[00:13:14] must be about time to deploy scribunto to test2 [00:39:34] !log running scap to for extension-list update [00:39:42] Logged the message, Master [00:47:11] !log tstarling Started syncing Wikimedia installation... : [00:47:20] Logged the message, Master [00:51:20] * robla pokes around on test2 [00:52:16] ah....right, waiting for scap to finish [00:58:11] it won't be ready for another 15 minutes or so, I just realised I have to fix bug 37641 [00:58:27] I'll commit it in a few minutes and then I'll have to run scap again [00:59:34] You can get away with a sync-dir if you're not touching i18n [01:00:07] !log tstarling Started syncing Wikimedia installation... : [01:00:20] Logged the message, Master [01:03:03] yeah that's the second scap, there will be a third [01:03:18] then a couple of sync-files to actually enable it [01:07:48] TimStarling / robla: (When you guys are free) and seem to know a little bit about Bz: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38584 [01:08:13] * robla looks [01:10:21] I think I'm going to put in an ops request on that one [01:10:48] * jeremyb was thinking about the same [01:10:55] Whoa, @wikimedia.org ? [01:11:04] yes [01:11:04] mutante was looking at this earlier, but that was for @reedyboy.net [01:11:43] ...and since RT apparently has some problem with Chrome, I'll use Firefox [01:11:46] * robla sighs [01:12:32] RoanKattouw: it does it randomly for any domain by the looks [01:26:37] robla: Roan: you can use existing 3428@rt .. and sigh, earlier there was no other reject besides reedyboy indeed [01:27:09] did that ticket actually get created? [01:27:25] i don't see a new one, but it would have been duplicate [01:27:35] i just created one earlier [01:27:58] noting on public ticket then [01:28:26] why not just mail to the existing one [01:29:20] it looks like my ticket creation failed. i'm nto going to create a new one, but I'm also going to make sure that 3428 is noted on the public ticket so that we don't have to search for duplicates [01:30:18] ok, but you know you can mail to @rt and it will just add to it, right [01:30:59] last time I tried to use the email feature (admittedly, it's been a while), it failed too [01:31:16] i am doing that all the time [01:31:30] yeah, it seems to work for opsen just fine [01:31:55] I keep hearing about all of the things that work about RT, and never experience it working [01:32:26] it should be possible to use the web interface, anyway [01:33:11] mutante: do you see a new ticket from me? [01:34:10] robla: hmm, i added you to 3428 as a requestor to make sure at least you get mail about changes there [01:34:16] jeremyb: yes, #3433: hey robla, ping? [01:34:30] * robla looks [01:35:46] also linking BZ [01:35:57] if i can, why can't robla? [01:37:40] alright...seems to actually work [01:37:52] i see your comments on it, ack [01:39:08] so you guys do actually use the web interface? [01:39:16] re firefox vs. chrome [01:40:18] here's been my experience with Chrome. First attempt dies after 60 second timeout. Second attempt is fine [01:41:03] One thing I tried before switching browsers was to turn off the HTML rich text editor, since that seemed to be on by default in RT [01:41:11] that had no effect. [01:41:17] still got the timeout. [01:42:05] The comment I made in Firefox went through just fine, but I'm not sure if correlation == causation there, because I had also already failed to submit in Chrome [01:42:54] the behavior seems like there's some cold cache on the server, and that the first action I take in a day causes it to get populated [01:43:22] there are existing reports about RT / Chrome issues indeed [01:43:32] http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/rt/users/97908 [01:44:16] http://dev.ckeditor.com/ticket/6717 [01:44:27] "FCKEditor is a plug-in GUI editor for web applications, implemented in CSS and JavaScript and integrated in RT 3.8." [01:44:41] different problem than what I'm seeing [01:45:33] it occurs to me though that the last time I saw a problem like this that *was* browser specific, it ended up being because