[01:31:33] why does javascript/jquery expression $('a:first') throws an exception on hewiki and enwiki? [02:18:03] !log LocalisationUpdate completed (1.20wmf10) at Fri Aug 31 02:18:02 UTC 2012 [02:18:17] Logged the message, Master [03:59:07] !log tstarling synchronized php-1.20wmf10/includes/DefaultSettings.php [03:59:17] Logged the message, Master [04:00:16] !log tstarling synchronized php-1.20wmf10/includes/AuthPlugin.php [04:00:26] Logged the message, Master [04:00:35] !log tstarling synchronized php-1.20wmf10/includes/User.php [04:00:46] Logged the message, Master [04:00:56] !log tstarling synchronized php-1.20wmf10/includes/Linker.php [04:01:07] Logged the message, Master [04:01:15] !log tstarling synchronized php-1.20wmf10/includes/api/ApiFormatBase.php [04:01:26] Logged the message, Master [04:01:38] !log tstarling synchronized php-1.20wmf10/includes/specials/SpecialBlock.php [04:01:48] Logged the message, Master [04:02:09] !log tstarling synchronized php-1.20wmf10/tests/parser/parserTests.txt [04:02:19] Logged the message, Master [08:14:59] http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportClients.htm is still showing June's data at the end of August? [11:31:36] anyone available with access to labs who will restart a bot for me? [11:31:41] <- needs COIBot restarted [11:32:04] Know which server it's on? [11:32:37] Damianz: Beetstra just said "labs" [11:32:45] https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Beetstra&curid=73090&diff=4075259&oldid=4074859 [11:33:01] If you feel up to it .. someone with access to labs should be able to start them, there is a minimanual in my root dir. [11:34:11] I don't have access to labs instances :( [11:34:22] you don't? [11:34:26] golly gosh [11:34:29] I'll take a look, have a meeting in a few though [11:34:47] k, it can wait if required [11:34:50] it has been days [11:35:06] I'd probably request a labs account anyway for future use [11:35:23] I have one, just way way way out of practice in ssh [11:35:32] *I have to some labs instances, but not to bots project [11:35:38] and little time to practice [11:40:07] Apart from xlinkbot they should be running [11:40:36] thanks damo [11:41:34] it is back in #wikimedia-external-links and listening and talking, so that is a great start [11:42:24] Just replied to Beetstra's talk page [11:43:50] hi! i need a permission fron mass acount creation for an event... can somebody help me? [11:44:01] for* [11:47:00] B1mbo: one moment :) [11:47:19] thx :D [11:47:54] sDrewth: find out as much detail about where as you can, ping me an email, I'll kick Ryan Lane somewhere..delicate; p [11:52:46] bloody proxy spammers :-/ [11:55:33] B1mbo: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mass_account_creation is your friend :) [11:56:49] Ironholds, yes I saw it... but I was thinking maybe someone can help me with a lift of the IP cap [11:57:11] ahh, section 2 at the bottom? [11:57:15] I'm currently in a class with 20 teachers approx... [11:57:24] exactly :) [11:57:37] ahh. err. so that's potentially awkward. Most of our devs and ops people work on PST [11:57:47] mmmm... [11:57:57] apergos, any chance you know how to help out here? [11:57:59] There's some ops around at this time [11:58:00] which server were you looking to have accounts? [11:58:06] sDrewth: was COIbot killed by updates? [11:58:18] Nemo_bis: Rebooted all the servers so yeah [11:58:22] sigh [11:58:26] Nemo_bis: [11:58:35] sDrewth: why isn't it on Toolserver any longer? [11:58:36] eh? [11:58:37] it was days ago that it failed, and I wasn't here [11:58:46] what's the problem? [11:58:47] it was never on TS [11:58:50] Need to write a nice init script rather than using nohup to make sure it restarts... or use supervisord (don't do that). But I'll poke B about that next week [11:58:50] oh [11:58:57] and that is more problematic [11:58:58] TS is better for this stuff so far [11:59:16] sDrewth: not sure about servers... if I say that we are using Spanish Wikipedia helps you? [11:59:48] Nemo_bis: when it was moved, OH NO IT WASN'T [12:00:25] B1mbo: