[00:57:47] Hi AryehGregor. [02:22:33] !log LocalisationUpdate completed (1.20wmf7) at Mon Jul 23 02:22:33 UTC 2012 [02:22:45] !log LocalisationUpdate completed (1.20wmf6) at Mon Jul 23 02:22:45 UTC 2012 [02:22:47] Logged the message, Master [02:22:55] Logged the message, Master [02:27:50] TimStarling: did you see those WikiPage commits? [02:29:08] I'm looking at the now [02:29:15] is this about that duplicate edit bug? [03:27:07] TimStarling: yeah [03:30:07] merged [03:38:21] thanks [06:05:36] Hi, on the English Wikipedia at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chief_security_officer, I see an outdated announcement in German that refers to some deadline on June the 30th. [06:38:12] hendrik: announcement where? I don't see anything on the article or article history [06:39:24] apergos: thanks for your blog post :) do you know why http://en.planet.wikimedia.org/ refuses to give proper links to it? [06:41:19] hmm to complex for me [06:42:00] apergos: do you know IA folks seem to use https://gist.github.com/764224 ? [06:42:12] * Nemo_bis has no idea whether there's something useful there [10:06:37] sigh the only section in "serious alternatives" is still GitHub https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/Gerrit_evaluation [10:06:54] that's where wm-bot lives :P [10:06:58] @help [10:06:58] Type @commands for list of commands. This bot is running http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WM-Bot version wikimedia bot v. 1.8.2.4 source code licensed under GPL and located at https://github.com/benapetr/wikimedia-bot [10:07:32] I wanted to put it in wikimedia repository but creating new repo is harder than I thought [10:07:54] on github it's matter of 20 sec [12:23:55] !log reedy synchronized wmf-config/ [12:24:05] Logged the message, Master [12:25:55] !log Created trwikiquote flagged revs tables [12:26:05] Logged the message, Master [12:26:26] !log reedy synchronized wmf-config/flaggedrevs.php [12:26:34] Logged the message, Master [12:26:50] !log reedy synchronized flaggedrevs.dblist [12:26:58] Logged the message, Master [15:06:38] !log reedy synchronized php-1.20wmf8/ 'Initial sync out of 1.20wmf8' [15:06:46] Logged the message, Master [15:10:25] !log reedy synchronized php-1.20wmf8/cache/ [15:10:33] Logged the message, Master [15:19:35] !log reedy rebuilt wikiversions.cdb and synchronized wikiversions files: chwikimedia to 1.20wmf7 [15:19:44] Logged the message, Master [15:21:11] !log reedy rebuilt wikiversions.cdb and synchronized wikiversions files: rm chwikimedia we dont host it [15:21:19] Logged the message, Master [15:23:29] !log reedy Started syncing Wikimedia installation... : test2wiki to 1.20wmf8 and rebuild localisation cache [15:23:37] Logged the message, Master [15:30:12] Hypothetically, if you were to take 5-10 research databases that donated access to their services to select Wikipedians, and you wanted to locate those sources behind a single (firewalled) access point with only one login, what might be the basic technical specifications to do so? [15:36:00] Ocaasi: It's not something that's currently done.. [15:36:20] So there isn't really any precedence for doing it [15:36:23] Reedy: you mean it'd be completely novel? [15:36:45] Depends by what you define "one login" [15:36:48] How it wants to be accessed [15:37:57] Reedy: I imagine a page, www.singleaccess.com that a selected group of editors would have access to. Behind that point, any of several research databases would be accessible. This would be instead of each editor having a different 'key' to each different resource. One key for each editor would get them through the gate behind which several 'houses' would be open. [15:39:26] You've got a full frontend or similar to write for that then [15:39:46] Or using phpmyadmin (bleugh) and provisioned rights for each user [15:41:04] So if you were going to design this front end, what would be the three main steps to implementing it? I'm really just searching for basics, so I can draft a proposal. [15:42:20] !log reedy Finished syncing Wikimedia installation... : test2wiki to 1.20wmf8 and rebuild localisation cache [15:42:29] Logged the message, Master [15:43:15] what