of an IPv6 issue [01:46:04] the browser's built in resolver was resolving to some unroutable address [01:46:32] !log tstarling Started syncing Wikimedia installation... : [01:46:43] Logged the message, Master [01:47:26] I'll try using Firefox more consistently with RT, and see if I have better luck [01:49:49] * robla packs up to head home [01:50:19] I'm planning to log in later and see how it's going [01:50:25] bon voyage [01:50:42] what strikes me about the actual issue with the bugzilla mail, is that if i grep for "rejected" i still just get reedy and nothing else [01:50:53] huh [01:54:42] mutante: which log? [01:55:10] and what's doing the rejecting? [01:55:15] exim [01:55:25] can't we just drop rejections and pretend it worked? [01:55:45] (or send bounces to an address that's checked once in a while) [01:55:47] or something [01:57:10] in the case of reedy they are actual issues with the domain registrar , some of their DNS serves dont respont [01:57:13] respond [01:57:25] and i do not see any for tim [01:57:47] that would be a big problem for wikimedia.org... [01:57:59] someone else must bounce at some point [01:58:26] i do not see any rejects for wikimedia.org [01:58:36] reedy uses another domain there [01:58:43] right [01:59:18] i only saw it in the last few weeks but i wonder if it's really that new (for us) [02:01:19] !log LocalisationUpdate failed: git pull of extensions failed [02:01:28] Logged the message, Master [02:01:47] hrmmm, can someone be my proxy for a fenari shell? [02:02:00] does ~kaldari/testmwversion exist? [02:02:12] what does it say when you execute it? [02:02:31] or whatever his username is... [02:03:26] he is kaldari in admins.pp [02:04:07] jeremyb: does not exist [02:04:20] errrr [02:04:45] * jeremyb looks at wikitech? [02:05:00] mutante: btw, wikitech's still broken [02:05:44] mutante: oh, make it ~kaldari/bin/testmwversion maybe ? [02:06:03] ok, which one do you want me to look at ? a, b or c [02:06:12] i would also like to get some food [02:06:18] mutante: food! [02:06:28] anyone can do fenari ;) [02:06:40] i just thought you should know about wikitech since you were doing it before [02:07:39] thanks. you mean the category links, right [02:07:46] not just that [02:07:48] > (diff | hist) . . User:Bhartshorne/swift tasks 2012-08-13‎; 00:21:51 . . (+111) . . Bhartshorne (Talk | contribs) (<sectionlink>to complete before 8/28: ) [02:07:54] what about it [02:08:00] see <sectionlink> [02:08:12] it links to the right place i think but the content of the link is wrong [02:08:28] probably the same fix for both [02:09:10] maybe i should eat too... [02:09:41] (that was from recentchanges btw) [02:10:36] ok, added to a ticket. yea, i see it in RC .bbl [02:10:50] mutante: bon appetit [02:11:04] thanks [02:15:13] !log tstarling Finished syncing Wikimedia installation... : [02:15:25] Logged the message, Master [02:28:42] !log tstarling synchronized wmf-config/InitialiseSettings.php [02:28:51] Logged the message, Master [02:30:13] * jeremyb wonders what tim just sync'd [02:30:27] (i settings) [02:35:32] !log tstarling synchronized wmf-config/CommonSettings.php 'enabling Scribunto and CodeEditor on test2wiki' [02:35:42] Logged the message, Master [02:37:00] just preparatory changes for the second sync [02:43:57] ahh, i see the commit now [02:52:09] wooo, there is lua! [03:00:17] !log built a udplog package for precise and uploaded it [03:00:27] Logged the message, Master [04:00:30] Hello [04:00:55] Kindly lift 27.108.200.111 [04:01:22] We have a Wikipedia Edithon as of this time [04:01:39] This is Butch Bustria from Wikimedia Philippines [04:01:52] This will run for 10 hours [04:03:22] where is the wiki page about it? [04:14:53] There is a Wikipedia Edithon in Bicol Region happening as of this time. [04:15:02] New Registrants/ Participants: 40-60. [04:15:10] Time frame: 11 hours. 