemo_bis>	 but I was pretty sure I had posted it...
[16:16:06] <Nemo_bis>	 too bad, I was satisfied with my survey :)
[16:40:17] <Dereckson>	 Nemo_bis: I sympathize, it's always annoying when our browser fails, the server lost the session, etc. and we lost a post.
[16:42:18] <Nemo_bis>	 Dereckson: great, now add this very same comment on https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37992 please 
[16:42:22] <Nemo_bis>	 :p ^^
[17:23:41] <Dereckson>	 Nemo_bis: were in spam 
[17:25:01] <Dereckson>	 Nemo_bis: I agree with you for incubator namespace not to include in stats
[18:12:49] <Tpt>	 Can someone review and push to the production server this change: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/24664/ ?
[18:12:52] <Tpt>	 It's a bug that break some pages on pl Wikisource.
[18:12:53] <Tpt>	 I can merge the change myself if it's needed.
[19:01:19] <ankry>	 hi
[19:01:33] <Nemo_bis>	 h
[19:01:35] <Nemo_bis>	 i
[19:02:29] <ankry>	 Nemo_bis: what can I di with this bug to set up proper variables? : https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39225
[19:03:08] <ankry>	 thay hould be set as in plwiki
[19:03:18] <ankry>	 this should be set as in plwiki
[19:03:44] <Nemo_bis>	 Tpt: you should probably not merge yourself; and it won't help with getting it deployed
[19:11:09] <Nemo_bis>	 ankry: I commented [got a mid-air collision]
[19:12:04] <Nemo_bis>	 MatmaRex: why a patch for pl.books when the bug is about pl.source?
[19:12:10] <Nemo_bis>	 and why don't you use git?
[19:13:32] * Nemo_bis  slaps MatmaRex 

[19:13:38] <Nemo_bis>	 another mid-air collision
[19:15:11] <MatmaRex>	 ;_;
[19:15:20] <MatmaRex>	 it's too late and i failed miserably, sorry
[19:15:36] <Nemo_bis>	 :)
[19:15:45] <MatmaRex>	 not git because the repos are damn large
[19:15:55] <MatmaRex>	 and i dont feel like downloading another one just to submit a patch
[19:16:05] * MatmaRex  is on a 1 mbps connection

[19:16:19] <Nemo_bis>	 hmmm
[19:16:42] <Nemo_bis>	 9,3M    mw/mediawiki-config/
[19:17:37] <MatmaRex>	 hmm
[19:18:13] <MatmaRex>	 i was trying to clone some ops repo once and it was going pretty well, until at about 93% it started downloading what must have been a 100 MB binary file...
[19:18:44] <Nemo_bis>	 lol
[19:18:58] <MatmaRex>	 also, i dont wanna mess with something that's going to hurt when it breaks ;)
[19:19:16] <Nemo_bis>	 patches are more likely to mess things up and be discarded
[19:19:32] <Nemo_bis>	 anyway, shells will tell you better :)
[20:04:11] <Jasper_Deng>	 Reedy: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40439
[20:06:09] <Nemo_bis>	 Dereckson: are you sure it makes sense to assign shell bugs to non-shell users?
[20:07:13] <Dereckson>	 As we're moving to an operations management like an open source projects, yes, it seems to me it makes more sense.
[20:07:44] <Dereckson>	 But we could raise the issue on wikitech-l to gather more feedback.
[20:10:55] <Nemo_bis>	 if this is ironic, yes you made me smile
[20:10:59] * Nemo_bis  hates wikitech-l threads

[20:33:44] <Dereckson>	 Nemo_bis: more seriously, a bug should be assigned to the perso actively working to resolve it
[20:34:27] <saper>	 I think we didn't use assignements a lot previously, forming a happy culture of NotMyProblem :)
[20:34:42] <Dereckson>	 With Puppet deployment, the "active work" is more the gerrit change than the "deploy" action, isn't it?
[20:35:12] <Nemo_bis>	 Dereckson: I think the opposite
[20:35:40] <Nemo_bis>	 for instance, right now what's needs doing is a shell user commenting if hashar's request for a consensus makes sense
[20:38:21] <Dereckson>	 For what bug?
[20:41:39] <Nemo_bis>	 Dereckson: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40285
[20:43:10] <Dereckson>	 This is annoying when discussions are split between Gerrit and Bugzilla.
[20:43:28] <Dereckson>	 It makes more sense if shellpolicy is discussed on bug, not on Gerrit.
[20:43:47] <Nemo_bis>	 probably
[20:43:56] <Nemo_bis>	 I hate it too, but it's bound to happen
[20:44:03] <Nemo_bis>	 as I complained several times
[20:48:39] <Dereckson>	 Grmbl, forgot Bugzilla prints "> ..." in a only line.
[20:50:17] <Dereckson>	 I wonder if we shouldn't ask on [[Meta:Babel]] what the community thinks about this logo change?
[20:53:08] <Dereckson>	 er... the logo transition.
[21:04:20] <Nemo_bis>	 naaaah
[21:04:30] <Nemo_bis>	 and anyway it would be [[Wikimedia Forum]]
[21:04:58] <Nemo_bis>	 plus, I've already communicated it months ago in wikimedia-l, wmfcc-l, transcom and some other list
[21:05:18] <Nemo_bis>	 nobody cares about the logo such wikis use (not even their own users)