you may find that if you are experienced and trusted, that you can get account creator rights [12:00:56] I have account creator rights as a sysop on Spanish WP [12:01:12] but would be better to have each teacher creating their own account instead of me creating them [12:01:17] but it seems is easier that way [12:01:34] so if folks are gonna ping me [12:01:35] if you have email addresses, it is easier to set them all up before hand [12:01:39] they should tell me what's up [12:01:51] otherwise it's called a gratuitous ping and I get revenge for those :-P [12:02:16] apergos: sorry! I was wondering if you knew who could help B1mbo beat the IP cap for an event. It seems that others have interceded, though :) [12:02:20] a/pergos gets to beat up Ironholds [12:02:21] woohoo [12:02:37] you may go back to plotting the death of Xerxes or setting fire to cars or whatever it is the grecians do these days. [12:02:53] ah well today we get ready for an antifacist march tomorrow [12:03:00] the stewards can create accounts, lifting the IP restriction is a PITA [12:03:02] those are the best kinds of marches [12:03:05] since the facists are having a gathering in the main squar in front of parliament [12:03:13] okay, less good. [12:03:14] and given the climate thes days, [12:03:23] apergos: to you need to get in early for a good seat to watch [12:03:24] ? [12:03:28] if we didn't do something it's possible that the bystanders would just cheer them [12:03:43] well we want to get in early to try to pre-empt them [12:03:50] get mates and score them out of 3 [12:04:11] um they kind of are thugs, a good number of them (carrying bats, knives etc) [12:04:34] known for assaulting people who are look foreign (dark skinned) [12:04:36] the fascists or the anti-fascists? [12:04:42] the fascists, then [12:04:49] thanks guys, we are going to use the CreateAccount instead of asking the IP lift.. [12:05:29] Ip limits is like, submit change to config, get reviewed, merged, pushed out IIRC. Though there's an open 'todo' to make that editable via the wiki for admins iirc. [12:05:39] yeah I'm not really known for carrying a bat or knives and assaulting people [12:05:54] anyways... so you're going to precreate accounts then? [12:09:45] they are going to use my account and create theirs... I have all the teachers here in the Wikipedia class :P [12:10:20] !log hashar synchronized live-1.5/robots.php 'f0bf7a5 - disallow robots on beta' [12:10:32] Logged the message, Master [12:10:40] excellent [12:11:00] !log hashar synchronized wmf-config/CommonSettings.php '5c84fca $wgDBerrorLogInUTC -> $wgDBerrorLogTZ' [12:11:03] are need to pull first [12:11:10] Logged the message, Master [12:11:11] !log forgot to pull before sync :-) [12:11:13] thanks guy, bye! :) [12:11:21] Logged the message, Master [12:11:31] !log hashar synchronized live-1.5/robots.php 'f0bf7a5 - disallow robots on beta' [12:11:41] Logged the message, Master [12:11:46] !log hashar synchronized wmf-config/CommonSettings.php '5c84fca $wgDBerrorLogInUTC -> $wgDBerrorLogTZ' [12:11:56] Logged the message, Master [13:59:50] Is there a cadre of blind or visually-impaired users advising on Wikimedia/wikipedia accessibility? [14:08:14] lexein: i think so (at least there are active wikipedians who are blind) [14:08:39] lexein: idk if there's a list of them anywhere or if they're formally consulted [14:10:32] lexein: would be great to have :-) [14:11:16] lexein: Brandon "norm" Harris (from the WMF) would surely know. Feel free to mail him at bharris@wikimedia.org [14:11:19] grr [14:11:22] norm -> jorm [14:11:50] hashar: and amir [14:12:08] lexein: in what country are you? [14:12:26] aharoni: ^ [14:12:41] WMIT and WMES are in formal contacts with institutions helping blind or visually-impaired people [14:13:08] DC too kinda i think [14:13:28] hi lexein . [14:13:37] * jeremyb will bbl [14:13:42] is there any particular help that you need? [14:13:49] aharoni: Is there a cadre of blind or visually-impaired users advising on Wikimedia/wikipedia accessibility? [14:14:04] ^^^^ is not particular ;P [14:15:08] well, as jeremyb said, Brandon, also known as Jorm, is knowledgeable about this. I am experienced with developing screen readers, but actually I know relatively little about Wikipedia accessibility. [14:15:27] jeremyb also known as hashar ;) [14:15:59] rrrrright ;) [14:16:17] aharoni: we had that talk in haifa with the israeli kid... [14:16:52] anyway, /me has to run. will be interested to see what develops from this convo ;) [14:16:58] yeah, I brought him. he said that there are many good points in Wikipedia accessibility, but there's some room for improvement. [14:17:39] could do a11y testing in jenkins ;) [14:17:52] now *that* is hashar's domain ;) [15:12:10] btw https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Accessibility would use some update but is not horribly outdated (I expected to find a 5+ years old page) [15:13:59] and we have https://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Proposals_for_improving_accessibility [15:14:12] Brooke surely loves https://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposal:Create_an_accessibility_committee [15:15:42] * Damianz gives Nemo some cookie flavoured fish flakes [15:16:28] eek [15:16:35] Hi folks, sorry for the lag. [15:16:41] I'm in the U.S. [15:16:59] ahh too bad no chapter there [15:17:05] hashar - thanks for suggesting bharris [15:18:24] Well, alt text should be locale-neutral (jargon and idiom free) eh? [15:19:37] I've been getting revved up about alt text, and keen on clearing backlogs of articles with no alt text. Discussing at http://enwp.org/WT:ALT [15:20:06] Keen on activating more blind and visually-impaired users to make their needs and preferences known [15:20:49] Right now, there's a push-pull between "alt text should be short. period." and the standards committees linking to opinions from blind users expressing a desire for more expressive descriptions. [15:22:27] To start, I'd like to hear from B&VI users' opinions about a) the alt text I'm adding lately, listed in WT:ALT b) articles with problem alt text c) !voting about if long alt text, or if they don't mind skipping long desc [15:22:55] lexein: Brandon "jorm" Harris (from the WMF) would surely know. Feel free to mail him at bharris@wikimedia.org [15:22:59] not sure if you got the message [15:23:22] definitely contact him, he know about accessibility / visual impaired / blind / daltonism and everything [15:24:32] Yup! I'll do that. Thanks for alt that (heh). daltonism? looking that up. thx [15:27:08] lexein: that is the french for color blindness [15:27:13] lexein: "Daltonisme" :-) [15:27:49] http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daltonisme named after http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Dalton [15:28:29] Ah! I had intuited that colorblind people are a valid audience for alt-text, if they choose to enable (by extensions) alt-text visibility in their browsers. As far as bringing in more people, I'd like to gradually scale up, with 2-3 users, then 5-10, then go wide, as we set up infrastructure: templates, categories, whatever. [15:30:05] hm. who is the go-to CSS guru here? :) i'd like some help on this: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/22178/ [15:33:04] MatmaRex: will add some [15:33:57] hashar: i was thinking about back-compat when changing filenames, but i'm hoping anyone who actually uses this uses the classes [15:35:43] MatmaRex: you can't be sure :-) [15:35:54] it is great to rename them [15:35:59] you could just make a copy [15:36:07] making a copy would be kinda backwards [15:36:15] i'm fine with keeping the current filenames [15:36:18] and eventually leave a README file in the path as a reminder for year 2018 when we will clean them up :-D [15:36:34] would it be okay if i grepped the extensions for file names? :P [15:36:37] well keeping a copy would let us transition from the old to the new name [15:36:44] at the price of a few bytes of hard drive [15:36:49] I guess that is worth it :) [15:37:05] well the point is, the name shouldnt matter, because people should