1200 - 2300 PHT / 0400 - 1500 UTC [04:15:20] http://bcl.wikipedia.org [04:15:28] http://en.wikipedia.org [04:15:34] http://tl.wikipedia.org [04:15:43] Event website: http://www.facebook.com/events/256383851138407/ [04:16:22] Bug 39359 - Requesting temporary lift of IP cap [04:22:33] We appreciate your urgent action. :) [04:24:54] that link doesn't work [04:38:06] !log tstarling synchronized wmf-config/InitialiseSettings.php [04:38:12] !log added rate limit exemption for 27.108.200.111 [04:38:15] Logged the message, Master [04:38:25] Logged the message, Master [04:50:34] what link? [04:53:31] I added an exemption, you should be able to create accounts now [04:55:51] Ok. Thanks [05:15:47] !log tstarling synchronized wmf-config/CommonSettings.php [05:15:55] Logged the message, Master [05:17:02] !log tstarling synchronized wmf-config/InitialiseSettings.php [05:17:11] Logged the message, Master [05:42:19] * robla pokes around test2 a little [05:42:40] poking at lua? [05:53:23] yup [05:55:34] whee! http://test2.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Coord/testcases (imported from scribunto.wmflabs.org) [05:58:06] very interesting indeed [06:01:42] http://test2.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module:Coord_prec_dec I love it. It's about a gazillion times better than the template language. [06:09:11] TimStarling: are you still cleaning up after the deploy, or are meandering into other stuff you noticed while deploying? :) [06:09:43] I'm working on fluorine, RT 2400 [06:09:51] I started while those scaps were running [06:10:13] you have to multitask when scap takes so long [06:10:31] ah, righto [06:10:44] I've got all the debug logs and the fatal error logs moved across, I'll write a message about it to the engineering list soon [06:12:03] cool, that'll be nice to have [06:13:47] and I'm also doing a few quick patches to wmerrors, things that I noticed while I was doing the move [06:15:53] TimStarling: are you aware of the logging work a volunteer has been experimenting with? [06:16:11] no [06:16:33] he's been installing various logging software/solutions in labs [06:16:38] when you highlighted me just now I thought it would be about my commit message, but I guess you haven't seen that yet [06:16:38] the most promising one imho is logstash + kibana [06:16:44] no I haven't, which one? [06:17:58] never mind [06:19:15] okay... [06:19:49] so, logstash is interesting; you have some post-processing down (filters etc.) and then it puts everything into elasticsearch [06:20:06] it has a web interface to search logs, show trends etc. but it's not very powerful [06:20:29] so there's an alternative web interface called Kibana (written in PHP) that does some nice things [06:20:31] yeah, I just found the docs, the trouble with web UIs is that they're always full of security vulnerabilities [06:20:57] we can keep it internal [06:21:08] logs may have private information anyway [06:21:49] no, that's the problem with the web, CSRF and XSS can cross network boundaries, there's no internal [06:22:43] if you view a webpage with the same browser as you used to log in to the private site, you're screwed [06:23:14] you know I found a root shell vulnerability in the default ubuntu desktop that worked like that [06:23:24] I don't know [06:23:33] which one? [06:23:46] it was released with a very coy commit message, maybe it's for the best [06:24:04] it was in CUPS [06:24:18] erm, I prefer disclosure than hidden vulnerabilities tbh [06:24:32] and this is a public channel to :P [06:24:40] yeah, it was a while ago though [06:25:08] so, yeah, I'm aware of the dangers of the web [06:25:12] but I'm not sure what you propose [06:25:23] not use any web tools? or audit them thoroughly before? [06:26:13] I do audit them, they're all broken [06:26:18] but we use them anyway [06:26:21] heheh [06:26:52] yeah, I've noticed that the last one that you audited (which I'm not going to mention) and found it to be like a swiss cheese [06:27:05] and we're still using it :) [06:27:49] isn't it great that all apps will be web apps soon? :) [06:53:19] Nemo_bis: are you there? [06:53:50] matanya: yes [06:54:08] I added some stuff at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Thread:Talk:Git/Workflow/Bugzilla [06:54:15] can you review please? [06:56:05] matanya: