[00:00:10] <LeslieCarr>	 ok, checking out the load balancer...
[00:00:21] <MrOmNom>	 well, probably browser dependent I gess. Opera shows the page without CSS until IPv4 fallback
[00:00:55] <MrOmNom>	 connection to :b working too
[00:08:05] <LeslieCarr>	 MrOmNom: can you try doing a refresh of a page ?
[00:10:12] <MrOmNom>	 alright, a refresh doesn't hit :a again because it's still smart enough, but I moved to a different browser and did the load again (same problem, :1, :b works, can't get to :a)
[00:10:39] <LeslieCarr>	 yeah, i see that… weird, lots of syn packets
[00:13:13] <LeslieCarr>	 i'm checking out all of the backend hosts for bits now
[00:15:56] <MrOmNom>	 I just noticed the same problem on youtube (some hosts in a subnet respond, others don't)... so it must not be a problem with wikipedia. Either local issue or Comcast issue.
[00:17:06] <LeslieCarr>	 that's so strange though ...
[00:21:48] <MrOmNom>	 thanks for looking in to it though, I appreciate it
[00:21:54] <LeslieCarr>	 no problem
[00:22:05] <LeslieCarr>	 if you find out what the issue was soon, pop in and let me know :)  very curious
[00:23:50] <MrOmNom>	 word
[01:05:08] <ori-l>	 binasher: got a minute to talk about varnish?
[01:05:52] <binasher>	 ori-l: not right now, helping ryan with some labs db stuff 
[01:06:06] <ori-l>	 binasher: k, np
[01:46:32] <RuyP>	 Hi guys. Does anybody know it is possible to rename an account having more than 50,000 edits?
[01:48:52] <TimStarling>	 sometimes it works
[01:49:05] <TimStarling>	 it shouldn't be encouraged
[01:49:38] <TimStarling>	 White Cat does it about once a month, I think his edits are scattered over 2 or 3 usernames now
[01:50:01] <TimStarling>	 ok maybe that's a slight exaggeration
[01:50:08] <TimStarling>	 maybe once a year
[01:50:11] <RuyP>	 An user needs to change his username due to privacy issues
[01:50:49] <RuyP>	 (right to vanish)
[01:51:58] <TimStarling>	 feel free to try it
[01:52:18] <RuyP>	 Only devs can do that, right?
[01:54:53] <TimStarling>	 no, I think anyone can
[01:55:26] <TimStarling>	 there used to be a low limit, but that was removed years ago I think
[01:55:42] <TimStarling>	 for a while the limit was 200k, but eventually that was removed too
[01:55:50] <RuyP>	 humm
[01:56:08] <RuyP>	 so, could i do that locally as a crat?
[01:56:29] <TimStarling>	 yes
[01:57:08] <TimStarling>	 it will send a lot of jobs to the job queue, the name you see in article histories will change as the job queue catches up with them
[01:57:26] <TimStarling>	 it may take a while
[01:59:00] <RuyP>	 ok, so i will try this
[01:59:07] <RuyP>	 thanks, tim
[01:59:47] <TimStarling>	 yw
[02:23:27] <logmsgbot>	 !log LocalisationUpdate completed (1.20wmf7) at Thu Jul 19 02:23:27 UTC 2012
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[03:58:53] <Brooke>	 James_F: Is there an updated demo of VisualEditor somewhere? Are you all still looking for bugs?
[03:59:16] <James_F>	 Brooke: No, not until Monday's deploy-train. Yes.
[03:59:26] <James_F>	 Brooke: In git, I guess is my smart-arse answer. :-)
[03:59:47] <Brooke>	 Heh.
[04:00:01] <Brooke>	 I don't think I've checked out any code from Wikimedia's git repo yet.
[04:00:16] <Brooke>	 VE can't just be installed as an extension, can it?
[04:00:22] <James_F>	 No, it can.