about trying to exploit that new OAuth thing? [15:43:36] I'm not even sure it was finally deployed [15:44:14] Platonides: hi, was that message to me? [15:44:14] !log reedy Started syncing Wikimedia installation... : 1.20wmf8 messages [15:44:22] Logged the message, Master [15:47:23] Ocaasi, yes [15:51:03] Platonides: can you go into a little more detail? [15:52:52] Platonides: for example, why would one use OAuth over OpenID? [15:53:38] They're not exactly comparable [15:53:42] http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3376141/openid-vs-oauth etc [15:54:39] !log reedy Started syncing Wikimedia installation... : 1.20wmf8 messages [15:54:46] Logged the message, Master [15:55:29] I love the open source spirit, but wouldn't we want a closed ID/Auth system since the point would be to limit access to selected users? [15:56:00] Or could you use one of those systems with preapproved passwords determined by a central manager? [16:22:14] !log reedy Finished syncing Wikimedia installation... : 1.20wmf8 messages [16:22:22] Logged the message, Master [16:23:37] !log running ddsh -cM -g mediawiki-installation -o -oSetupTimeout=30 -F30 -- "sudo -u mwdeploy rm -rf /usr/local/apache/common/php-1.20wmf4" [16:23:45] Logged the message, Master [16:26:48] !log running ddsh -cM -g mediawiki-installation -o -oSetupTimeout=30 -F30 -- "sudo -u mwdeploy rm -rf /usr/local/apache/common/php-1.20wmf5" [16:26:56] Logged the message, Master [16:36:05] heyho, i notice a suspiciously high amount of accesses to the undefined pages of all wikimedia projects for the last at least 2-3 weeks... just as an example, today 15:00-16:00 utc there were 44716 accesses to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/undefined (that's more than 1/10th of the Main_Page with 354000 views!) [16:36:28] anyone here with the power to investigate? [16:42:47] try #wikimedia-operations jorn [16:42:56] (I would look but I've signed off for the day) [16:43:17] people there will know to poke at the logs, maybe look at live traffic a little if it's still going on [17:15:10] morning [17:25:17] http://test2.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Version <- funny ol' Reedy :) [17:26:17] hm? [17:27:06] I don't see anything obvious either [18:03:19] paravoid: Platonides: the upgrade wasn't supposed to happen until nowish. Speaking of nowish and upgrading, is it time for mediawiki.org? [18:03:24] Reedy ^ [18:04:01] robla: I always do one ahead, otherwise we've not got message cache [18:04:09] and hence we spend an hour sitting and waiting for scap [18:04:27] yeah, fair enough. we should probably just actually update our regular schedule to reflect that [18:04:38] That seems sensible [18:05:25] !log reedy rebuilt wikiversions.cdb and synchronized wikiversions files: testwiki and mediawikiwiki to 1.20wmf8 [18:05:33] Logged the message, Master [18:07:01] ah robla, I had seen Reedy doing it earlier [18:07:11] thus it was expected :) [18:08:10] all seems quiet on the error log front [18:12:06] Reedy: was the "misc" section of preferences removed in master, or is it just a TWN thing? [18:14:47] Nemo_bis: not that I know of.. [18:15:02] it'd be nice if Special:Version linked to the appropriate version page on mediawiki.org [18:15:55] Reedy: thanks; is testwiki or test2wiki still used? what code do they run? [18:15:58] You mean for MediaWiki 1.20wmf8 (516092b) [18:16:09] Both, running git master as of a few hours ago [18:16:39] Annoying: Warning: Division by zero in /usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.20wmf8/extensions/ParserFunctions/Expr.php on line 423 [18:17:39] Reedy: yeah, the first part. It's also good that we have a means of knowing the exact version, but for most people, the release notes are going to be *way* more useful than a link to gitweb [18:30:16] I suppose we can just literally link it to the mw.org release notes page [18:30:26] and make sure redirects/pages exist as necessary [18:31:26] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.20wmf8 [18:31:43] redirect to/transclude MediaWiki 1.20/wmf8 [18:31:51] the release notes should be there for the other major versons.. [18:36:26] robla: any real preference? [18:37:08] that