I can say that what you wrote makes some sense but I'm not the right person to ask, I don't know what's the right way and it's not up to me to decide :) [06:56:35] thanks for contributing to the discussion [06:56:55] perhaps robla would know more? [06:57:52] on my bugzilla at work that is the setting, and it makes some sense. ubuntu's launchpad uses the same workflow [09:51:22] !log moved old MW debug logs out of /home/wikipedia/logs to avoid confusion, live logs are now on fluorine [09:51:32] Logged the message, Master [10:00:24] !log deploying bugfix version of wmerrors [10:00:33] Logged the message, Master [10:06:25] Danny_B|backup: how about adding more info about the new policy rather than just a line (user-store) [12:37:45] hi, guys. i've got some problem with account on different wikipedia sites. on Ukrainian Wikipedia I have login PostFactum, and it works well, but I cannot login with it in Russian Wikipedia. On Russian Wikipedia I've registered login PostFactumRU, and it works in Russian as well as in Ukrainian Wikipedia. I want to make Ukrainian Wikipedia login PostFactum available in Russian Wikipedia and to delete PostFactumRU login. Is that p [12:50:23] post-factum, there's a SUL account named PostFactum [12:50:25] is that yours? [12:50:37] what SUL means? [12:50:55] Single Unified Login [12:51:06] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/SUL [12:51:16] well, yes, but it doesn't work for russian wiki [12:51:29] so, you have an account in ltwiki? [12:52:01] in fact it works only on Ukrainian wiki [12:52:13] i registered PostFactum on uk.wikipedia.org [12:52:20] there's another user which has PostFactum as username [12:52:39] he has "taken" the username [12:52:42] so it's impossible to have one login for all wikipedias? [12:52:44] that's why you can't use it in ru [12:52:56] no, it's not impossible [12:53:09] but in this case, you'd need to change your name [12:53:24] hmm… [12:53:38] he created PostFactum in ltwiki on 6 February 2007 [12:53:52] then in 24 June 2008 you created yours in ukwiki [12:54:01] at that point the software didn't prevent those things [12:54:07] should I open settings in Ukrainian wiki and change PostFactum to smth else? [12:54:24] then when user login unification came, the username was assigned to the other [12:54:33] so you were left with the username you had [12:54:49] yes, I'd recommend you to request a rename at ukwiki to something else [12:55:02] and new login will work on any wikipedia site? [12:55:06] it could be as simple as "Post-Factum" [12:55:14] yes, it should work [12:55:25] thanks, I'l' give it try right now [12:55:29] *I'll [12:55:37] note that you should also request a rename on ruwiki of PostFactumRU to that new login [12:55:59] so another one doesn't get created there with that login [12:57:16] where I may change login? don't see such an option [12:57:58] there's only message that encourages me to use unified login, but password does not match :( [12:58:31] you'll need to request that to a bureaucrat [12:59:38] on ukwiki the request page seems to be http://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/?????????:??????????????_???????????? [13:00:12] see "?" only in URL [13:00:29] http://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D1%96%D0%BA%D1%96%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D1%96%D1%8F%3A%D0%9F%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B9%D0%BC%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%83%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BD%D1%8F_%D0%BA%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D1%83%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%87%D1%96%D0%B2 [13:01:49] what a hard-to-do procedure… will try, thanks a lot for info [13:02:19] you're welcome [14:22:03] mutante: do you know if in the current planet it's really necessary to suppress non-ANSI characters? see "Erik Moeller" in "Subscriptions" [14:26:13] :/ again 02:01 logmsgbot: LocalisationUpdate failed: git pull of extensions failed [14:26:26] does Roan need to fix this again? [14:27:11] No [14:27:18] Doesn't