[04:00:27] <James_F>	 It is on my local dev instance.
[04:00:32] <Brooke>	 Oh, hmm.
[04:00:35] <Brooke>	 Maybe I'll install it, then.
[04:00:36] <James_F>	 You'll need to point it at a Parsoid instance, though.
[04:00:42] <Brooke>	 I thought it had a Parsoid dependency or something.
[04:00:44] <Brooke>	 Ah.
[04:00:51] <Brooke>	 So it'll pass all my data to some foreign host?
[04:00:58] <James_F>	 Unless you want to run nodeJS, yes.
[04:01:09] <James_F>	 No issue at using wmflabs.org if you're OK with it.
[04:01:17] <James_F>	 It's only for testing. :-)
[04:01:38] <Brooke>	 You mean it's already on labs or I could set it up there?
[04:01:52] <Brooke>	 I figured there'd be a visualeditor.wmflabs.org or something.
[04:02:24] <James_F>	 Parsoid's already on labs.
[04:02:28] <James_F>	 That's what my dev box uses.
[04:02:33] * James_F  hunts for the config line.

[04:02:40] <Brooke>	 http://wmflabs.org/ is still broken?
[04:03:21] <Brooke>	 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=36885
[04:04:21] <Brooke>	 I fell down the Labs rabbit hole again.
[04:05:00] <Brooke>	 I was reading Mozilla's commit access process today. Wikimedia's procedure has a long way to go before it's as awful as Mozilla's. ;-)
[04:05:06] <Brooke>	 Requires signed paperwork and such.
[04:05:15] <Brooke>	 And about ten steps.
[04:05:37] <James_F>	 Brooke: Are you asking for it to be more bureaucratic?
[04:06:12] <Brooke>	 James_F: I'm the one filing the bugs to remove the required human intervention for things like account creation. ;-)
[04:06:20] * James_F  grins.

[04:06:20] <Brooke>	 I find the current system very walled garden-y.
[10:02:47] <Jens_WMDE>	 hello!
[10:03:13] <Jens_WMDE>	 i need the rights to push tags to a git repo. halp? ^^ 
[10:51:27] <hashar>	 Jens_WMDE: ^demon would be able to do so. He should be connected "soon" if he is working today
[13:10:27] <Reedy>	 !log Deleted php-1.20wmf6/cache/l10n from mediawiki-installation
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[13:12:55] <Reedy>	 !log Pointed /h/w/c/php to php-1.20wmf7
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[13:36:43] <hashar>	 grmrmblbl
[13:36:49] <hashar>	 java loooves long paths
[13:37:05] <hashar>	 cd hooks-jira/src/main/java/com/googlesource/gerrit/plugins/hooks/jira/
[13:38:33] <DaBPunkt>	 that's nom
[13:38:35] <DaBPunkt>	 that's normal
[13:38:37] <Damianz>	 I'm sure you can be working on java.com.googlesource.gerrit.plugins.org.wikimedia.users.hashar.plugins.src soon
[13:39:03] <hashar>	 ;-D
[13:43:21] <paravoid>	 hate gerrit hate hate
[13:46:50] <gerrit-helper>	 paravoid: hello Faidon. How can I help you today?
[13:46:57] <paravoid>	 hahaha
[14:18:03] <logmsgbot>	 !log reedy synchronized wmf-config/ 
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[14:53:32] <matanya>	 anyone from features team around?
[15:32:23] <hashar>	 matanya: probably not yet
[15:32:36] <hashar>	 matanya: I guess they are mostly in SF where it is 6:30am right now
[15:32:42] <hashar>	 or is it 8:30 am
[15:32:49] <hashar>	 well not in office yet ;-]
[17:01:36] <AaronSchulz>	 !log Running copyFileBackend.php for commons (shards c-f)
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[18:52:09] <logmsgbot>	 !log preilly synchronized wmf-config/mobile.php  'fix subdomain check'
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[18:52:28] <preilly>	 !log fixing subdomain check for zero vs m
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[20:21:43] <kaldari>	 when I try to run git branch --track wmf/1.20wmf7 origin/wmf/1.20wmf7, I get the error 'fatal: Not a valid object name: 'origin/wmf/1.20wmf7'.'