works for me [18:37:22] redirect [18:38:05] (if we transclude, we'll have two different talk pages and more confusing history) [18:39:06] I'll do it in a few minutes [20:12:35] !log reedy synchronized php-1.20wmf8/includes/specials/SpecialUserlogin.php [20:12:44] Logged the message, Master [20:13:54] !log reedy synchronized php-1.20wmf7/includes/specials/SpecialUserlogin.php [20:14:02] Logged the message, Master [20:20:42] hashar: So on the labs beta server, there are 2 sets of config files... the regular ones, which appear to be identical to the ones on the real cluster, and a new set that ends in '-wmflabs.php'. It appears that the sites are using the later. [20:21:43] Would it be OK if I copy the bulk of the regular cluster config into those -wmflabs.php versions? And is there a reason we want to keep 2 versions? [20:22:08] kaldari: they are conditionally required/included i think [20:23:22] What's the condition? [20:23:54] $cluster apparently [20:25:15] kaldari: try `git grep -C6 -e wmflabs -e '$cluster\b' wmf-config` [20:27:39] I imagine some of the include paths and things are different [20:28:15] but I just wanted to make sure no one would care if I copy over the bulk of the configuration [20:28:46] like is there a performance reason (or some other reason) we can't run most of the extensions on the labs beta servers? [20:29:09] idk. we should be running many already [20:29:15] where are you looking? [20:30:58] looks like it's running some of them [20:32:01] Very generically, more extensions should be slower [20:32:12] But most won't be used on most page requests etc [20:33:45] Actually, it doesn't seem like the beta servers are reflecting either set of config files :P [20:34:15] hah [20:34:30] which var specifically are you testing and how? [20:34:41] PageTriage extension [20:35:13] He's manually loading byte code into each php process as it runs [20:36:19] huh. so beta don't work if hashar's afk? ;) [20:36:27] Ryan_Lane: Do you know anything about how the beta sites are configured? They don't seem to accurately reflect the config files at deployment-dbdump:/home/wikipedia/common/wmf-config. [20:36:48] kaldari: you should be using /usr/local... [20:36:50] * jeremyb looks [20:37:47] oh, it's a symlink [20:39:21] guess I'll have to email hashar [20:39:24] i have no idea [20:40:34] kaldari: include petan and maybe john and me too. (idk if he's still active in deployment?) [20:40:52] yes [20:40:55] I am XD [20:41:02] petan: i meant john [20:41:05] ah [20:41:06] ok [20:41:09] is he? [20:41:14] dunno [20:41:40] what John are you referring to? [20:42:33] petan: what's your email? [20:42:37] petan's email is benapetr@gmail.com btw [20:42:44] kaldari: /msg [20:42:59] thanks! [20:44:09] gotta run [20:52:58] those files are for changes from the normal config, not for duplicating what was already loaded... [20:55:03] right [20:55:06] i thought so [20:55:53] hey preilly, I think we should use this serialisation format for our XMPP [20:55:54] http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0295.html [20:58:18] werdna: let me know when you're passing through [20:58:27] passing through NYC? [20:58:30] yah [20:58:35] shall do [21:12:57] [[Tech]]; 68.173.113.106; /* Special:WantedPages on Uncyc outdated */ ; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=3950626&oldid=3933857&rcid=3409594 [21:20:58] [[Tech]]; Werdna; /* tables: wrong processing width= */ ; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=3950658&oldid=3950626&rcid=3409602 [21:22:30] werdna: serios work on XMPP coming? [21:22:42] Nemo_bis: for notifications right now [21:22:44] it's a prototype [21:22:53] ah, that thing; good [21:23:41] and threads I moved from a dead beta wmflabs page are even receiving answers now, amazing [22:21:30] binasher: you know 256 tables fits on one phpmyadmin page quite well ;) [22:21:46] * AaronSchulz is surpised [22:21:51] hah [22:22:48] I can easily find the one I inserted some stuff to [22:23:33] since the other 255 are empty :) [23:11:56] !log Started originals migrations for remaining wikis [23:12:04] Logged the message, Master [23:57:45] private wikis do not have rc channels, right? how about semiprivate?