[00:00:45] Can I talk to someone from the AFT5 project? [00:03:00] Nathan2055: about what? [00:03:04] you can just speak... [00:04:09] Nathan2055: the WMF 24-hour response team is available to answer your AFT5 question ;p [00:04:14] the team consisting, as it does, of me. [00:05:41] Sorry, doing multiple things at once. [00:05:56] that's okay, just ping me when you need me :) [00:06:00] So, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ArticleFeedbackv5/List_of_Level_Up_episodes/116846 doesn't load on my end. [00:06:13] All the other feedback I'm messing with does. [00:06:17] yeah, it looks like AFT5 hasn't been enabled for that article [00:06:28] TL;DR: we had a cacheing issue a month back that led to AFT5 appearing everywhere [00:06:48] so people submitted feedback for pages that, once the issue was solved, ceased to exist. [00:07:01] the feedback is still there but inaccessible until we deploy to 100 percent. Infuriating, I know :( [00:07:16] Uh, more like strange and confusing. [00:07:32] But, that's ~~life~~ code. [00:07:44] strange, confusing and infuriating it is ;p. And indeed. Curse you, sharding, for taking so long [00:09:31] The problem is that feedback is someone hating on the show, so I wanted to get rid of it. [00:09:41] yeah :S. We can't do that at the moment, I'm afraid [00:09:53] hopefully we should be good to go by early October, which is, I know, a long way away [00:10:30] I guess you could add [[Category:Article Feedback 5 Additional Articles]] to the article, causing the page to enable, so you can hide it, and then just remove the category and turn it off again [00:11:01] Cool, doing. [00:12:53] Nathan2055: grand :). Sorry such a hacky workaround is necessary [00:13:11] With HotCat it's quite easy. :) [00:13:42] Okay, KOd the feedback, going to check if i missed anything. [00:14:37] Okay, looks like I got all of it. [00:15:18] Uh oh, that user appears to be trolling in other places, better sweep up. [00:15:26] (And in Spanish, too) [00:16:18] Come on, thy all were disabled, now I have to hack around them too. :( [00:16:26] All in the line of duty... [00:18:02] "I bayby Aque geloe improve or if you take the 5 season oke that wave". [00:18:07] ...what [00:18:50] Nathan2055: it is an important message [00:19:03] Huh? [00:19:18] I demand, on behalf of the WMF, that you immediately email that man to explain that we will take his suggestion under serious consideration and are right now assembling a crack committee of our 500 most respected editors to debate it [00:19:21] * Ironholds nods firmly [00:19:27] alternately you can just downvote it and move on ;p [00:20:01] It's an Ip sadly. [00:20:38] I originally hid it by mistake, unhiding and downvoting. [00:22:38] Next piece of IP goodness: "please please make it better plis" [00:23:15] And all of this I've been working on is neutral feedback. [00:23:18] :P [00:23:57] huh. Is this from the "all comments" feed at the central feedback page? [00:24:02] it was looking really good when I saw it earlier [00:24:25] No, from one IP that I found trolling in my watchlist feedback feed. [00:24:37] All Cartoon Network related articles. [00:25:43] "Please beibe nor other hall of game will read ascar season 2 for honeycomb plish" [00:25:53] "honeycomb"? [00:26:57] ahh [00:30:22] TimStarling: u there? I was told to ask you: How long before "what links here" is updated? I changed an internal wiki link in a template some 48 hours ago. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/SELIBR [00:31:15] well, first you should wait for the job queue to be cleared [00:31:28] "cleared"? does it ever? [00:31:49] My edit, http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3AAuthority_control&diff=507922108&oldid=489887671 [00:32:09] of the [00:32:29] of the 300 links, all but 75 or so have disappeared [00:32:44] mysql> select min(job_timestamp) from job [00:32:46] min(job_timestamp): 20120819234140 [00:33:02] but these (Knut Hamsun, Niels Bohr, etc.) remain [00:33:25] Ironholds: The IP is 201.208.68.251. [00:33:29] Only feedback edits, [00:33:44] all in Spanish, and all Cartoon Network related. [00:34:43] so that minimum job_timestamp is only an hour ago [00:34:57] right, and my edit almost 2 days ago [00:35:09] According to Helpmebot, the author is located near "Caracas, Distrito Federal, Venezuela". [00:35:19] so probably they will never be updated unless there is some external action [00:35:33] Nathan2055: huh. Do they make sense through google translate? [00:35:34] Null edits help, but purge doesn't [00:35:49] Ironholds: I'm telling you what they say. [00:36:13] that is, if I null edit Knut Hamsun, that article disappears from the what-links-here list [00:36:38] It's giberish or "please please please please fix". [00:37:00] so is this a known problem? does it happen often? is there a monthly clean-up? [00:37:05] I think there were 4779 articles that used that template, not 300 [00:37:06] All on June 6 and 7, but he could be running on a different IP now. [00:37:22] right, but not all define the SELIBR= parameter [00:37:48] well, https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37731 is a known problem, but I don't think that is what happened here [00:38:09] did you get an error message when you edited the template, or did it complete the save normally [00:38:10] ? [00:38:57] Nathan2055: oh dear [00:39:03] "the user is presented with a read timeout [00:39:08] error message" -- that didn't happen [00:39:08] Yeah. [00:39:15] you can try editing the template again [00:39:32] although it means all 4779 articles will have to be reparsed [00:39:48] so it's a lot harder on the servers than doing a null edit of 75 articles [00:39:59] Hmm, I'm going to leave [[Joseph Barbera]] on the list, it's a featured and makes since to have AFT5. [00:40:29] Anyway: "Phil electricity dejofksdjfh jasifuadghjdsh gjkdgad" [00:40:41] Uh... [00:40:55] done [00:41:19] it's possible for jobs to fail, maybe that's happening more often than it used to [00:41:29] this is the second report I've had of this in the last week [00:41:31] Ironholds: Complete gibberish. [00:42:08] my plan is to merge SELIBR into LIBRIS, so I wanted these links to be gone first [00:42:13] Nathan2055: if they repeat, happy to block :) [00:42:25] at this point though I think we can safely say they have either given up or the IP has been assigned to someone else [00:42:39] Yeah, is there a warning about AFT 5 abuse? [00:42:52] ok, I'll wait some hours and see if this goes well [00:48:05] I do see a lot of OOM errors in the logs for RefreshLinks2 jobs [00:48:30] Ironholds: ^ [00:48:47] Nathan2055: I think User:Callanecc mentioned something about writing some [00:49:05] Okay, I'll check on that. [00:49:12] I'm off, see you all soon! [00:49:39] I'll file a bug [00:49:44] I see no change 5 mintes after the template was edited [00:49:56] minutes [00:50:19] ok, thanks [00:52:24] bye [01:21:17] Ironholds: What was the verdict of Pending Changes 2012? [01:25:11] Oh, offline. [02:25:08] fyi, TimStarling's OOM bug for refreshlinks2 on the job queue (see LA2 above) is bug 39493 [02:25:11] !b 39493 [02:25:12] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39493 [02:28:20] !log LocalisationUpdate completed (1.20wmf9) at Mon Aug 20 02:28:20 UTC 2012 [02:28:38] Logged the message, Master [02:34:53] consensus here's not good enough, right? (a passive "object here before x otherwise it will happen" intsead of a "please support or oppose proposal") https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39200 [02:35:15] e.g. https://mr.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?diff=5377&oldid=4837 [02:38:05] TimStarling: ran across this earlier, seems like maybe the kind of thing you'd be interested in? I haven't had a chance to look at the links yet though. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39340 [02:38:40] maybe [11:35:09] hi [11:39:09] hi vkayza [11:40:16] Our 1856 Erard piano just returned from conservation workshop, after a major repair and restoration work. [11:40:45] took restorers nearly 13 months to bring it back into life into current form [11:40:56] Here is the final result: http://i.imgur.com/5zKcF.jpg [11:46:43] !ops ^ [11:48:27] ? [14:26:12] !log reedy synchronized php-1.20wmf10/ 'staging 1.20wmf10 directory' [14:26:22] Logged the message, Master [14:28:03] Reedy: i think there were some mentions of bugzilla lacking version wmf9? [14:28:08] i guess it is a monday though [14:28:19] wmf9 went out 2 weeks ago [14:28:23] It's hardly a major issue ;) [14:28:31] yeah, yeah [14:28:40] but so now we need 10 ;) [14:28:55] "need" [14:29:29] * jeremyb is just the messenger... [14:29:34] Bang! [14:29:52] both added [14:30:14] ouch! [14:30:14] !log Removing php-1.20wmf7 from mediawiki-installation group [14:30:25] Logged the message, Master [14:31:03] Platonides: it does exist [14:32:36] Platonides: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/gitweb?p=operations/mediawiki-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=58c13517eb109a40bc02ba227be9a7134d8c9cba [14:33:07] Platonides: and thanks for the geshi link. there's been some followup on the debian bug [14:36:38] !log reedy synchronized live-1.5/ [14:36:48] Logged the message, Master [14:38:11] !log reedy synchronized php-1.20wmf10/ [14:38:20] Logged the message, Master [14:39:32] !log reedy synchronized wmf-config/ [14:39:42] Logged the message, Master [14:40:46] jeremyb, what exists? [14:42:32] Platonides: the thing which you said didn't of course [14:42:40] 19 16:53:09 < Platonides> jeremyb, there's no I30c889c1eeb5a611dcd3446b29 [14:43:29] it's gerrit being dumb, then [14:43:34] not showing in https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/q/I30c889c1eeb5a611dcd3446b298ffc7b33ef081f,n,z [14:44:12] right. well known issue [14:44:27] 20 14:32:35 < jeremyb> Platonides: [14:44:27] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/gitweb?p=operations/mediawiki-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=58c13517eb109a40bc02ba227be9a7134d8c9cba [14:45:29] yes, I'm seeing now :) [14:46:12] Initially I thought the link was going to be about the patch I send to mediawiki-config a few moments ago https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/20702/ [14:46:18] !log reedy synchronized php-1.20wmf10/ [14:46:27] Logged the message, Master [14:46:53] Platonides: see e.g. half of the comments on bug 38622 [14:47:17] nope, starred that one earlier though ;) [14:48:50] when the tools make us lose more time discussing about where the changes are rather than about the changes itself... [14:52:03] Scap time.. [14:52:56] Platonides: it's not just that. it's also missing changes entirely because they bypass the normal (IRC/email/etc.) announcement methods [15:01:30] !log reedy Started syncing Wikimedia installation... : testwiki to 1.20wmf10 and rebuild localisation cache for it.. [15:01:40] Logged the message, Master [15:38:57] !log reedy Finished syncing Wikimedia installation... : testwiki to 1.20wmf10 and rebuild localisation cache for it.. [15:39:07] Logged the message, Master [15:47:45] !log reedy Started syncing Wikimedia installation... : [15:47:55] Logged the message, Master [16:06:01] !log reedy synchronized php-1.20wmf10/cache/l10n/ [16:06:11] Logged the message, Master [18:27:00] !log reedy rebuilt wikiversions.cdb and synchronized wikiversions files: test2wiki and mediawikiwiki to 1.20wmf10 [18:27:10] Logged the message, Master [18:52:16] !log catrope synchronized wmf-config/CommonSettings.php 'Update VE config for Parsoid prefix change' [18:52:25] Logged the message, Master [18:57:24] !log catrope synchronized php-1.20wmf10/extensions/VisualEditor/ 'Actually push out VE fixes' [18:57:33] Logged the message, Master [19:04:27] yo RoanKattouw, I have ResourceLoader questions. I'll ask away here but will trade answers for cookies. [19:04:53] Sure [19:06:18] So I want to add some JS/CSS to UserLogin&type=signup. In my UserCreateForm hook I do global $wgOut and $wgOut->addModules( 'ext.Experiments.acux' ); [19:07:29] That works, but only when ?debug=1. I'm wondering if you're allowed to $wgOut->addModules in any hook, because most extensions do it in onBeforePageDisplay. [19:07:40] Hah [19:07:44] You should be able to yeah [19:07:50] It should still add the module [19:08:04] Now the module might be broken in non-debug mode for some /other/ reason, but it should still be added [19:09:01] good to know, I'll try to debug it without using ?debug ;-) [19:35:48] RoanKattouw: do you still have you chmod script? [19:36:31] I do [19:36:40] soo...:) [19:36:52] AaronSchulz: chmod -R 777 / [19:36:55] done ;) [19:39:37] RoanKattouw: you might want to give it another run :) [19:42:32] OK giving it another run [19:43:25] Running now, will probably take like 6 hours [19:45:52] RoanKattouw: I'm seeing if I can enforce this in fsbackend ;) [19:46:07] getting the effective username is surprisingly not simple [19:51:48] getpwuid( geteuid() ) ? [19:56:30] yeah that's what I was doing [21:16:46] is there any problem with enabling uploads to regular user accounts on testwiki? (https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/20702/1) [21:31:42] awjr: I can't see any reason why we can't [21:31:58] cool thanks Reedy [21:33:11] !log awjrichards synchronized wmf-config/InitialiseSettings.php 'Enabling file uploads on testwiki for regular user accounts (exception to bug 12556)' [21:33:21] Logged the message, Master [21:35:58] jeremyb: did that blog post you linked about bugzilla mention having some system to collapse useless comments or something? [21:36:26] there are some wall-of-text off topic comments which make me miss the [edit] button sooo much [22:15:15] !log reedy synchronized php-1.20wmf10/skins/ [22:15:25] Logged the message, Master [22:39:17] What's Jeroen De Dauw's IRC handle? [22:40:01] kaldari: same without spaces [22:40:11] thanks [22:40:13] currently offline AFAICS [22:40:29] too bad, I'm about to deploy his code [22:40:57] kaldari: it's 0.40 CEST after all, he's still in Europe isn't he [22:42:03] btw kaldari I've had a bad time trying to work around the date formatting used by pagetriage besides some stuff on https://translatewiki.net/wiki/User:Kaldari [22:42:42] (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39379 ) [22:44:53] will fix it as soon as the higher priority bugs are fixed [22:45:28] not sure why I'm getting pinged on Moodbar message problems [22:45:29] sure [22:45:47] hmm let me check if it's my fault [22:46:18] I don't know anything about Moodbar, but I guess since it belongs to my team now, I should become familiar with it :) [22:46:27] kaldari: Reedy added you [22:46:48] Hmm [22:46:54] Why did I add.. [22:46:58] Who built moodbar anyway? [22:47:27] Andrew and Timo based on the credits [22:47:37] Mostly Andrew [22:47:47] Timo came in later and rewrote the JS, as usual :) [22:49:17] !log reedy synchronized php-1.20wmf10/includes/GlobalFunctions.php [22:49:26] Logged the message, Master [22:50:29] !log reedy synchronized php-1.20wmf10/extensions/VisualEditor/ [22:50:38] Logged the message, Master [23:06:08] about to run scap [23:09:13] My condolences ;) [23:13:26] now I can practice my swordfighting! :) [23:13:35] * Damianz pokes kaldari with a sword [23:13:43] ouch [23:16:25] hoo: You were right about the groups... I'll see if I can find out why werdna did that. [23:17:53] csteipp: Thanks... as told, at best we would like an array with user rights (with that local and global users could be checked in one expression) [23:18:24] Looking for global groups is a bit of a headache, cause they can only be gather by using CA functions (AFAIK) [23:18:49] !log kaldari Started syncing Wikimedia installation... : [23:18:58] Logged the message, Master [23:23:15] Furthermore that would keep us from introducing wmf specific variables [23:46:53] !log tstarling synchronized php-1.20wmf9/maintenance/benchmarks/obama.php [23:47:02] Logged the message, Master [23:47:36] enwiki's obama article has an own benchmark? :P [23:47:46] It does now appaerntly [23:48:34] !log kaldari Finished syncing Wikimedia installation... : [23:48:43] Logged the message, Master