be using the classes :P [15:37:11] MatmaRex: there are also third parties extensions you can't not grep :) [15:37:17] i realize [15:37:25] but its their problem, relying on some filenames [15:37:38] but then they will report the bug / ask for support / mail us [15:37:44] and that will become our problem :-] [15:37:45] kind of [15:37:57] we try to keep back compatibility as much as possible [15:38:19] but maybe I am just being paranoid [15:55:21] hashar: i removed file renames from the changeset for now. [18:02:48] hi [18:03:06] I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask - how many of wikipedia servers are CPU bound? [18:03:14] and how many of those are CPU bound due to PHP? [18:05:21] fijal: i know nothing about it, but is maybe https://ganglia.wikimedia.org/latest/ what you're looking for? [18:05:48] MatmaRex: do you know on what channel the server admins like to sit? [18:06:14] MatmaRex: not sure, maybe [18:08:11] fijal: here, i guess [18:08:43] fijal: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC/Channels [18:08:48] yeah, read that [18:09:07] fijal: #wikimedia-operations maybe? [21:51:13] !log adding equality index to uidNumber on virt0 and virt1000 opendj [21:51:22] Logged the message, Master [21:54:28] !log enabling attribute uniqueness plugin on virt0 and virt1000 for attributes: cn, uid, uidNumber [21:54:36] Logged the message, Master [22:04:07] !log removing attribute uid from the attribute uniqueness plugin. It's the naming attribute and it's already ensured to be unique. It causes problems when it's also in the plugin. [22:04:15] Logged the message, Master [22:06:02] Hi all. Please somebody fix https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Centralnotice-wlm_2012-text/ru [22:06:20] putnik: "Fix" how? [22:06:22] Just a space after colon. [22:06:25] Oh, right [22:06:53] Done [22:07:00] Thanks. [22:25:06] gn8 folks [23:06:06] Where can I find documentation of the the recent changes irc.wikimedia.org bot's syntax? [23:10:18] Nemo_bis: around? What are the implications of this -> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39866 ? [23:10:21] It is difficult to parse something without a spec [23:13:58] Where can I find documentation of the the recent changes irc.wikimedia.org bot's syntax? [23:15:38] cgtdk: you wanna parse the feed? [23:15:42] I don't think it's documented anywhere. Krinkle|detached would know more but he's away, probably asleep [23:16:06] Alchimista: yes [23:16:19] RoanKattouw: :( [23:16:58] well, i think RoanKattouw is right, i can't remember any doc. But it's not difficult to check the sintax, just need to take a look at it [23:17:36] Alchimista: Yeah, I can pick up a lot of it, but what about events that do not happen often? [23:18:12] Like "import"s [23:18:27] or global rights [23:18:31] cgtdk: easy, for each line, if it doesn't passes throw the parser, simply add it to a file, and then you can check it [23:18:53] Good idea [23:19:21] I'll have to rewrite the parser though :( [23:19:22] well, i'm not the original author, emijrp used it already [23:19:27] it's probably for the best [23:19:44] wich language will you be using? [23:19:49] Go [23:19:50] :) [23:20:16] It's not much work. I haven't written too much code yet. [23:20:29] for the parser, that is [23:20:37] well, bad news, if it where in py or php, you provably could pick up some code form the anti-vandalisms bots [23:21:07] or even the irc bots [23:21:22] Well, I know Python. I suppose I could look at the source code of a bot. PHP isn't too hard to read either. [23:22:00] will the bot work on en channels? [23:22:12] No, on da [23:22:29] but I'm mostly looking for log events [23:22:33] like block, protect, etc [23:22:37] they seem to be the same [23:23:07] https://code.google.com/p/huggle/source/browse/trunk/Irc.vb?r=532 [23:23:10] there we go :) [23:23:10] so if it's specific events it's more simpler. all you need is to take some time looking at the logs [23:40:58] Alchimista: look up on mediawiki.org [23:45:20] Nemo_bis: what will i found there? o.O [23:45:27] *find