[20:22:40] <kaldari>	 which has never happened before
[20:25:47] <kaldari>	 did a git fetch and now it works
[20:25:50] <kaldari>	 weird
[20:29:07] <RoanKattouw>	 Most likely your local repo didn't know about wmf7 yet
[20:31:58] <kaldari>	 ah
[21:02:05] <ori-l>	 RoanKattouw: brt
[21:33:05] <kaldari>	 running scap now
[21:36:26] <logmsgbot>	 !log catrope synchronized php-1.20wmf7/extensions/LastModified  'Remove E3Experiments cruft from LastModified'
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[21:39:40] <logmsgbot>	 !log kaldari Started syncing Wikimedia installation... : 
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[22:10:14] <logmsgbot>	 !log catrope Started syncing Wikimedia installation... : 
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[22:45:04] <DaBPunkt>	 gn8 folks
[22:48:47] <logmsgbot>	 !log catrope Finished syncing Wikimedia installation... : 
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[23:34:33] <DavidJurgens>	 Hi, I'm a researcher and I have a question about the wikimedia servers (specifically the servers running the en wikipedia).  Is this the right channel to ask in?
[23:34:49] <hoo>	 DavidJurgens: Yes
[23:36:53] <DavidJurgens>	 We're working on a research project that looks at how people gather information to make decisions.  Given that wikipedia is a great source of information, we've been looking at page-views as a proxy for how interested people are by topic.  Would it be possible to get the page views broken down by geographic region?
[23:38:06] <DavidJurgens>	 I don't think any geographic information (or IP addresses for doing a location lookup), so i wasn't sure if this data was retained at all, let along publically available
[23:38:36] <hoo>	 not on a per page basis, but for all WMF hosted sites http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportPageViewsPerCountryOverview.htm
[23:38:58] <hoo>	 DavidJurgens: On http://stats.wikimedia.org/ You can find a lot of data
[23:39:30] <DavidJurgens>	 Is it possible to obtain it on a per-page basis?  The choice in which page matters quite a bit for our research
[23:42:09] <hoo>	 DavidJurgens: I'm not system administrator, but with the current infrastructure, that wouldn't be possible easily
[23:42:17] <DavidJurgens>	 For example, I can get access to the per-page access lots here http://dumps.wikimedia.org/other/pagecounts-raw/
[23:42:29] <hoo>	 yes, these are public
[23:42:36] <DavidJurgens>	 which is a fantastic resource.  However, we'd love to see if we can get those on a localized level
[23:43:50] <DavidJurgens>	 I realize it's not a trivial task at all, but I wasn't sure who specifically I could talk to about eventually getting access
[23:44:32] <DavidJurgens>	 especially since I realize there are privacy concerns with the data and I would want to fully explain what we do with it to ensure it meets the Wikimedia foundation's standards
[23:45:01] <hoo>	 DavidJurgens: See https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Contact_us
[23:45:05] <hoo>	 I have to leave, good night ;9
[23:46:09] <DavidJurgens>	 thank you for your help!
[23:46:32] <DavidJurgens>	 Does anyone have a suggestion for which address is best to email with research-based questions?
[23:47:02] <TimStarling>	 hang on
[23:48:50] <TimStarling>	 maybe Erik Zachte (ezachte@...) would be a good place to start
[23:49:40] <DavidJurgens>	 TimStarling: Thanks!  What is the domain for that email address?
[23:49:47] <TimStarling>	 wikimedia.org
[23:50:10] <DavidJurgens>	 okay great!  I'll send him an email first.  Thanks for helping me figure out who to talk with.  There are so many options :)