need to be Roan [14:27:22] I fixed it friday evening [14:27:29] :) [14:27:42] It's due to the gitweb extension repo having no master [14:27:47] so we get shit like [14:27:48] fatal: Needed a single revision [14:27:48] Unable to find current revision in submodule path 'Gitweb' [14:28:11] orly, gitweb giving problems [14:29:34] well, no [14:29:41] it's an extension written by Jeroen [14:30:03] <^demon> Called gitweb. [14:30:06] <^demon> Aren't names fun? [14:30:07] <^demon> :) [14:33:53] ah, yes, I remind being a bit puzzled by it [14:35:26] hmpf, so we're now officially abandoning bugzilla for site configs https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/19399/ [14:36:10] Nemo_bis: I don't see a reason to open a tracking bug for that [14:36:21] bugzilla is NO log [14:36:39] it's just confusing to have things split [14:36:50] but it was bound to happen [14:37:11] Nemo_bis: I can guess, but really, I don't see reason [14:37:28] If it's required I can open a tracking one [14:37:43] but AFAIK there's no policy to go though bugzilla [14:38:03] of course there isn't, git is a new thing [14:38:21] but yes, you should file a bug and I was reassured this was going to happen [14:38:24] <^demon> Reedy: On this subject of gitweb--the upstream guy who's doing GitBlit integration plans to have his plugin ready by the end of the week. [14:38:36] because we need a central place to list "shell requests" [14:38:42] <^demon> And is now asking if anyone wants history graph thingies like you see on github. [14:41:18] Nemo_bis: I'm going to do a tracking bug later [14:41:38] but I think there should be another way, bugzilla isn't perfect for getting change histories and stuff [14:44:03] csteipp: Hmm, I learn something new every day :) [14:44:55] csteipp: On that subject, have we started requiring a password to change password? [15:12:45] Jarry1250: that's a newish core change... [15:12:49] Not sure when it actually came in though [15:14:49] Reedy: But it's merged and live? gdgd [15:15:16] yeah, I believe so [15:15:58] Cool. Otherwise https logins would be a little pointless if I understand csteipp correctly. [15:16:54] guillom: the wikitech link on https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tech/Ambassadors is wrong because of the recent archive brokeness [15:18:58] Nemo_bis: I didn't know about the archive brokenness; what happened? [15:20:23] Did we irrevocably break all mailing list archive links (again)? [15:40:21] !log LocalisationUpdate completed (1.20wmf9) at Wed Aug 15 15:40:21 UTC 2012 [15:40:31] Logged the message, Master [16:06:26] !log LocalisationUpdate completed (1.20wmf8) at Wed Aug 15 16:06:26 UTC 2012 [16:06:35] Logged the message, Master [16:26:12] Reminder: i18n office hours in 5 minutes in #wikimedia-office [16:37:29] Tim-away: I found 1,500 instances where the relinker script didn't do its job [16:37:42] Can I run the purge script on these? [17:05:46] Dispenser: relinker? [18:44:34] Since does running sync-wikiversions take an age? :/ [18:44:36] !log reedy rebuilt wikiversions.cdb and synchronized wikiversions files: Remaining wikis over to 1.20wmf9 [18:44:41] Oh [18:44:42] srv194: Write failed: Broken pipe [18:44:42] Finished [18:44:44] Logged the message, Master [18:45:27] notpeter: ----^^ [18:46:53] Reedy: RoanKattouw working on it currently :) [18:47:04] although tim was talking about this in another channel [18:47:17] The fix is easy: mash enter a few times ;) [18:47:36] we should probably have some better method of marking what's down for what reasons. or ops (me) should get better about taking out of dsh group [19:13:46] Hmm, I'm starting to get people complaining that the "edit bar" on top of the edition windows disappeared, on both monobook and vector [19:13:56] for the french wikipedia [19:14:10] checking other wikis... [19:14:20] That sounds related to the wiki migration I did half an hour ago [19:14:35] did it inlucde our wiki ? [19:14:37] Replicated [19:14:43] Yes, it was the rest of the wikipedias [19:14:55] mw.loader::execute> Exception thrown by ext.gadget.BoutonPlus: Object #